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Iron Shrappenel

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Personally, I can't answer that, in the sense that I don't know what traces of decisions taken, and links to the consequences, are available in the software.

But for my own curiousity, could I ask what an observer has gathered of events so far?
My man, I'm asking the same question... Or did you accidentally quote me ?
I have no idea what's going on honestly. I just want to see the gameplay.
 

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My man, I'm asking the same question... Or did you accidentally quote me ?
I have no idea what's going on honestly. I just want to see the gameplay.
Ah, oh.

So most people don't know what has happened so far? That's a little disconcerting. 12 hours have passed, from 4 am to 4 pm. I wonder what can be done about this.
 

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I agree.

The simulator partly makes amends for its inability to grade the ability of pilots in 1st, 2nd and 3rd waves, by insisting on lesser numbers of aircraft from those surviving being available in each successive wave. Quality is substituted by quantity. Actually, it is not a continuous process of degradation of quantity, only the first and second waves are distinguished, after that, the percentage of aircraft remaining stays constant between one wave and the next.


Logical, but hard to quantify. Or to compute as a substitute.

That means that we should either have a fixed pattern that determines the quantity of aircraft in successive waves, and simulates what percentage of each wave is destroyed, OR can compute a systematic degradation of quality, and determines the arithmetic of each wave through applying this updated quality calculation.

Don't know if that makes sense.

Thank you for detailed answer.

May be RED FLAG Aggressor Squadron operations can be taken as a guide.

Any how its a complicated matter!

Hours - we started around 4am local time and are now at 4pm.

There has to be a Summery of Operations for the all of us..

13-14 hrs of War

We need an Article as likes of Kaiser tufail (27-Feb-19 operations) where it could be described for all of us.
 
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Thank you for detailed answer.

May be RED FLAG Aggressor Squadron operations can be taken as a guide.

Any how its a complicated matter!



There has to be a Summery of Operations for the all of us..

13-14 hrs of War

We need an Article as likes of Kaiser tufail (27-Feb-19 operations) where it could be described for all of us.
In the first 12 hours of a possibly three year war?

If you can persuade Generalissimo @Desert Fox 1 , I suppose a War Journal could be maintained.

Go for it.
 

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@SQ8 hasn't been posting the detailed events of battles, losses and expenditures, pictures and screen shots like he did in the previous thread, perhaps the load on him is too high?

Ah, oh.

So most people don't know what has happened so far? That's a little disconcerting. 12 hours have passed, from 4 am to 4 pm. I wonder what can be done about this.
Has anything happened in the last 12 hours!?
 

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@SQ8 hasn't been posting the detailed events of battles, losses and expenditures, pictures and screen shots like he did in the previous thread, perhaps the load on him is too high?


Has anything happened in the last 12 hours!?
All that has happened WAS in the last 12 hours. The last 12 simulator hours.
 

SQ8

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Too all - yes, I have not had the chance to be as detailed as before for reasons known to the sim teams.

A more pressing focus in life that is not letting me spend the 5-6 hours I need to build those narratives and post them here.

So, call it a hiatus or “season 1”
But will return to this whenever things settle from their more colicky situation right now.
 

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.... @Joe Shearer @Desert Fox 1 .. what did happen.. would be good to hear your side of the story.
 

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6PM - Pakistan time. September 16 2026


Its barely been 18 hours to hostilities and The escalation ladder keeps climbing with both sides ravaging each other.

What began with airstrikes now has Cruise and ballistic missiles flying around against all targets with devastating results. Aircraft have been badly mauled for both by the long range SAM systems so they have been held back other than some desperate PAF attempts to take out India's S-400 units.
On the Pakistani side, they came up with a unique way of utilizing their long range MLRS units to take out Indian AD - with pretty decent results along with crating a lot of IAF forward air bases.

The results have been somewhat successful for the Pakistani coastal SSM Harba and Zarb batteries with them fulfilling their A2/AD mission and sinking no less than 3 Indian Frigates from the forward Task Forces who have been forced to pull back.

However one thing is clear, Loitering weapons and UAVs are the weapon of choice in this costly war and manned aircraft suffer greatly especially due to the loss of life with pilots.

Both sides now are looking to wear each others land forces down before they meet face to face and plans are in motion.

The total losses so far from the first shot fired should paint a picture of the devastation caused in such a short time.


SIDE: India
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LOSSES:
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8x 40mm/70 Single Bofors [Flycatcher Mk1 FCR]
2x A/C Hangar (2x Large Aircraft)
1x A/C Hangar (2x Medium Aircraft)
1x A/C Hardened Aircraft Shelter (1x Large Aircraft)
1x AH-64E Apache Guardian
11x Akash
15x Ammo Revetment
6x BMP-2 Sarath [AT-5 Spandrel A] IFV
15x Brahmos Blk II [Land-Attack]
5x Brahmos Blk III [Land-Attack]
2x Building (Control Tower)
1x Building (Very Large)
12x David's Sling TEL
1x EMB-145I AEWC
1x F 31 Brahmaputra [Mod Godavari]
1x Gulfstream III
3x Harop TEL
3x Harpy TEL
12x HISAR-A TEL
2x HQ Div (Soviet Red Army)
12x Hyunmoo 2C [Conventional 500kg HE] TEL
2x Il-78MKI Midas
2x Jaguar IS [Darin 2]
14x Jaguar IS [Darin 3]
13x LCA Tejas Mk1
9x MiG-21bis UPG Fishbed N [Bison]
14x MiG-29UPG Fulcrum A
7x Mirage 2000-5EDA
8x Mirage 2000H-5
1x P 28 Kamorta [Pr.28]
2x P 61 Kora [Pr.25A Khukri]
1x P-8I Neptune [Poseidon]
1x Radar (GRL 600 Indra 1)
1x Radar (Master-T)
1x Radar (Spoon Rest D [P-18])
2x Radar (THD-1955 MPR)
3x Radar (Tin Shield A [5N59])
1x Radar (TRS 2215)
12x Rafale C
2-3x S 44 Shishumar [Type 209-1500]
1x S 55 Sindhughosh [PL-877E Kilo]
9x SA-16 Gimlet [9K310 Igla-1] MANPADS
2x SA-19 Grisom [2S6M] TELAR
4x SA-21a Growler TEL
11x SA-21a/b Growler TEL
6x SA-3b Goa Quad Rail
6x SA-7a Grail [9K32 Strela-2] MANPADS
8x Su-30MKI Flanker H
10x Su-30MKI Mk2 Flanker H
11x Su-30MKI Mk2 Flanker H
2x Vehicle (Barak I VLS [8 Cells])
2x Vehicle (Cheese Board [96L6])
3x Vehicle (EL/M-2084 MMR)
2x Vehicle (ELINT [Advanced])
1x Vehicle (ELINT [Average])
4x Vehicle (EOS)
2x Vehicle (Flat Face B [P-19])
5x Vehicle (Flycatcher Mk1)
1x Vehicle (Flycatcher Mk2)
3x Vehicle (Grave Stone [92N2])
4x Vehicle (KALKAN-II)
2x Vehicle (Low Blow [SNR-125])
1x Vehicle (Mirador Tri-Sensor Turret)
3x Vehicle (Rajendra)
4x Vehicle (Truck, C2/C3)
4x Vehicle (Truck, Unarmed)

SIDE: Pakistan
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LOSSES:
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8x 30mm China LD-2000 [Type 730]
8x 35mm Twin Oerlikon [UAR-1021 Skyguard FCR]
2x 35mm/90 PGZ-07 SPAAG
1x A/C Hangar (2x Large Aircraft)
4x A/C Hangar (2x Medium Aircraft)
7x A/C Hardened Aircraft Shelter (1x Large Aircraft)
1x A/C Hardened Aircraft Shelter (1x Medium Aircraft)
3x Al Khalid [MBT-2000] Main Battle Tank
1x Ammo Shelter
2x Anka-I ELINT Mod
3x AvGas (150k Liter Tank)
6x AvGas (75k Liter Tank)
2x Bayraktar Akinci UCAV
1x Building (Airport Terminal)
1x Building (Control Tower)
3x C-802 Triple
7x F-16A Falcon ADF
11x F-16AM Falcon MLU
2x F-16B Falcon ADF
4x F-16BM Falcon MLU
1x F-16CJ Blk 52+ Falcon [Peace Drive]
4x F-16DJ Blk 52+ Falcon [Peace Drive]
2x F-7MP Skybolt [F-7PG]
4x Anka[Star]
8x HQ-16A [LY-80] TEL
2x HQ-17 TELAR
16x HQ-9A TEL
8x HQ-9B TEL
7x J-10C Vigorous Dragon
21x JF-17 Thunder Blk 2
6x JF-17 Thunder Blk 3
3x JF-17B Thunder Blk 2
11x M113A1 APC
3x Mirage 5D
2x Mirage 5DR
10x Mirage 5F [ROSE II/III]
4x Mirage 5PA2
3x Mistral MANPADS
18x MQM-74C Chukar II UAV
1x P-3C Orion Update II
1x PD.808GE2
4x R.440 Crotale NG
1x Radar (AN/TPS-77)
1x Radar (China YLC-2V)
1x Radar (MPDR-45)
3x RB 70 Rayrider Mk1 MANPADS
1x S 139 Improved Khalid [Agosta 90B]
1x Saab 2000 AEW&C [Erieye]
3x SY-400 MLRS
1x Vehicle (1L269 Krasuha-2 Mobile Jammer+ELINT)
4x Vehicle (China HT-233 [HQ-9])
1x Vehicle (China Type 352 Square Tie)
4x Vehicle (China YLC-2V)
4x Vehicle (Truck, Unarmed)
3x Vehicle (UAR-1021 Skyguard)
1x Y-8F-400 Cub [ZDK-03 Karakoram Eagle]

NOTE: SAMs have been brutal but so as been EW and ELINT in find them.
What is key to note is every move and countermove is being executed as if in real time but planned in advance - this belies the actual real time processing of data by humans and the inevitable errors and hesitation that goes into decision making.



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And PLEASE - none of the political whining.

This war is brutal - with hundreds of elements and targets involved and multiple air, land and sea forces engaging in all theatres including the electronic one.
Satellites pass overhead as well.

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Just doing a quick air losses tally

INDIA: 102 - 1/6th of combat fleet!

Pakistan: 89 1/3rd of combat fleet!

That is ridiculous. Definitely the standard tactics no longer apply with Long range SAMS dotting across both countries
 

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Plenty of lessons for an amateur like me. I'll list them down here someday once we are over with the exercise....or...i was thinking that i would keep on posting them regularly so that they are not lose in the sands of time.
 

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