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The major reason Islam was so successful was due to chivalry and mercy towards civilians - Most merciful conquerors in history

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Can you provide a source for your claim on Umar stoning someone to death for rape of a war captive? The only incident I have read is of him ordering the stoning of a soldier who raped a captive bride who had not been distributed by the state yet. So the sex was deemed illicit because the state itself had not given the captive girl to the soldier. Not because it was non-
Was the decision to distribute spoils made by the state or a council presided by the commander of the army? If it's by the state then i'd like source for that

Either way even going with the flow of your argument then even after being given to someone she'll have the status of a slave ergo she can't be harmed in any way, a slave girl was literally ordered to be freed by the Prophet himself due to being slapped, in another instance Abu Mas'ud was forbidden from beating his slave by the Prophet....the stance on raping a slave should be obvious taking all of this into account unless you bring an authentic and authoritative tradition/narration to back up your claim

And this is what a reputable Islamic scholar (Ibn Hajar Asqalani) said about Al-Waqidi's works on the ghazawat (battles): "He is acceptable in the narrations of the battles according to our companions and Allah knows the best."

Based on which criteria, methods of analysis and principles did Asqalani come to this conclusion? If you don't know (in case the acceptability of Waqidi isn't successfully established by you) then another question pops up, which part of your claim about Uthman from Waqidi is corroborated by other authentic sources?
 
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He is using severely mistranslated propaganda sources with embellished poems as some sort of proof that Muslims committed war crimes.

The question is simple, when Non-Muslim men were killed off in war, what was to be done with women and children? Were they to be made to fend for themselves, most likely enslaved by nefarious forces or forced into prostitution by necessity?

Islam made it clear, they were to be married with honor to Muslims, who would also raise their children and provide for them.

There is no imaginary mass sexual violence, they were given homes and became an equal part of the Muslim society.

War captives were not hereditary slaves as we see in Western or Hindu culture.
Bogus logic. In a war not all civilians are killed and most civilians survive and continue to live their normal lives. The non muslim women after war could have been relocated to their family and their respective community but you muslims will never do such thing because those non muslim women can be used to breed more muslim children.

Also there were many instances where husbands of Christian women were deliberately murdered by Muslim soldiers just to have sexual relationship with the women.


Next time don't complain when the Burmese army will kill Rohingya men and will take Rohingya women as war brides. If you can oppress us then we have the full right to oppress muslims.
Sikhs did that right around the time of Geneva Conventions....so much for your Geneva Conventions...

And the rape and plundering of Muslim lands is still taking place today.....Muslim women from Syria are still being exported to the rest of the world...I know a kid like you won't understand it but this is reality.

You talk about things which are normal in Islam and have been normal since ancient times. Muslims still hold the moral high ground because we don't exploit the defenseless women and children.

We don't start wars and conflicts for resources, including women and children, the non-Muslims did and will. Better you start military training rather than coming to PDF to educate us about your identity crises and worries.

Rules and treaties don't mean anything if no one is following them btw.
That is even worse. You guys wage war in order to spread your religion by any means which is far worse.

Humans are greedy and will always fight for resources but a religion cannot encourage wars and genocides which unfortunately is what you people do.
 

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Islam was spread through sufis also, not just muslim kings or conquerors.

While muslim rulers were fighting amongst themselves and others for thrones, it was Data Ali Hajveri Ganjbuksh who arrived near Ravi river, Khuwaja Moeenudin Chishti arrived at Ajmer and surrounding areas, Baba Fareed arrived at Ajodhan (now pakpatan shareef) etc and showed humanitarian as well as spiritual side of Islam thus becoming instrumental in spreading Islam.
 

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First explain me why Persia became Muslim majority within 25 years?

It was not that they were merciful. It was our resilience which kept us Survived. We have survived against Hun, kushans, Greeks , Europeans etc.
Persia was a kingdom, just Like Russian kingdom.. when a King changes religion, all the subjects change it with them. It was more serve in case of Persia as their king was thought of sun god. @Titanium100
 
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Persia was a kingdom, just Like Russian kingdom.. when a King changes religion, all the subjects change it with them. It was more serve in case of Persia as their king was thought of song god. @Titanium100
Who told you this bullcrap. Emperor Ashoka was a Buddhist yet he had many hindu subjects and did not force anyone to become Buddhist.

You need to have a brain to understand what is religious freedom. Unfortunately the 56 muslim countries are worst when it comes to treatment of minorities and religious freedom.
 

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Hummm,

Islam has a history of merciful conquers starting from Mohammad bin Qasim to bagadadi. World has never seen such merciful conquers.

yup.. hindu rulers have been rotten since the dawn of time.. present day rules are just as bad.
 

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Who told you this bullcrap
Just see the trend.. Afghans, mayans, aztec, north african, mongol, even duchy of moscow, all were tribal people.. whenever a tribal leader make some affiliation or change religion, tribesmen follow. That is why South Africa became Christians.
Persia doesn't fit in it. But point is, the King of Persia were thought of sun god (like horus of egypt). So kingdoms like egypt/persia quickly convert to ideas/philosophy of the invaders.

This didn't work in case of India or China as local religion and language was so strong that it resisted any new thought/religion (exception are there).
 

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Why do you think there are 1 billion hindus today? If mongols had entered or crusaders,
Because all Hindus were not weak. Some prefer to die rather than getting converted and taking the pride in ancestry of Invaders as their ancestors which were actually not.
Persia was a kingdom, just Like Russian kingdom.. when a King changes religion, all the subjects change it with them. It was more serve in case of Persia as their king was thought of sun god. @Titanium100
Why did that not happened in India even when the Mughals were Kings?
 

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Bogus logic. In a war not all civilians are killed and most civilians survive and continue to live their normal lives. The non muslim women after war could have been relocated to their family and their respective community but you muslims will never do such thing because those non muslim women can be used to breed more muslim children.

Also there were many instances where husbands of Christian women were deliberately murdered by Muslim soldiers just to have sexual relationship with the women.


Next time don't complain when the Burmese army will kill Rohingya men and will take Rohingya women as war brides. If you can oppress us then we have the full right to oppress muslims.

That is even worse. You guys wage war in order to spread your religion by any means which is far worse.

Humans are greedy and will always fight for resources but a religion cannot encourage wars and genocides which unfortunately is what you people do.
What next level horsecrap is this?

Who cares what happened hundreds of years ago? Everybody was slaughtering everybody back then. Does that give Buddhists in modern civilised nations the right to slaughter Muslims today?? Not sure what planet you're living on matey.
 

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The very early or the religious founding era is always good.

Not only the prophet is the chosen person, but the people surrounding the prophet are also the chosen persons as well.

So I believe the story or the theory above.


But since then, it will slowly fall and just get worse until the End Times.

Just like an empire, a kingdom, a country, nothing will last forever.

Just as it has been told in the Holy Book as well.


The arrival of Islam in the Middle East is the will of God.

The kindness, compassion, and forgiveness of God to save humanity in the Middle East and even the entire world.


After the End Times, God will save the world again.
 

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Who told you this bullcrap. Emperor Ashoka was a Buddhist yet he had many hindu subjects and did not force anyone to become Buddhist.

You need to have a brain to understand what is religious freedom. Unfortunately the 56 muslim countries are worst when it comes to treatment of minorities and religious freedom.
While there is no authentic soirces of madeup stories of ashoka. You ppl have to go back and give fake examples of kings oldet than stone ages. You being an evil bhudist talk about minority rights? Thats a joke, u ppl are the most ugly racist ive ever seen, u ppl cant even tolerate minority in ur country, let alone giving them rights and then u blame muslims? Minorities are treated badly by non Muslim countries but media portrays it as if its the muslims. The foreign funded terrorists attack minoritoes in muslim countries to validate those fake claims. Reality is that hindu, bhudist and even christians dont tolerate minorities.

I know ur a scumbag and giving false claims of muslims using force but ur stupid too and fail to realize u cannot become such a big force in mere 1400 years with force. Indonesia is the biggest muslim country and yet there been no major wars to spread religion. Who is forcing the westerners to become muslim now? Its ur inner insecurity that is talking. No one will force u to become anything, keep worshipping those stone idols and soon ull see what u face after death.
 
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While there is no authentic soirces of madeup stories of ashoka. You ppl have to go back and give fake examples of kings oldet than stone ages. You being an evil bhudist talk about minority rights? Thats a joke, u ppl are the most ugly racist ive ever seen, u ppl cant even tolerate minority in ur country, let alone giving them rights and then u blame muslims? Minorities are treated badly by non Muslim countries but media portrays it as if its the muslims. The foreign funded terrorists attack minoritoes in muslim countries to validate those fake claims. Reality is that hindu, bhudist and even christians dont tolerate minorities.

I know ur a scumbag and giving false claims of muslims using force but ur stupid too and fail to realize u cannot become such a big force in mere 1400 years with force. Indonesia is the biggest muslim country and yet there been no major wars to spread religion. Who is forcing the westerners to become muslim now? Its ur inner insecurity that is talking. No one will force u to become anything, keep worshipping those stone idols and soon ull see what u face after death.
Also I did not talk about ex-muslims or apostates. There are millions of ex-muslims in Europe alone. There are many atheists in muslim countries too. How are they treated?

Many muslim countries including fanatic muslims living in the west put physical and mental pressure on these ex muslims.

Isn't this forcing religion down the throat?

I know ex muslims in many platform who most of the time has to become anonymous when talking about their atheistic views because some radical might behead him/her.

This is also another example of forcing religion down the throat.
 

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Also I did not talk about ex-muslims or apostates. There are millions of ex-muslims in Europe alone. There are many atheists in muslim countries too. How are they treated?

Many muslim countries including fanatic muslims living in the west put physical and mental pressure on these ex muslims.

Isn't this forcing religion down the throat?

I know ex muslims in many platform who most of the time has to become anonymous when talking about their atheistic views because some radical might behead him/her.

This is also another example of forcing religion down the throat.



"millions of ex-Muslims in europe alone"............................................:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:.................I bet you have so much credible, irrefutable and genuine evidence of there being millions of ex-Muslims in Europe....................................:disagree:.....................................only in the low iq retarded indian bollywood fantasy world.........................:disagree:
 
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