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The King Arthur legends

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  1. dexter

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    King Arthur has risen again and again in our collective imagination, along with his retinue of knights, Guinevere, the Round Table, Camelot, and of course Excalibur. But where do these stories come from, and is there any truth to them? Alan Lupack traces the evolution of King Arthur.
     
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    this is the only King Arthur I know
     
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    Its not original to britain. it was transmitted by iranian nomads (alans/sarmatians)
     
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    What? How?
     
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    These nomads at many instances in history served as feoderati/auxiliaries for the romans. Many of them were dispersed as the huns appeared across europe including britain.

    Knightly tradition and heavy cavalry (cataphracts) in general has its roots in ancient iran and associated peoples. The arthurian legend is all about this
     
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    Wow. Nice. I've never given a shit about history enough to read about this, but that is very interesting.
     
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    I beg to pardon. But the romanticism of Knights and their heavy horses came from the European Middle Age military tradition at the time when the story was written. We can see this tradition from the battle of Agincourt between England and France in their 100 years war history. Where the French charged the English position with their heavy cavalry charge (Knight's charge) and got massacred by Henry V army.
     
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    knightly tradition has deeper roots than that. it evolved over time but the concept of a specific class of armored mounted horsemen has its roots in the cataphract tradition.

    In europe this tradition is older than agincourt lol. the battle of lechfeld between armored noblemen of the hre and nomad magyar horsemen was the main battle that solidified the concept of a 'knight' in europe.
     
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    Actually, the battle of Agincourt was the end of the Heavy Cavalry Charge tradition.But it was a very good example of a battle that use heavy cavalry charge.

    My point is that "The Knight's Romanticism" was taken from the time when the story was written. It came from European Middle Age Tradition. But because of European people ignorant from that time, they thought that it came from long long time ago in dark age era.