• Friday, November 15, 2019

The Interview (RAF Pilot flying the AJ-37 Viggen)

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  1. A.P. Richelieu

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    http://www.collectair.co.uk/pdf/interview-hr.pdf

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    Squadron exchanges were a regular occurrence at Coltishall, and while on 41 Mike participated in a particularly interesting one with F6 wing of the Swedish Air Force at Karlsborg, flying the AJ37 Viggen. Right from the start, he and his colleagues realised that much was exceptional about the way the Swedes trained and operated, not least considering that the majority of the pilots were effectively doing national service. ‘When you looked at the people who were flying the aeroplanes, I thought that we could learn from this, definitely. The guy who flew me was a Honda 500cc works motorcycle rider; they had rally drivers, go-kart racers, all kinds of things. These weren’t people with good degrees in underwater basket-weaving, these were people who were recruited to fly the Viggen.

    The first to go up in the Viggen was our boss, Hilton Moses. I remember going out with him to the aeroplane and seeing him laugh- ing and smiling, and then seeing him getting out and coming back to the crewroom looking like he’d just been put through some kind of crazy combination between a fairground ride and a washing machine. Then I went flying in the afternoon, and it changed my life.
    ‘They would fly around at Mach 0.95, 650kt give or take a bit, and they trained at 10m. We flew through firebreaks in trees, we flew all over northern Sweden at 30ft, and we never went below 600kt. All of this, I should add, was done under about a 150 to 200ft overcast with no breaks. In the RAF, anybody who wanted to get old would not have flown in that weather. After about 40 minutes, we pulled up into cloud, and the pilot then flew a 4-degree hands-off approach with his hands on his head into a remote airstrip, landed, reversed into a parking bay, did an engine-running refuel without any communication with the people on the ground except hand signals, taxied out and took off in the direc- tion that we’d landed in. Wind
    direction just wasn’t factored.
    Then we did some approaches onto roadways, flying at 15 or 20ft to clear the cars and warn
    them that there were going to be some aeroplane movements before doing practice
    approaches. And the aerobatics beggared belief.

    ‘The next day, it was time to take the Swedish pilots flying in the Jaguar. I was at a bit of a
    loss as to how I was going to mission was on 19 January, and even then explain to this guy that we flew at 420kt when they flew at 620kt. So I decided that the way ahead was to leave the part-throttle reheat in, accelerate to 620kt and then give him the aeroplane. That’s what
    I did—I took off,and gave him control at 620kt and about 150ft. He pushed the nose
    down, took the Jaguar down to 30ft and proceeded to fly it at about 30 to 40ft and 600kt-plus quite happily. It knocked all the myths about who’s got the best aeroplanes, who’s got the best-trained pilots and so on. The Swedish Air Force had aeroplanes that were light years ahead of anything the RAF had, or was going to get, or has got now, and their pilots were in a totally different league to us. This was not just an individual — I flew with three of them, and all three were like that. Each of them was able to fly the Jaguar faster and lower from the back seat than I could from the front seat.

    ‘After that experience, I didn’t think that I would be able to cope with continuing in the Jaguar if I went and flew other aeroplanes. It would have been very depressing. I did fly the F-104, which I enjoyed, but never the F-15, F-16, F/A-18 or anything like that. If I had, I don’t know how I would have managed to go back to the Jaguar.’
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  2. MastanKhan

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    Hi,

    There is no doubt that the swedes make exceptional machines way ahead of their time.

    They are one of the best in utility and function---.

    They should have taken up the offer of pakistan for buying the Grippen---. The Grippen would have been in a different league in sales by now---
     
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  3. Irfan Baloch

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    so was it them who turned Pakistan down? what I understood from old forum posts is that PAF evaluated the craft time ago and didnt choose it
     
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    Hi,

    After the supposed turn down---Paf stated that it had too much technology that they could not absorb---. The aircraft was assessed for awhile---.

    Guess what the JF17 has---.

    Swedes said they have issues selling to countries who maybe going to war---ie pakistan---. But have no issues offering to india---.

    So---it was in between " we don't sell to nations going to war or in war---or too much technology "---.
     
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  5. Irfan Baloch

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    Lol it makes me laugh

    what a sorry state of official statements from both sides
    Swedes didnt want to sell a weapon of war in case its going to be used in a war.. wow
    (maybe between the lines the issue was that country was Pakistan.. and there might've been Indian bribe and enticement of bigger order which never materialized).
    but why change of heart so late? they could've just refused to even show it and said out flat that the jet was out of bound.

    I guess it was some American components that prevented the sale to country already facing military embargo. being so lazy that I haven't bothered to check if there are indeed any American components.

    as for too much technology, it seems like grapes are sour. if some of the features/ components were incompatible and not applicable then they could've been replaced or removed as each jet is tailored to a specific customer need.
     
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  6. A.P. Richelieu

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    There are a lot of people with a lot of fantasies on PDF.

    Musharaff indicated that Pakistan was interested in Gripen during a state visit, and was told that it was out of the question. That was the end of the story.
    There was no evaluation.

    Pakistan was allowed to buy the EriEyes, since they are not classified as weapons in the same way as Gripen.

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...’t-sell-gripen-jets-to-pakistan-(july-8).html

    When Sweden decides on who will be allowed to buy weapons, a total judgement is made.
    Pakistan is, unlike India, not a stable democracy. Simply too many military coups.
    There are typically multiple things that will cause a rejection.
    Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world certainly will be allowed to buy Gripen, if they want to. Being Muslim is not a cause for rejection.
     
  7. Mr.Cringeworth

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    Do you have any deep rooted animosity with us?

    If Pakistan would've gotten grippen it would be a successful battle tested war weapon by now.
     
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    Hi,

    So the above---here is another facet of truth---. And what I wrote was the truth from our side by the air chief---.

    But thanks for giving us the blue prints to build the JF17---.

    Right now---Grippen is at the verge of desperation to sell---but no buyers---.

    A true swedish example of " cut their own nose to spite their face "---.

    The engine is american---.
     
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  9. A.P. Richelieu

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    For trying to show the difference between myths and truths?
    The aim of Swedens policy is actually to avoid having weapons battle tested.
     
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    If that's the case than i think there is a general lack of knowledge among Europeans about the Pakistani army, the army loves the people and only did coups when people where fed up of the governments (or governments did huge fvck ups)thats why people never protested against them. Pakistan has had the most peaceful coups, and army never harmed a single civilian.

    I'm not just talking about this subject at hand, as a civillian you usually have a negative perspective of Pakistanis, on the other hand Americans and British have a somewhat neutral perspective of us (depending on their IQ).

    And why would that be? You don't have to do it yourself you just have provide us with the weapons and we will do it for you against our enemies.
     
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  11. Irfan Baloch

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    I am sure Sweden will also sell the jets to Saudi Arabia , no questions asked even if they will be used on Yemen or possibly Iran.
    with Pakistan its the issue of American embargo due to its engines and Indian influence.
    Sweden had its logic and it might have had to do with potential win on Indian tender.
    Swedish AWACs are awesome and really enchained our air defence though and maybe you are correct that Sweden had a different view on their sale.
     
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    A facist government is a stable democracy. That cute
     
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    Hi,

    Irfan---I think with all the muslims migrating to sweden---in a few years time this too shall change---.

    Higher muslim population---more muslims in the parliament---sweden might in the end see daylight by becoming a muslim nation---.
     
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    Sir IMO every weapon is for defence and this is the mainstay of Pakistan's defence policy. Our weapons always battled tested while defending our motherland and it was proven on 26-27 February, may be you and your government already aware of the incident.
    SAAB is a reputed company and we already in business with them since long (SAAB Safari & now SAAB Erieye). Fighter (AJ-37) produced by SAAB is also seems very potent platform. We wish we could have it ... PAF will do battle testing as well as marketing for SAAB/Sweden, after 27-Feb Swedish ERIEYE once again in limelight.
     
  15. A.P. Richelieu

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    Not a chance.
    Sweden had a military cooperation agreement with Saudi Arabia.
    When it was found out that some small government agency did some consultancy in secrecy 2015, the shit hit the fan, and the agreement was not extended.
    It would need a government decision, and the current coalition contain parties that want to ban all sales of weapons.
    Not that KSA would buy from buy from us after our foreign minister told them our opinion on human rights in KSA.

    Muslim politicians in Sweden are continously making mistakes. The types of mistakes that forces resignations. Such as refusing to shake hands with a woman.

    A Swedish woman was groomed to become the next Prime Minister.
    That career ended, when she bought a piece of chocolat using her government issued credit card.