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The Most Powerful Army That You've Never Heard Of

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  1. scythian500

    scythian500 SENIOR MEMBER

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    Regarding BIGGER ECONOMY, UAE is an economy almost one third of Iranian economy.

    GDP (PPP) Purchasing Power Parity) is the correct measurement for the volume of wealth and economy created in one country or unit in a year. This is the most respected way to measure economies as Exchange rates can be fluctuated Suddenly in FX market. This is why all 21th century economists rank countries on this basis. for example in 2011 and early 2012 the exchange rate for USD in Iran was 1 USD = 10000 IRR while in only 3 months this exchange rate increased to an unbelievable rate of 1 USD = 35000 IRR and today in 2014 it is around 32500 IRR... This is exaclty why no body measures economies by exchnage rate basis anymore. and this makes sense as no PRODUCTS or SERVICES disapread from Iran in those 3 months... on this basis Iranian economy is 1244 Billion Dollars while UAE is 570 Billions.. It is still pretty high for a country of UAE size and population but Iranian economy is not small either. Iran is 18th biggest economy in world , Turkey 17th and UAE 32th or 33th.. ... It is also worth mentioning that Iranian Per Capital GDP is $16165 which is high when comparing all countries. Despite all the 35 years long SANCTIONS... despite 8 years of devastating war with Iraq and despite all turbulence... Iranian economy is in good place today... in terms of HDI or Human Development Index that ranks the well-being of a country when all important factors like Education, economy, salaries, political and social freedom, level of democracy, free media and all taken into account, Iran is considered an HIGH (upper half) Developed country. In terms of Science and Technology Iran has been No.1 in growth rate since 1990 in all around the world... I started as 65th most developed science and technologically and now it ranks 17th overall... this rank is also even better in some high tech sciences like NANO Tech which Iran is 8th best country and experts predict being among top 3 in 5 years from now.

    and unlike most Arab crude oil exporters Iranian economy is pretty diverse. Dollars made from DIRECT OIL EXPORTS in Iran is less than %10 of Iranian GDP in normal conditions and that reduced to %5 of current Iranian GDP after tightening oil sanctions. It has bigger share in government current disposal budget but not that big (around %40)... for example Iranian automobile industry alone has bigger share than OIL EXPORTS sector in Iranian GDP..

    So, despite my VERY VERY much proud of what is UAE now and what she has done in last 40 years of its establishment, I think comparing two wholly different size countries with different economies, different military tactics and different foreign policies is NOT A RIGHT ACTION... UAE is a very well developed nation today although I and many people around the world has some criticism for their treatment toward foreign labor force that comprises the majority of work force.. you know what I mean.. Emirati citizens are sometimes 10 times better paid for the same job than other foreign workers... and while most of UAE population are Foreign workers from India, Pakistan and other Non- GCC countries.. to my eyes..UAE will be a better developed and better example if they learn to fix this problems...other than this.. they are to my eyes of the most successful Arab nations...

    Military strength is not only based on capable air force..if it was so , no country would ever CREATE navy, ground forces, strategic missile forces and ect... It is important in possible wars but not enough... Today there are many counter-mass Technics for aircraft of category of F-16 or Mirages... Instead of all these fighter deals I guess UAE would benefit more from a unique air defense system... As I see no possibility of UAE committing offensives toward other nations...

    Anyway, I see Iranian threat as all a made up issue by West and Isreal so they can aim their good interests... Israel will be much more in peace if he can make Middle eastern Muslim countries busy with their-selves...

    PS: I respect UAE nation and each and every GCC citizen... they are pretty nice people.. Salute to UAE
     
  2. scythian500

    scythian500 SENIOR MEMBER

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    you mention a very sacred SAYING as your moto down your posts... Please be my kind and nice and polite brother as you should and let others learn from your manner.. This stone age manners from both sides are not appreciated...not by Allah...not by people... Thanks my kind friend
     
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    scythian500 SENIOR MEMBER

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    استغفر الله ربی العظیم من همزات الشیاطین
     
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    scythian500 SENIOR MEMBER

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    please stop this non sense arguments with Arab friends... I expect better of you and KSA guys... for God sake.. look at yourself...
     
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    scythian500 SENIOR MEMBER

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    Although I,m not %100 agreed on your first paragraph as booming or growth is not just petro dollars or high rise buildings that NY and HK has much more in them... The growth and developed status would only go to nations with highly advanced industry and related services...others might become Developed but not Advanced Country... One advanced country can sustain a relative level of sophistication even if they cut out of OIL EXPORTS for example ... Despite this, I totally agree with your other points.. although, I have a personal philosophy that a happy and successful nation should not necessarily have a Western Style Democracy... every nation has different culture and insights... This leads different nations be happier or more successful with their own tailored approach of political system. Many say, 21th cent is Democracy Century... but I have different idea.. I think there will be more different countries in world not so similar to western style democracy in 2050... for example, China, KSA, IRAN, RUSSIA are relatively tailored systems, although a few changes should be applied to these systems... Statistics shows better management and more satisfaction in more democrat nations but there are always a few exception that KSA is one of them...
    Long Live to Saudi Arabian and other Muslim brothers...whatever their governmental system is or will be...
     
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    oye puttar---tu gal keeti aay kay wit mari aiy---.

    If you don't have anything nice to say---then don't say it.

    UAE are an independent nation----they have a right to chose their alliances as they seem fit.
     
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    Why Arabs Lose Wars

    Arabic-speaking armies have been generally ineffective in the modern era. 1- Egyptian regular forces did poorly against Yemeni irregulars in the 1960s. 2- Syrians could only impose their will in Lebanon during the mid-1970s by the use of overwhelming weaponry and numbers. 3- Iraqis showed ineptness and weakness against an Iranian military ripped apart by revolutionary turmoil in the 1980s while out numbered in equipment and weapons in a rate of 5 to 1 in the beginning of the war and could not win a three-decades-long war against the Kurds. 4- The Arab military performance on both sides of the 1990 Kuwait war was mediocre. 5- And the Arabs have done poorly in nearly all the military confrontations with Israel. Why this unimpressive record? There are many factors—economic, ideological, technical—but perhaps the most important has to do with culture and certain societal attributes which inhibit Arabs from producing an effective military force.

    At lot has been written lately about why Arab armies so consistently lose wars with non-Arabs. These reasons also explain why Arab nations, and many other Third World nations as well, also have trouble establishing democratic governments or prosperous economies. A lot of it has to do with culture. Some of the reasons for these failures are;
    • Most Arab countries are a patchwork of different tribes and groups, and Arab leaders survive by playing one group off against another. Loyalty is to one's group, not the nation. Most countries are dominated by a single group that is usually a minority (Bedouins in Jordan, Alawites in Syria, Sunnis in Iraq, Nejdis in Saudi Arabia). All of which means that officers are assigned not by merit but by loyalty and tribal affiliation.
    • Islamic schools favor rote memorization, especially of scripture. This has resulted in looking down on Western troops that will look something up that they don't know. Arabs prefer to fake it, and pretend it's all in their head. Improvisation and innovation is generally discouraged. Arab armies go by the book, Western armies rewrite the book and thus usually win.
    • There is no real NCO corps. Officers and enlisted troops are treated like two different social castes and there is no effort to bridge the gap using career NCOs. Enlisted personnel are treated harshly. Training accidents that would end the careers of US officers are commonplace in Arab armies, and nobody cares.
    • Officers are despised by their troops, and this does not bother the officers much it all. Many Arab officers simply cannot understand how treating the troops decently will make them better soldiers.
    • Paranoia prevents adequate training. Arab tyrants insist that their military units have little contact with each other, thus insuring that no general can became powerful enough to overthrow them. Units are purposely kept from working together or training on a large scale. Arab generals don't have as broad a knowledge of their armed forces as do their Western counterparts. Promotions are based more on political reliability than combat proficiency. Arab leaders prefer to be feared, rather than respected, by their soldiers. This approach leads to poorly trained armies and low morale. A few rousing speeches about "Moslem brotherhood" before a war starts does little to repair the damage.
    • Arab officers often do not trust each other. While an American infantry officer can be reasonably confident that the artillery officers will conduct their bombardment on time and on target, Arab infantry officers seriously doubt that their artillery will do its job on time or on target. This is a fatal attitude in combat.
    • Arab military leaders consider it acceptable to lie to subordinates and allies in order to further their personal agenda. This had catastrophic consequences during all of the Arab-Israeli wars and continues to make peace difficult between Israelis and Palestinians. When called out on this behavior, Arabs will assert that they were "misunderstood."
    • While American officers and NCOs are only too happy to impart their wisdom and skill to others (teaching is the ultimate expression of prestige), Arab officers try to keep any technical information and manuals secret. To Arabs, the value and prestige of an individual is based not on what he can teach, but on what he knows that no one else knows.
    • While American officers thrive on competition among themselves, Arab officers avoid this as the loser would be humiliated. Better for everyone to fail together than for competition to be allowed, even if it eventually benefits everyone.
    • Americans are taught leadership and technology; Arab officers are taught only technology. Leadership is given little attention as officers are assumed to know this by virtue of their social status as officers.
    • Initiative is considered a dangerous trait. So subordinates prefer to fail rather than make an independent decision. Battles are micromanaged by senior generals, who prefer to suffer defeat rather than lose control of their subordinates. Even worse, an Arab officer will not tell a US ally why he cannot make the decision (or even that he cannot make it), leaving US officers angry and frustrated because the Arabs won't make a decision. The Arab officers simply will not admit that they do not have that authority.
    • Lack of initiative makes it difficult for Arab armies to maintain modern weapons. Complex modern weapons require on the spot maintenance, and that means delegating authority, information, and tools. Arab armies avoid doing this and prefer to use easier to control central repair shops. This makes the timely maintenance of weapons difficult.
    • Security is maniacal. Everything even vaguely military is top secret. While US Army promotion lists are routinely published, this rarely happens in Arab armies. Officers are suddenly transferred without warning to keep them from forging alliances or networks. Any team spirit among officers is discouraged.
    • All these traits were reinforced, from the 1950s to the 1990s, by Soviet advisors. To the Russians, anything military was secret, enlisted personnel were scum, there was no functional NCO system, and everyone was paranoid about everyone else. These were not "communist" traits, but Russian customs that had existed for centuries and were adopted by the communists to make their dictatorship more secure from rebellion. Arab dictators avidly accepted this kind of advice, but are still concerned about how rapidly the communist dictatorships all came tumbling down between 1989-91.
    Such a system can produce fearsome looking armies, but not a force that can survive an encounter with well trained and led soldiers.
     
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    @scythian500,
    You remind me of the little "Red riding Hood" fable...




    You attracted the Arab PDF's, to the manger...and you ate them raw!:rofl::rofl: red_riding_hood[1].jpg
    None of those countries are able or willing to defend themselves. They acquire a lot of hardware from different part of the world to strengthen ties and buy loyalties...
     
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    Put it in right perspective. No comparison with Iran. Iran has been under sanctions since late 70s. Which sanctions is UAE facing?

    Stockpiling most modern weapons is one thing. Saudis have a very modern military. Going to a war is quite another. Weapons and the people who man them are tested when armies go to war.

    Pakistan has a lot less resources but a very skilled army because it has been fighting wars and been in wars several times in its short history.
     
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    Where were you brother after very long time i see your post
     
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    Brother @al-Hasani had gone to look for "the most powerful army that you have never heard off".


    It took a while because he was using a magnifying glass.

    hahaha


    Sorry bros.

    I couldn't resist adding a bit of humor.
     
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    UAE armed forces these days are under orders from your foriegn ministry, we should be able to test them out and give them a run face 2 face with ISIS instead of flying 30,000 feet and dropping bombs. knowing Emirati people anyone fighting them would be licking their lips thinking of the weapons they would capture while they flee. those people have proven through history that they don't have the heart to fight.
     
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    Indeed the most powerful army on the planet. Would you please choose the the accurate words to express what you want to describe.

    Are they the best in the Middle East. In Asea or on the planet earth.
     
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    @al-Hasani In my opinion they have SHOWCASED military which is not very effective... and recently evolved military can't be SOME POWERFUL let alone MOST.... :usflag::pakistan::china:
     
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    January 3, 2015

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    Members of the UAE Armed Forces participate in the 43rd National Day celebration.

    Priming UAE’s military into a force to reckon with
    UAE’s Armed Forces at the forefront of global peacekeeping efforts

    His Highness Shaikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice-President and Prime Minister of the UAE and Ruler of Dubai, in his younger days attended Mons Officer Cadet School – Aldershot, now part of the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, and was awarded the Sword of Honor for achieving the highest mark of any Foreign and Commonwealth officer cadet in his intake.

    In 1971, Shaikh Mohammad made history as he became the world’s youngest defence minister, and in less than twelve months only, he wisely tackled the serious responsibility assigned to him during the Arab-Israeli war, coup attempt in a neighbouring country and an airplane hijack at Dubai Airport; all these major events took place while he was trying to form a national federal defence force.

    The UAE Forces undertook its first international task on 1976 when troops were flown to Lebanon to join the Arab Deterrent Force for a peace-keeping mission in that troubled country.

    In 1991, the UAE’s Armed Forces were at the forefront of coalition efforts to liberate Kuwait, marking the UAE’s first involvement in an active war zone.

    During the Serbian aggression in Bosnia, which dragged on throughout much of the early 1990s, Shaikh Mohammad pressed for an international force to be dispatched to Bosnia, and made clear the UAE’s willingness to participate in such operation. When the United Nations Mission in Bosnia and Herzegovina was eventually created, it fell under Nato’s mandate and the UAE did not participate directly.

    The UAE, however, provided numerous airlifts of wounded Bosnian Muslims to Abu Dhabi and Dubai, where they received medical treatment and their families were provided with accommodation and financial support.

    The UAE was one of the first countries to commit resources to UNOSOM II, a multinational operation, Restore Hope, policed by the United Nations Operations in Somalia.

    The UAE Armed Forces were also deployed in Kosovo in 1999, in an attempt to end Serbian genocide there.

    The UAE Air Force has been engaged in bombing missions against Daesh militants in Syria since August.

    Priming UAE’s military into a force to reckon with | GulfNews.com