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Really, do you know how many cargo ships full of weapons coming from Iran have been confiscated which means there are a lot more that have gone through? The US spends 700 Billion USD on its military budget and yet they have failed against the much weaker Taliban and the same goes for Pakistan. Although the Taliban have only a fraction of the weapons available to the Houthis.
I need evidence for all the "many cargo ships full of weapons coming from Iran [which] have been confiscated". Last I heard there's a blockade of Yemen by the Saudis so it's Saudi incompetence which lead to Saudi defeats in battles. Should have worked harder against the rebels rather than bombing Yemeni civilians and their infrastructure.

There's also a big difference between the Afghan Taliban & TTP (Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan), one is a actual movement made up of the natives of Afghanistan while the other is a foreign funded terrorist organization. Your lack of actual knowledge on the subject speaks volume.
 
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Yemen and Afghanistan have almost the same geography of very mountainous terrain where the rebels hide.
Let's put that in perspective, shall we.

The zionist allied Najdi-Sauds started the War on Yemen on the 26th of March 2015. It has been 5 years since that time, and with all of Najdi-Sauds advance tech weapons from Zionist Western Bloc. And the war still continues. One would've thought the war would've been over by the end of 2015.

The zionist slave states of america started a War on Afghanistan on the 7th of October 2001. With all their advance weaponry, spending well over $1.5 trillion over the and dropping bombs worth enough to buy houses. Almost 20 years on, they are still there and Afghans are still fighting with ferocity to throw out the foreign occupiers.

The excuse for terrain has zero meaning, with the availability of advance surveillance drones, constant and accurate cover of satellites in orbit and signals intelligence aircraft. You've got to be the lamest, most unmotivated bunch of buffoons to not take out your enemy. Pakistan defeated the ttp-goons with less than half the tech and capacity available to both Najdi-Sauds and Zionist-Americans.
 

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Infantry is very well trained too.. but it is very difficult to fight in mountainous terrain.. even the US army couldn't in Afghanistan.. this is an unconventional war.. Hence resorting to air raids..
Wait... what?

American troops were able to fight very well in virtually all environments of Afghanistan including in the Tora Bora mountain where entire networks of caves were uncovered and destroyed. They were in control of Taliban strongholds including Kandahar but Obama administration ordered withdrawal in 2014. Logistics requirements of this military expedition were through the roof and military operations were proving expensive through the years. But this was War On Terror and not War For Extermination which Donald Trump pointed out can carried out in a span of few days. Afghans do not just live in Afghanistan but also in Pakistan and Iran. Chasing Afghan Taliban everywhere could lead to a major humanitarian crises and political tensions across the board. Americans are not willing to go this far due to political considerations. The Al-Qaeda Network for which they came, is done and dusted (primary mission accomplished); everything else is "secondary."

Saudi military blunders on the grounds in Yemen are well-documented; Quora is littered with examples. Houthi rebels look strong due to Saudi incompetence. Houthi cannot run and hide anywhere but stay in Yemen and Saudi lack the capacity to overrun their strongholds. Saudi do not have logistics challenges for military operations in bordering Yemen (no need for supply lines to pass through other counties and shipments coming from thousands of KMs away), and yet...

Nevertheless, I hope Saudi armed forces have learned much from War in Yemen (unfortunate that it is), and transform itself into a capable fighting machine. A strong Saudi Arabia is in the best interest of entire Islamic bloc.
 

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Pakistani pilots were not even allowed close to F15s. Saudi and US really guarded F15s in 80 and 90s very closely. not sure if pakistan ever got access to F15s
 

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Let's put that in perspective, shall we.

The zionist allied Najdi-Sauds started the War on Yemen on the 26th of March 2015. It has been 5 years since that time, and with all of Najdi-Sauds advance tech weapons from Zionist Western Bloc. And the war still continues. One would've thought the war would've been over by the end of 2015.

The zionist slave states of america started a War on Afghanistan on the 7th of October 2001. With all their advance weaponry, spending well over $1.5 trillion over the and dropping bombs worth enough to buy houses. Almost 20 years on, they are still there and Afghans are still fighting with ferocity to throw out the foreign occupiers.

The excuse for terrain has zero meaning, with the availability of advance surveillance drones, constant and accurate cover of satellites in orbit and signals intelligence aircraft. You've got to be the lamest, most unmotivated bunch of buffoons to not take out your enemy. Pakistan defeated the ttp-goons with less than half the tech and capacity available to both Najdi-Sauds and Zionist-Americans.
There is much about modern asymmetrical warfare that you do not seem to understand even in theory, my friend. Every war is shaped by political objectives and considerations. War On Terror is not about fighting to exterminate affected countries but an effort to curb hardcore terrorist organizations and to reshape political landscape of affected countries and these kind of interventions are producing mixed results. Troops are trained to fight and not police affected environments; the latter responsibility fall on the shoulders of a government but potential allies on the ground are not perfect and corruption-proof. Some of the hardcore terrorist organizations could be vanquished, others are under pressure to reform themselves. As to costs incurred for these conflicts - see post # 33 above for further insight.

Pakistani armed forces defeated TTP inside Pakistan no doubt but they received beneficial support from Americans for the needful (Funding; Training; Drone Strikes; Intel sharing); TTP as a movement still exist because it found breathing space in Afghanistan (unfortunately). Some do not want to give Americans credit where due however because Anti-American sentiments are too strong and shape prevalent narratives. Ground realities are not as Black and White as you attempt to cast them in your posts, my friend; there are 50 Shades of Grey in the mix. The bigger picture is this: Pakistan helped Americans defeat Al-Qaeda Network and they helped Pakistan defeat TTP - a Fair trade.

Pakistani armed forces receive good training no doubt but they are not made up of superhumans receiving divine guidance at every step - they learn from mistakes and experiences much like any other force in the world; either these realities are not common knowledge or intentionally overlooked in some circles to shape prevalent narratives. It is important to look at developments objectively and give credit where due instead of turning into a propaganda machine.

Please do study "Operation Inherent Resolve" - a masterpiece of War On Terror in recent times.
 

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I need evidence for all the "many cargo ships full of weapons coming from Iran [which] have been confiscated". Last I heard there's a blockade of Yemen by the Saudis so it's Saudi incompetence which lead to Saudi defeats in battles. Should have worked harder against the rebels rather than bombing Yemeni civilians and their infrastructure.

There's also a big difference between the Afghan Taliban & TTP (Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan), one is a actual movement made up of the natives of Afghanistan while the other is a foreign funded terrorist organization. Your lack of actual knowledge on the subject speaks volume.
Your incompetence speaks volume then.. Stop your BS,, because it is obvious to everyone that you have an inferiority complex.. and want to project it on Saudi Arabia.. stop your wet dreaming.. and try to get facts..
Wait... what?

American troops were able to fight very well in virtually all environments of Afghanistan including in the Tora Bora mountain where entire networks of caves were uncovered and destroyed. They were in control of Taliban strongholds including Kandahar but Obama administration ordered withdrawal in 2014. Logistics requirements of this military expedition were through the roof and military operations were proving expensive through the years. But this was War On Terror and not War For Extermination which Donald Trump pointed out can carried out in a span of few days. Afghans do not just live in Afghanistan but also in Pakistan and Iran. Chasing Afghan Taliban everywhere could lead to a major humanitarian crises and political tensions across the board. Americans are not willing to go this far due to political considerations. The Al-Qaeda Network for which they came, is done and dusted (primary mission accomplished); everything else is "secondary."

Saudi military blunders on the grounds in Yemen are well-documented; Quora is littered with examples. Houthi rebels look strong due to Saudi incompetence. Houthi cannot run and hide anywhere but stay in Yemen and Saudi lack the capacity to overrun their strongholds. Saudi do not have logistics challenges for military operations in bordering Yemen (no need for supply lines to pass through other counties and shipments coming from thousands of KMs away), and yet...

Nevertheless, I hope Saudi armed forces have learned much from War in Yemen (unfortunate that it is), and transform itself into a capable fighting machine. A strong Saudi Arabia is in the best interest of entire Islamic bloc.
So at the end Afghanistan was a big burden on the US..And I am just wondering why they made peace with Taliban..

Saudi Arabia's presence in Yemen is restricted to SF training and supporting the Government troops..as well as air support.. so the incompetence is rather from those Yemeni troops..

The fact is that you can't overrun the Houthis strongholds when they hide among civilians.. The example of Hodeida port and city is a good one where Houthis were overrun and defeated only to have the UN intervening and stopping the advance inside the city..this is well documented too..
 
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Your incompetence speaks volume then.. Stop your BS,, because it is obvious to everyone that you have an inferiority complex.. and want to project it on Saudi Arabia.. stop your wet dreaming.. and try to get facts..
You talk like a Saudi child poster on PDF. At least point out my "incompetence" and "inferiority complex". :lol:

All I wrote was basic understood facts. If your brain isn't open to facts and ideas, not my fault. Everyone knows Saudis are only going to use those "advanced" F-15's to bomb Yemeni civilian infrastructure.

@denel has real life experience with that if you don't like the blunt truth I wrote on this thread.
 

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You talk like a Saudi child poster on PDF. At least point out my "incompetence" and "inferiority complex". :lol:

All I wrote was basic understood facts. If your brain isn't open to facts and ideas, not my fault. Everyone knows Saudis are only going to use those "advanced" F-15's to bomb Yemeni civilian infrastructure.

@denel has real life experience with that if you don't like the blunt truth I wrote on this thread.
Everything is obvious here little brat..You assume and think everyone is like you?
Where are your facts?
 

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Everything is obvious here little brat..You assume and think everyone is like you?
Where are your facts?
Read posts 25, 28 and 31. Don't tell me you don't know how to use PDF old geezer?

Start Reading:

June 15th, 2020: https://apnews.com/article/17dca7a0cab9057ee838d4a7f0c92fc0#:~:text=SANAA, Yemen (AP) —,according to the Houthi rebels.&text=The Houthis have used drones and missiles to attack Saudi Arabia.

And I got a lot more "facts" and evidence.......I'll drown you in them too so that you have your fill. :D
 

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Read posts 25, 28 and 31. Don't tell me you don't know how to use PDF old geezer?

Start Reading:

June 15th, 2020: https://apnews.com/article/17dca7a0cab9057ee838d4a7f0c92fc0#:~:text=SANAA, Yemen (AP) —,according to the Houthi rebels.&text=The Houthis have used drones and missiles to attack Saudi Arabia.

And I got a lot more "facts" and evidence.......I'll drown you in them too so that you have your fill. :D
Old news debunked.. The coalition said it might have been an intelligence mistake.. but there were Houthis hiding among civilians in the bus.. you know these guys wear civilian clothes all the time anyways..

Anything else..? Off Topic..
 

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There is much about modern asymmetrical warfare that you do not seem to understand even in theory, my friend. Every war is shaped by political objectives and considerations. War On Terror is not about fighting to exterminate affected countries but an effort to curb hardcore terrorist organizations and to reshape political landscape of affected countries and these kind of interventions are producing mixed results. Troops are trained to fight and not police affected environments; the latter responsibility fall on the shoulders of a government but potential allies on the ground are not perfect and corruption-proof. Some of the hardcore terrorist organizations could be vanquished, others are under pressure to reform themselves. As to costs incurred for these conflicts - see post # 33 above for further insight.

Pakistani armed forces defeated TTP inside Pakistan no doubt but they received beneficial support from Americans for the needful (Funding; Training; Drone Strikes; Intel sharing); TTP as a movement still exist because it found breathing space in Afghanistan (unfortunately). Some do not want to give Americans credit where due however because Anti-American sentiments are too strong and shape prevalent narratives. Ground realities are not as Black and White as you attempt to cast them in your posts, my friend; there are 50 Shades of Grey in the mix. The bigger picture is this: Pakistan helped Americans defeat Al-Qaeda Network and they helped Pakistan defeat TTP - a Fair trade.

Pakistani armed forces receive good training no doubt but they are not made up of superhumans receiving divine guidance at every step - they learn from mistakes and experiences much like any other force in the world; either these realities are not common knowledge or intentionally overlooked in some circles to shape prevalent narratives. It is important to look at developments objectively and give credit where due instead of turning into a propaganda machine.

Please do study "Operation Inherent Resolve" - a masterpiece of War On Terror in recent times.
Well sure, america has helped Pakistan, but the ttp problem only surfaced after the american led invasion of Afghanistan. Prior to that, there wasn't any semblance of an organized terrorist group that challenged Pakistan and carried out attacks on the scale and devastation, as ttp. The area of Swat, was under defacto control of the ttp. From Miranshah and Wana, to Datta Khel, Parachinar and right down to Karachi, ttp was attacking Pakistan's Military.

As for giving credit, well even there the americans have been found stingy and self-centered. Failing to acknowledge how Pakistan's UN Peacekeepers in Somalia rescued the americans from being completely overrun. The western media portrayal of Pakistan is and always has been a negative one, bordering demonizing Pakistan. And what about Pakistan's instrumental role in ending the Cold War with the defeat of the Soviets in Afghanistan? No one has ever mentioned nor attributed this to Pakistan, in the western MSM .The incompetence of the americans (if you can actually call it that) is such an insult, one can not and ought not forget (as a Pakistani) when in 2011 Pakistan Military and the american-nato Military, exchanged blows in what was an aggression perpetrated by the Americans. Pakistani Soldiers died in an unprovoked attack by the americans.

20 years of american military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, a time equivalent to an entire generation ... and what has it yielded? Al-Qaeda ... ISIS ... Nusra Front ... a terrorist breeding ground in Libya ... terrorism in Europe ... mass migration of Africa into the West.

The War on Terror has given birth to more new terror groups, in the last 20 years than it has compared to the rest of history. It almost feels like the peaceful decade of the 90s when america became the sole superpower, was too much to handle. Like a cancer in waiting, the moment clinton's two terms were over, 9/11 happens. Everyone seems to forget the 2000 elections were a farce. What happened 20 years ago in the Bush/Gore fiasco in Florida? I would've doubted Al Gore would EVER order the invasions of Afghanistan (2001) or Iraq (2003).

I appreciate your post, giving a different perspective on things.
 

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Training is very good, much of it given by Pak Forces.
my opinion is pak instructors go easy on them after seeing multiple videos, cadets try taking shortcuts through obstacles and other bs, if pakistani cadet did that, he would be grilled until his batch passed out.
 

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It looks like Israel isn’t the only one that gets lots of goodies
Yup, but unlike Israel, which sucks and grows on American taxpayers money, KSA etc pay full price for all the equipment. But, hey, I guess it's all good if US-Israel are happy about about their healthy relationship.
my opinion is pak instructors go easy on them after seeing multiple videos, cadets try taking shortcuts through obstacles and other bs, if pakistani cadet did that, he would be grilled until his batch passed out.
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