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Looks like a 6th generation unmanned fighter jet. Imagine it in a decade and the improvements. Absolutely amazing.
 

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According to Haluk Bayraktar's statement (probably with AI-322F), the payload capacity will be over 1.5 ton and about 2 tons. In the twin-engine configuration, this will also be exceeded. Because it will grow both in terms of lifting capacity and in terms of body and wing area.

Single engine KE will carry 2 SOM-Js or 4 Gökdoğan(bvraam) missiles at internal weapon station. However, as can be seen from the officially approved illustrations, there will be 3 pylons under each wing. This means that the aircraft can theoretically act as CAP for its task force flotilla, with 4 short-range A-A missiles, 2 mini drop tanks(around 700-800 litres total) and 4 long-range A-A missiles.
 

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According to Haluk Bayraktar's statement (probably with AI-322F), the payload capacity will be over 1.5 ton and about 2 tons. In the twin-engine configuration, this will also be exceeded. Because it will grow both in terms of lifting capacity and in terms of body and wing area.

Single engine KE will carry 2 SOM-Js or 4 Gökdoğan(bvraam) missiles at internal weapon station. However, as can be seen from the officially approved illustrations, there will be 3 pylons under each wing. This means that the aircraft can theoretically act as CAP for its task force flotilla, with 4 short-range A-A missiles, 2 mini drop tanks(around 700-800 litres total) and 4 long-range A-A missiles.
IMO... it looks like Baykar is secretly working on a manned carrier-borne fighter for the Turkish Navy.

The twin AI-322F configuration would already give you a drone the size of the M-346, Yak-130, or L-15, i.e., 11-14 tons.

I think, at that point, you're putting in a lot of investment in flight control systems, composites, steel, etc, where moving up to the 19-21-ton range is feasible. You could either use two GE F404/414 or EJ-200-class engines, or a single GE F110 -- or TR Motor -- turbofan to power it.
 

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IMO... it looks like Baykar is secretly working on a manned carrier-borne fighter for the Turkish Navy.

The twin AI-322F configuration would already give you a drone the size of the M-346, Yak-130, or L-15, i.e., 11-14 tons.

I think, at that point, you're putting in a lot of investment in flight control systems, composites, steel, etc, where moving up to the 19-21-ton range is feasible. You could either use two GE F404/414 or EJ-200-class engines, or a single GE F110 -- or TR Motor -- turbofan to power it.
In my opinion, the engine considered for the twin-engine configuration will be the turbofan engine that TEI is working on. Because the aim of TEI is to create a system with the similiar features of a fifth generation fighters have. KE's roadmap is to achieve an all stealth unmanned fighter capability. Accordingly, the block-3 configuration for KE may be the phase at which this transition is intended.
 

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You r taking bayraktar company lightly it's in pipelines most likely few months . Nearly all Turkish projects which were once drawing becomes reality
And if it's built and sucks? Or it takes another 5 years to put it in production? Don't you wish you had bought the J-10?
 

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And if it's built and sucks? Or it takes another 5 years to put it in production? Don't you wish you had bought the J-10?
+1. You are right.

The greatest favor Pakistan can do to the Turkish defense industry is not to buy the products of the Turkish defense industry. Instead, just like in the T129 Atak and MPT-76 tenders, it would be the greatest favor they could do for us to test the candidate products under the most brutal conditions and provide detailed feedback.

While the T129 Atak was successful in these tests, the MPT-76 was not, for example. Thanks to this, we learned what was missing in the MPT-76 with the help of an unbiased eye.

We expect the same ruthless tests and detailed feedback from Pakistanis for Bayraktar KE.
 

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+1. You are right.

The greatest favor Pakistan can do to the Turkish defense industry is not to buy the products of the Turkish defense industry. Instead, just like in the T129 Atak and MPT-76 tenders, it would be the greatest favor they could do for us to test the candidate products under the most brutal conditions and provide detailed feedback.

While the T129 Atak was successful in these tests, the MPT-76 was not, for example. Thanks to this, we learned what was missing in the MPT-76 with the help of an unbiased eye.

We expect the same ruthless tests and detailed feedback from Pakistanis for Bayraktar KE.
That works. If I remember correctly,the Pakistanis tested the Chinese Z-10 and found it not suitable for them. I think it was something about the engine overheating in the Pakistani landscape or some other problem? That's how they went for the Atak.

Basically I agree with @Hakikat ve Hikmet Pakistan could have both J-10s and Kizelelma and AKINCI. I don't think their budget is so bad that they couldn't buy at least 2-5 Kizelelma.
 

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That works. If I remember correctly,the Pakistanis tested the Chinese Z-10 and found it not suitable for them. I think it was something about the engine overheating in the Pakistani landscape or some other problem? That's how they went for the Atak.
The main problems of the Z-10 helicopter were the overheating engine and sensors. That's how I remember it. Combat vehicles mature at the front. It is impossible to do a perfect job the first time.

Even with an infantry rifle, like the MPT-76, you wouldn't believe what problems we encountered! It would be derived from an expired design (AR-10 platform), easy at first glance, right?

But technical drawings do not say anything about materials science and production details. :) Even the MPT-76 is still being improved. If you think about it for complex vehicles such as helicopters, you can perceive the process that has to go through.

That's why meticulous honest allies like Pakistan are so valuable.
 
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The main problems of the Z-10 helicopter were the overheating engine and sensors. That's how I remember it. Combat vehicles mature at the front. It is impossible to do a perfect job the first time.

Even with an infantry rifle, like the MPT-76, you wouldn't believe what problems we encountered! It would be derived from an expired design (AR-10 platform), easy at first glance, right?

But technical drawings do not say anything about materials science and production details. :) Even the MPT-76 is still being improved. If you think about it for complex vehicles such as helicopters, you can perceive the process that has to go through.

That's why meticulous honest allies like Pakistan are so valuable.
Remember the Americans when they first made the M16. It was a massive failure in Vietnam! But then they kept improving it to the point where the M16A1 was a pretty nice rifle!

Pakistan also has a lot of chances to try the weapons on insurgents. Of course Turkey has too,but Pakistan is a different army,different place,different climate etc. You know it.
 

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