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The Battle Of Chawinda

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    The crushing defeat of the Pakistani 1st Armoured Division and the he inability of the Indian Army to vault the BRB Canal stalemated the Lahore front. The Indians turned their attention to the main thrust, called Operation 'Nepal', in the Sialkot sector. The aim of the attack was to seize the key Grand Trunk Road around Wazirabad. The striking force of the Indian 1st Corps was the 1st Armoured Division supported by the 14th Infantry and 6thh Mountain divisions. The infantry seized the border area on 7 September: realising the threat, the Pakistani rushed two regiments of their 6th Armoured Division from Chhamb to the Sialkot sector to support the Pakistani 7th Infantry Division there. These units, plus an independent tank destroyer squadron, amounted to 135 tanks; 24 M47 and M48 Pattons, about 15 M36B1s and the remainder Shermans. The majority of the Pattons belonged to the new 25th Cavalry commanded by Lt. Col. Nisar, which was sent to the Chawinda area. :thumbsup:

    The lead elements of the Indian drive fought their way into Phillaura, but were pushed back out towards Gadgor for a loss of 15 tanks. Both sides licked their wounds for two days, engaging in sporadic infantry forays and artillery duels. The next attack on 11 September was spearheaded by the 17th Poona Horse commanded by Lt. Col. Tarapore. The Centurions :2GUNS: were bought under fire by recoilless rifles and tanks, and he command tank was knocked out. :BVICTORY: The skirmished between the 25th Cavalry and the Poona Horse lasted 12 hours, and in the dust and chaos it became difficult to distinguish one side from the other. The Indians made the ludicrous claim of 67 Pakistani tanks destroyed, which was well in excess of the total number in the area at the time :P :D :P . The outnumbered Pakistani forces were obliged to withdraw to Chawinda, where they awaited the next attack. On 13 September, the Poona Horse and Hodson's Horse began combined infantry-tank attacks against Jassoran. The engagements lasted for two days, with the climactic battle being fought on 16 September, when the Poona Horse supported a Gharwal Infantry Battalion attacking the small village of Butur Dograndi. The Indian attack was broken up by Maj. Raza Khan's 'C' Sqn, 25th Cavalry supported by Pakistani anti-tank teams firing Cobra missiles. :clapping: The commander of the 17th Poona Horse, Lt. Col. A.B. Tarapore, was killed when his second command tank was hit, and the attack faltered :W00T: . Two British journalists who visited one of the Patton squadrons :W00T: of the 25the Cavalry after the ceasefire counted 25 burned-out :banana: :W00T: :2GUNS: Centurions in a three-mile stretch near Chawinda even after the Indians had begun retrieving destroyed vehicles . Of these, 11 were in a field no more than 800 yards across - a grim testimony to the intensity of these encounters. The Pakistanis admitted losing 44 tanks in the Sialkot sector, but claimed 120 Indian tanks, and the British journalists saw no reason to doubt them. :thumbsup:

    Following the war India admitted losing 128 tanks, and this probably consisted of about a dozen in the Lahore sector, a similar number in the Chhamb area, and the remainder in the Sialkot sector. Both sides claimed an excess of 400 tank kills on the ground and about 100 from the air attacks, which is clearly excessive.
    The Patton emerged from the Indo-Pakistan War of 1965 with a tarnished reputation. The fiasco at Asal Uttar was the source of the disparagement, though a contributory factor was the exaggerated esteem in which the Patton had been held by both the Indian and Pakistani soldier before the war. In the Sialkot sector outnumbered Pattons performed exceedingly well in the hands of the 25th Cavalry and other regiments of the 6th Armoured Division, which exacted a disproportionately heavy toll of Centurions from the Poona Horse and Hodson's Horse. :bounce: The Indian Army has made much of the fact that some of its Centurions survived repeated hits; yet have failed to point out that the majority of tanks in the Sialkot sector were Shermans whose guns were inadequate even in 1944. :D In The Battle Of Chawinda 1965 war Pakistan 25th Cavalry at Chawinda,performed very well where they defeated they defeated their better equipped but clumsier foes (the indians ).
     
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    Indian captured Centuorion tank

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    Indian captured AMX tanks now on display somewhere in Pakistan

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    A captured Indian Centurion Tank now on display

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    A group of Indian captured AMX 13 tanks Pakistan army used indian own tanks against them :W00T:

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    pakistani soldier guards a burnt out indian tank

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    Another Captured Indian Tank
     
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    Foreign journalist examining a centurion tank left by the indians while retreating
     
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    Captured Indian AMX tank

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    An indian tank left behind by the indians

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    Foreign journalists examining a captured indian centurion tank

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    Pakistani forces dashing towards the front to meet the enemy :pakistan:

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    Pakistani infantry and armour division in action :army:
     
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    Indian tanks left abandoned after they retreated, beaten badly in Chawinda Sector by Pak Army.

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    Indian tanks captured during the battle of Chawinda.

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    Two more CaPTURED indian AMX 13 tanks

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    A kid Makes a victory sign infront of the captured indian tank

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    Sialkot sector an officer chatting with an old farmer over a left behind indian tank :taz:
     
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    It was also the biggest tank battle fought after the World War 2 Pakistani 25 cavalary regiment supported by 14 Baloch regiment fought valantly and brought glory to Pakistan .Indian army tanks abandoned their tanks after they retreated, beaten badly in Chawinda Sector by Pak Army :2GUNS:
     
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    How come we didnt win the war ? :army: :pakistan:
     
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    Major General Rajinder Singh Sparrow MVC, GOC 1st Armoured Division, leans on a captured Pakistani Patton tank in this rare color photograph, after the Battle of Assal Uttar (True Answer). It is here where Pakistan&#39;s 1st Armoured Division, consisting of American-supplied Patton tanks, suffered a humiliating defeat from the Indian Army.

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    These captured Pakistani paratroopers of the 19th Baluch Regiment were specially trained for commando duties and were assigned the task of destroying the Pathankot airfield. Many of the large number of paratroopers rounded up at various places in the country have confessed that their object was to destroy vital installations.

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    The Taste of Defeat: The superiority of Pakistan&#39;s western aid armament did not match the skill and valour of the Indian jawans. In this image the bodies of Pak Army soldiers lie in front of a captured Pakistani Sherman tank.

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    A group of Pakistani prisoners in Indian hands following an encounter in the Lahore sector.

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    The Pakistan Army&#39;s elite 1 Armoured Corps met its Waterloo in the Battle of Assal Uttar as they lost nearly 100 tanks, many of them being brand new M-48 Pattons. Bhikiwind was used as a temporary tank cemetery to house some 60 captured & destroyed M-48 Pattons, M-24 Chafees and M4 Shermans. The cemetery stood as a standing memorial to Pakistan&#39;s humiliating defeat in the battle of Assal Uttar.

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    The Indian tricolour flies atop Barkee police station, as an Indian jawan stands guard.

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    Indian Jawans pose in front of Barkee police station - a town near Lahore.

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    Abandoned Pak Army Pattons captured in the wheat fields of Mahmudpura, in the Khem Karan sector. The farmers had to wait for the arrival of the EME (Electrical & Mechanical Engineers) to move the Pak Army tanks, so they could do their work. However at times, the farmers used to work around these tanks.

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    Six Pattons at Bhikiwind. All captured tanks were carefully numbered and accounted for by the Ordnance Corps. Later on, they were allocated as &#39;War Trophies&#39; to different units / formations all over India.

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    Pak Army tanks lined up at Patton Nagar, as far as the eye can see. Patton Nagar was in Bhikiwind, 25 miles from Amritsar, for only a few months after the 1965 war.

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    A panoramic image of Patton Nagar, with the Patton tanks of Pakistan&#39;s elite First Armoured Division lined up for display at Bikhiwind, 25 miles from Amritsar.

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    As far as the eye can see, Pak Army tanks are lined up for display at Patton Nagar in Bikhiwind.

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    These were some of the images from 1965 war. Tell me if anybody is interested in the whole series and pics from 1971 war.

    Now something to be proud from the various Indian Cities.

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    Captured Pakistani "Walker Bull Dog" Tank. Probably during the 1965 War in the Chamb sector at Tank Museum, Armoured Corps Center and School, Ahmednagar.

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    Pakistani Patton tank at Ambala.

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    This M-10 Tank Destroyer is believed to be a captured Pakistani example. This Tank Destroyer is on display at the Rock Garden in Chandigarh.

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    An M-47 Patton preserved at Pathankot Air Force Station

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    An M-47 Patton tank displayed opposite the Army Supply Corps Center main gate.

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    A captured Pakistani T-59 tank from Longewala is one of the two displayed at the IAF Museum in Palam

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    The first place to visit in Hyderabad for relics is the Rotary Park on Tank Bund. The Bund was an old dam constructed in the sixteenth century to save water in the Hussain Sagar Tank. Since then the bund itself became a road and at one end of this busy throughfare is the Rotary Park. A platform near the Rotary park displays a Pakistani M-47 Patton tank installed there by 54 Infantry Division way back in 1974.

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    An M-47 Patton was recently winched out of the interior of AOC Center, Picket and is now displayed at a Public Roundabout.

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    A man cycles past a Pakistani tank, An M-24 Chafee captured by Indian forces during the 1971 war at the entrance to an army base in Jammu 09 June 2002. Various Pakistani tanks captured by the Indian forces during previous wars are decoratively placed outside the entrances of the respective division headquarters which captured them.

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    An M48 Patton captured from the Pak 1 Armoured Division in the 1965 War, on display outside the Cadets Mess at NDA.

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    This Pristine M47 Patton on display outside the main building is be a captured Pakistani example from 1965 War. This tank is ex-6 Armoured Division.

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    Sherman Mk II of the 6th Pak Armoured Division captured in 1965. This is on display outside the main building - on either side of the Gnat.

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    :idiot: all of the above images are of The BAttle of ASAL UTTAR and if ur not blind its written CHawinda Chawinda was the worlds biggest tank battle after ww2 it was fought near Sialkot and pakistan won a comprehensive victory though Pakistani forces were outnumbered heavely by the Indian there was only one pakistani armour regiment fighting with Indian 1st Corps which was the 1st Armoured Division supported by the 14th Infantry and 6thh Mountain divisions.
    The Indian attack was broken up by Maj. Raza Khan&#39;s &#39;C&#39; Sqn, 25th Cavalry supported by Pakistani anti-tank teams firing Cobra missiles. The commander of the 17th Poona Horse, Lt. Col. A.B. Tarapore, was killed when his second command tank was hit, and the attack faltered . Two British journalists who visited one of the Patton squadrons of the 25the Cavalry after the ceasefire counted 25 burned-out Centurions in a three-mile stretch near Chawinda even after the Indians had begun retrieving destroyed vehicles . Of these, 11 were in a field no more than 800 yards across - a grim testimony to the intensity of these encounters. The Pakistanis admitted losing 44 tanks in the Sialkot sector, but claimed 120 Indian tanks, and the British journalists saw no reason to doubt them.

    The pictures which u posted are of the battle of asal uttar in which too Pakistani forces were heavely outnumbered still they manage to loose less tanks as much u lost in Chawinda . :love:
     
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    Why can&#39;t you guys accept the fact that India lost more tanks, more men, and were forced to cease. Pakistan couldn&#39;t occupy a huge ***, so it was agreed with the cease fire that led India to meet our demands.
     
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    That is because in Phillora & Chawinda which was the responsibility of IA’s I Corps (1st Armd Div (IA) was fighting 6th Armd Div (PA). The tank losses were as under:-
    PA tank losses – 170 (including 11 captured by IA intact and 32 damaged).
    IA losses – 29 (excluding 41 damaged that were recovered and repaired after the war).
     
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    LoL&#33; how can you be so sure about the figures miro said different figures and another Indian fella has different opinions regarding figures it means that none of you got any idea about it.

    WebMaster Edit: Respect everyones opinions please, dont get personal. Keep it cool.
     
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    VisionHawk,
    The figures given by me are from 8th Sept till 22nd Sept. Various sources give different figures that vary slightly.

    On 8th Sept Pakistani 25 Cav played a crucial role in confusing and stopping the Indian 1 Armd Div. Thereafter the whole Pakistani 6th Armd Div joined the battle, which turned into a slogging match.
    http://www.defencejournal.com/2001/mar/chawinda.htm