Bangladesh will try to be militarily neutral in India-Pakistan conflict. Depending on the exact situation they could appease India by providing political and diplomatic supportThis thread has taken a retarded turn.
In what planet will you ever see BAF piloted Tejas over the Thar?
Bangladesh is concerned about Bangaldesh.
It appears that there is focus on the economy and human development above all else.
As such, maximum avoidance of conflict.
@Baibars_1260 This obsession about India/BD versus PK future scenario is bizarre.
is there any real proof bangladesh supports india militarily ?Couid we focus on the topic please?
1. Pakistan and Bangladesh are two separate sovereign countries with no shared border or territorial disputes.
2. There are no strategic clash of interests between Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Why then is Bangladesh hostile to Pakistan, and why does its armed forces ally with Pakistan's enemy?
Why does Bangladesh make statements on Kashmir when that disputed territory is a bilateral matter between India and Pakistan?
In what "planet" did we see Bangladeshi troops marching in the Indian Republic Day Parade ?In what planet will you ever see BAF piloted Tejas over the Thar?
Never dreamt that two South Asian nations with the second and third largest Muslim populations would be talking of nuking each other but unfortunately the scenario is possible.It seems you are the only one with the nukes.
For every one of your "points": So what?In what "planet" did we see Bangladeshi troops marching in the Indian Republic Day Parade ?
In what "planet" did we see the BAF Air Chief flying in an IAF Tejas ?
In what "planet" have we seen BN and IN naval exercises?
In what "planet " have we seen
BA and IA joint exercises ?
In what "planet" have we seen the BA Army Chief attend as chief guest, the passing out parade of the Indian Military Academy in Dehra Dun ?
In what "planet " have we seen the BA Army Chief attend as chief guest the passing out parade of Indian National Defence Academy?
In what "planet " do senior BAF and IAF officials meet to discuss exercises
So in the same "planet " we are likely to see a BAF piloted Tejas or Mig 29 over Thar which is far more lightly defended than further north
War gaming and "What if " scenarios is how any nation perceives threats .
As I said in my earlier post. We are one millionth your GDP and are likely to slip to a billionth of your GDP. We are not bothered because your chief product is RMG and your prime expertise is tailoring, When you develop sufficient expertise to point a nuclear tipped IRBM on us like India does then we will worry.
Meanwhile a few BAF piloted Tejas is all we have to worry about from Bangladesh.
There are far more serious threats for which we have the kalma e shuhuda on our lips.
Meanwhile you could do your own "What ifs ..." , a 20 kt baby landing in Motijheel.
Bro just leave it, They cant even take their beloved Kashmir from India and they want to nuke Bangladesh.For every one of your "points": So what?
None of that means anything.
As for the armed conflict between Pakistan and Bangladesh that you seem to be fetishizing here, of course Bangladesh doesn't match up in the conventional sense.
But military prowess clearly isn't Bangladesh's priority.
I certainly am not anti-Pakistan.
However, I AM anti Pakistanis like you.
Also maulana, you have no ownership on the Kalima.
Absurdly ironic as well given your worldview.
Again, in no way shape or form will Bangladesh materially help India in any conflict with Pakistan.
Certainly not in the form of pilots participating in the conflict.
But you and your ilk here feel free to carry on this circlejerk of a thread.
I need something to read while I chill.
Is that all you can say ?For every one of your "points": So what?
What does it mean ?None of that means anything.
No we are not "fetishizing" . Bangladesh is no threat to Pakistan alone, but you will be a threat ( a minor one ), when fighting piggy back with your ally, which is what you have done before; which is what you will do again and which is what you are preparing for. Preparing for with training, exercises, exchange of intelligence, and open solidarity in spectacular march past parades .As for the armed conflict between Pakistan and Bangladesh that you seem to be fetishizing here, of course Bangladesh doesn't match up in the conventional sense.
Obviously. Why give priority to "military prowess" when you have access to piggybacking on the fourth largest conventional and nuclear power in the world.But military prowess clearly isn't Bangladesh's priority.
I am not anti-Bengali either. I speak a little of the language, understand street Bengali ( West ), and enjoy Bengali music, theater and movies.I certainly am not anti-Pakistan.
However, I AM anti Pakistanis like you.
Sarcasm seems to escape you.Also maulana, you have no ownership on the Kalima.
Absurdly ironic as well given your worldview.
How do you know? Your armed forces successfully defeated us fighting alongside India before.Again, in no way shape or form will Bangladesh materially help India in any conflict with Pakistan.
Really ? Like in Operation Kilo Flight ?Certainly not in the form of pilots participating in the conflict.
The Bangladesh factor in a future Pakistan India conflict.
Can Bangladeshi "neutrality" be taken for granted?
Is it far fetched to assume Bangladesh is not neutral, and does pose a very minuscule but still possible threat to Pakistan?
Let's look at the facts:
1.0 Overall picture:
Bangladesh has supported India in all its military actions against Pakistan since 1971.
2.0 Military interoperability and alliance:
Bangladesh and India have a formal economic and military alliance , and a complete interoperability and mutual logistics support amongst their armed forces. Bangladesh and Indian armed forces ( particularly the Bangladeshi Navy) exercise and war game with their Indian armed forces counterparts regularly with an undisguised identification of who the "enemy " is.
A large batch of Bangladeshi army officers graduate from India's defense academies ( NDA, Khadakvasla, Indian Military Academy, Dehradun, OTS Madras, ) as well as undergoing advanced training at institutions such as Wellington Staff College. Sharing common equipment BAF maintenance and flying personnel are regularly trained in India.,
2.0 The diplomatic angle:
The Indian Pakistan military confrontations ( Siachen 1985, Operation Brasstacks 1987, Kargil 1999, 2002, 2019, LOC shelling ) have nowhere involved Bangladesh or in anyway affected Bangladeshi security, yet diplomatically Bangladesh has completely sided with India both at international forums such as the UN (or what's left of SAARC ) and on a one on one level echoing the Indian foreign ministry statements and condemning Pakistan.
3.0 Bangladeshi military activity against Pakistan
So far Bangladesh has limited its activity mainly to observers such as during Operations Brass Tacks (1987). Also the BAF takes a keen interest in downed Pakistani military aircraft such as the recovered debris of the PN Breguet Atlantic shot down inside Pakistani airspace by an IAF Mig 21 in 1999.
4. Open threats to Pakistan :
Particularly in 2019 and also before, there have threats made by the foreign office of Bangladesh against Pakistan, echoing the Indian Ministry of Defense and senior Indian Military officers. The threats have been made by the Bangladesh Foreign office only , unlike their ally where chiefs of the three armed forces wings have usually issued threats The Bangladeshi COAS, BAF, ACM, and BN Admiralty have not been making any comments so far.
But why would Bangladesh get involved in an Indian conflict with Pakistan. The simple answer in theory is that there is a mutual defense pact which is supposed to work both ways and India can ask Bangladesh and Bhutan ( and possibly Nepal) to join in a coalition in a war with Pakistan.
The next question is why would India want to involve Bangladesh and Bhutan in a war against Pakistan and would Bangladesh agree.
The answer is that for propaganda purposes India would very much like to have Bangladeshi forces fighting alongside ( deja vu 1971) even though Indian armed forces commanders know that the real impact of Bangladesh's participation in a war with Pakistan would be minimal. Showing a "coalition" is a great diplomatic and psychological warfare feat. Other countries have done this such as the USA who frequently coopts allies in its wars even though their contribution is minimal.
The USA brought Mongolian troops to fight in Iraq as part of the "coalition". The presence of the Mongols ( all 100 of them) was to demoralize the Iraqis recalling the sack of Baghdad by Hulaku Khan in 1258 C.E. The Mongol contingent left after several of their troops were killed by Iraqi resistance.
It's the famous "Us vs You" psychological stance.
Reasons for Bangladesh to join a war against Pakistan:
Economic, diplomatic and political compulsions do produce far fetched scenarios such as the current turn around by most Arab states in favor of Israel. As discussed elsewhere Bangladesh has a severe land and population problem and the solution lies in having open borders with India for population migration. Given the Hindutva rhetoric in India the only way Bangladesh can win over Indian nationalist sentiment is by being more "Hindutva" than the RSS itself.
Since the prime target of Hindutva are Pakistan and Indian Muslims (both of which Bangladesh hates) it makes sense from a strategic point of view to symbolically join the war against Pakistan. Hopefully as a staunch ally a merger with India ( Sikkim style) will be more palatable to a Hindu majority India than it was in 1972 and 1975. The Hindutva regime in India would be closer to their dream of a greater India and it would ensure the Modi regime and its successor Yogi Aditynaths regime a solid electoral foundation going forward for centuries.
( Note: We could discuss Bangladesh's issues in separate thread)
The war game:
We have already war gamed the India Pakistan ultimate showdown scenario and how the war would escalate into a nuclear blood bath so this article is confined to a limited war initiated and planned by the India Bangladesh Axis for a diplomatic and military humiliation of Pakistan where the war would be brief and limited holding the threshold just short of a full Pakistani collapse where Pakistan would use nuclear weapons as a last desperate act of retaliation.
It's a different topic but the war would only be waged when Bangladesh and India believe that Pakistan is sufficiently isolated from its traditional West Asian alliance and economically weakened through international sanctions.
Bangladesh's contribution to India's war effort.
Realistically what would be Bangladesh's contribution to India's military actions on Pakistan's eastern borders.
A few BAF Su 30s would probably be flying operations in support of the IAF within Indian airspace . Much of the BAF support would be from transport aircraft as both India and Bangladesh fly C130Js. BAF Mil 17s would probably pitch in. It is doubtful given the training and lack of war experience that BAF would carry out air strikes inside Pakistan, unless they can miraculously come with worthy successors to Rafique and Saiful Azam.
Bangladesh Navy would probably be assisting Indian Navy operations in the Palk Straits trying to intercept Pakistani maritime traffic en-route to China
Army support :
Bangladesh would probably like to avoid casualties hoping for a grand re-enactment of 1971 with the heavy lifting done by India.
BA units are unlikely to be involved in direct fighting especially as there is a severe danger of heavy casualties from a tactical nuclear strike. A few BA units might be positioned as reserves in the rear to function as an occupation force once a portion of the front collapses. India would like to keep the occupied areas under "Muslim" alliance control as their armor moves deeper towards other objectives.
Hopefully the presence of Muslim troops will deter a partisan Mujahid resistance.
The ultimate war game
Pakistan does not share borders with Bangladesh and so there are fewer ways Pakistan can retaliate in a limited conflict. Bangladesh's forces have a huge advantage operating from friendly Indian territory.
. Pakistani submarines would doubtless target Bangladeshi commercial maritime traffic through the Arabian sea and BAF aircraft operating in Indian airspace would be fair game. Bangladesh Army units stationed in the rear of the IB within artillery and MRLS range would definitely be targeted.
We could war game a huge number of scenarios elsewhere but to conclude with the question:
In an ultimate Apocalypse Pakistan would be targeting Kolkata. Would Pakistan strike Dhaka and the rest of Bangladesh as well, knowing that the vast majority of the civilian deaths would be of our so called "brethren in faith" ?
@AvicennaLOL, no one in Pakistan gives an Eff to what side Bangali's would take, besides we already know
We have been monitoring Bengali social media for a long time. This is obviously beyond the scopes of our fellow PDF forum members. Young Pakistanis hardly think beyond fancy hardwares, Afghanistan, cricket and IT career these days. Our policy makers in Islamabad still suffer from a "guilty feeling" towards East Pakistan and that is also why they usually refrain from making anything public. Then you have those secular /neo-liberal Pakistanis ( former Indo-Soviet agents) who want to hand Pakistan over to NGOs.Pakistanis should learn Bengali and monitor the social media to know the trends.