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The Israelis can benefit from this period of quiet

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  1. DV RULES

    DV RULES SENIOR MEMBER

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    It’s a measure of the relatively quiet time for Israel these days that the sharpest argument at a big national security conference in the country was between an ultra-Orthodox rabbi who wanted “autonomy” for his fellow believers and secular Israelis in the audience who shouted out denunciations of what one called his “apartheid” plan.

    To be sure, the Iranian threat looms on the horizon. And Amos Yadlin, a retired major general who heads the Institute for National Security Studies, warns of an approaching choice between “bombing or the bomb” – that is, attacking Iran or accepting it as a nuclear-weapons state. But in terms of imminent dangers, this is a surprisingly tranquil period for the Jewish state.

    The Israeli political star of the moment is Yair Lapid, a newcomer who scored a surprising success in January’s elections and is now finance minister and a key partner in the ruling coalition. Benjamin Netanyahu remains prime minister but has lost some of his clout. Lapid, who looks like a bulked-up Israeli version of George Clooney and whose driving passion is saving Israel from the ultra-Orthodox, didn’t even mention security matters in his movie-star speech at this security conference.

    What accounts for this upbeat and introspective mood at a time when the region is in turmoil? Israelis are realizing that however much the upheaval threatens the established Arab order, it doesn’t necessarily hurt them. Israelis have been predicting for decades that the arbitrary borders set by the 1916 Sykes-Picot accord would ultimately dissolve and the Ottoman ethnic “vilayets” would return. Now, to some Israeli analysts, this Arab crackup seems to be happening, and what’s not to like?

    The paradox of the Arab revolutions is that though they have created instability on Israel’s borders, they have also reduced the conventional military threat. Israel’s enemies are tearing each other apart: Egyptians are squabbling internally as the economy sinks; Syrians are battling each other in a bloody civil war; Sunni and Shiite extremists are waging a war of attrition across the region.

    Even as Israeli leaders warily watch Iran’s continuing push toward nuclear-weapons capability, they talk about a peace dividend. The Israeli defense budget has been declining, and Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, the Israeli chief of staff, talked of seizing the “window of opportunity when there is a small chance of all-out war.”

    This theme of reduced external threats was explained by Brig Gen. Itai Brun, the head of research and analysis for Israeli military intelligence. He told the conference that the balance had shifted toward Israel in several ways: a “decreased conventional threat” because the Syrian army is preoccupied by civil war; a “weakening of the radical axis” as Hamas loses its base in Syria and Sunnis and Shiites fight against each other; and the stability of Israel’s peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan.

    The Muslim Brotherhood takeover in Egypt worries Israelis somewhat, but as Brun observed, “the regime [in Egypt] has decided to be pragmatic.” Syrian chemical weapons are a concern, too, but Israel has plans to contain them if the regime is toppled.

    Tensions in the U.S.-Israeli relationship have eased, too, after Barack Obama’s very successful visit to Israel last month. Israelis wanted Obama to show the love, and when he finally did, it dispelled much of their anxiety. Indeed, in many ways, Israel’s current passivity in the region is arguably a local version of “leading from behind.”

    In this period of relative external peace, Israel has a rare opportunity to secure its foundations as a Jewish, democratic state. That means dealing with three existential problems. The first is the role of the ultra-Orthodox, who usually don’t serve in the military and often aren’t part of the workforce. Rabbi Shmuel Jakobovits’ call for formal autonomy for his community drew catcalls at the conference, but somehow a bargain must be struck that allows a united Jewish identity for the state.

    The second challenge flows from the first: If Israel is to be a Jewish state, it must separate from the Palestinians it now rules in the occupied West Bank. As Yadlin and his institute argued in a bold proposal, Israel should create a Palestinian state either through negotiation or unilateral separation – not as a gift to the Arabs but as a way of serving Israel’s national interests.

    Iran is the third threat, and it shadowed these discussions. Obama has pledged to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. But in this period of external calm, Israeli leaders may decide they have an opening to take action if necessary.


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  2. Falcon29

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    If I was Iran i would watch out. Don't be fooled by the USA or Israel claiming diplomatic action comes first and that there still is plenty of time before taking military action. These two nations are not to be trusted. They may let you think you're getting away with exercising your rights but they also may surprise you. Iranians should be preparing everyday.

    Also to the OP, are you for a strike on Iran?

    Btw, don't you just love this hypocrisy? Israel and the US are openly talking about illegally invading another nation, possibly killing thousands of civilians, obstructing a nations sovereignty and wrecklessly flaming conflict in the region but the article only refers to it as if its a game. When the US and Israel do it = Interests. When anyone other than them = Barbarism, conquering agenda, destabilization.

    This article really does view an invasion as if its happening and we should accept it, it completely disregards the terroristic intentions of Israel(terrorize their neighbors from adopting technology) and the consequences of war while only looking at the whole situation as a Israeli military analysis.

    These two nations and the journalist that support this imperialism are the most disgusting beings in earth.
     
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    I assure you, Israel will never do anything, this f~cked up regime couldn't even stand against Hezbollah or Hamas.
    for now they only bark so maybe get some scores in nuclear negotiations which of course will lead nowhere, even if we want to enrich the uranium to 50%, no one can stop us. it's 34 years we are preparing ourselves and the only reason U.S hasn't attacked us so far, is our strength. U.S strategist are desperate, in one side they know that war with Iran is too expensive for them and in the other side they know Iran will become more powerful everyday they delay.
    today their only hope is regime change in Iran through people and colorful revolutions but this plan has already failed too.
    their meanwhile solution was sanctions to at least delay Iranian advancement, but we will convert them to opportunities Ensha'allah.
     
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    Alhamdillah, I don't want you to worry but our people here, generally don't have an effect on our foreign policy and they are very gullible to believe the Iranian regime oppresses their people just like they did with Iraq and Saddam and people believed the media deception and supported the war. But we also have people that are starting to become very anti war due to the economy.

    And you're right, they know the costs and they seem like they come up with excuses to not do war which is a sign of our change in policy but also that we need to focus more on our economy. That being said, Iran should always be prepared either way. And it looks like your nation is preparing.

    Of course israel won't do it alone, they have problems with Hamas and Hezbollah and it seems like they are preparing for a war with Hezbollah this summer. They want to weaken them and try to come after Iran last. So that's why I say be careful. Sanctions will have an opposite effect and make Iranians more innovative and smart with their resources. But it is also unfortunate the sanctions are effecting medicine supplies, etc....

    So good luck to you my friend, I know what it is like to be scapegoated by the media, everything nowadays is about Iran but many of us here are becoming anti war. I always was of course. But I mean the general population. But that's the power of the Jewish people. Is to use their media against your nation and thankfully it isn't working like it used to.
     
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    Most of the quiet is when we have put the Arab children to bed.

    Like in November last year.

    Now the so-called 'palestinians' are starting their rocket attacks again from Gaza - we will have to deal with them again.

    It's a cycle. They enjoy it.

    Terror is what they live for.
     
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    Look who we got here.....it's Rambo himself! ......:omghaha:
     
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    Talking smack from the USA.

    You weren't even born in the middle east. An immigrant who talks about Jewish immigrants.

    The bare faced cheek of this yankee :omghaha:
     
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    Go brush your teeth you Brit.....:D
     
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    Israeli born and bred, you yankee doodle.

    Parents born in Israel.

    I bet you're on so many radars in the US, you shitty little Islamic hood rat. :lol:
     
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    What is a Briton doing here discussing Middle Eastern politics? Go drink some tea you Brit....:D
     
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    Funny how this Jewish brit talks so much **** and I bet in real life hes some nerd with glasses and a big Jewish nose :omghaha: . His hatred probably comes from being bullied by Muslims in Britain. So he acts all tough on the internet