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Just days after India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was granted authorization to begin production of the LCA Mk 2 fighter jet, new reports indicate that several countries have expressed interest in the Indian light combat aircraft.

About 16 countries have approached India to seek details of the next-generation Tejas Mk2 fighter aircraft, News 18 reported citing unnamed government officials. The model of the aircraft was displayed at the Defense Expo 2022.

The report added that the government was also working on identifying other private agencies to increase the combat aircraft production rate amid heightened demand. Last month, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), which is led by the Prime Minister and the Defense Minister, gave its nod to the LCA Mk2 combat aircraft.

“There is a huge push from the central government on increasing the production rate of the aircraft with India already getting inquiries about the aircraft from 16 countries,” LCA Mk2 Project Director at Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) Dr. V Madhusudana Rao told News18 on the sidelines of the DefExpo-2022. “
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The official said that the government has pushed for reducing the cost of the aircraft and rapid production to boost the export potential of the fighter. India has been looking to export its indigenously developed LCA Tejas, however, it has not been successful in its attempt so far despite negotiations in advanced stages with countries like Malaysia.

The ADA Chief also recently told News 18 that “HAL can meet the requirement of the Indian Armed Forces. HAL can be the lead integrator, responsible for putting together all major parts and systems and doing the flight testing and delivery.

But beyond that, the private partnership will be required.” The private partnership could give a much-needed fillip to aircraft manufacturing undertaken by HAL.

According to government estimates, the aircraft will be ready for roll-out by the end of December 2023, and the first prototype of the fighter will take to the skies a year later in 2024. Once the first flight is successful, three more prototypes will be subsequently produced.

Further, the initial set of key weapons will be, by design, integrated into the aircraft before concluding the complete flight testing, including the wing tip missile and two to four Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles.
Defence Expo 22 | LCA Mark-II | Program Director Dr Madhusudhan Rao
The ADA chief also said, “The long lead component manufacturing for the aircraft has begun. By December 2027, we will be completing the design and development of LCA Mark 2 with complete flight testing for all four prototypes and entering into the production of LCA Mark 2 for the IAF”.

On 18 July, Air Chief Vivek Ram Chaudhari said that the Indian Air Force has already committed to purchasing six squadrons of the Light Combat Aircraft Mark 2 (LCA M2). The phasing out of several fleets of the IAF once their operational cycle is over by 2035 was thoroughly detailed by the IAF chief earlier this month.

The Mk2 variant will replace the aging MiG-29, Mirage-2000s, and Jaguars in the Indian Air Force fleet through the next ten years.
LCA Tejas MK2


 
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Bro not even two dozen countries have not showed up in defence exhibition to see this junk. This shit is older than me and I am 46!!!!


Nice to see that article is generating expected BH. Indian weapons are getting more and more popular. Armenia bought Pinaka, after excellent result of swati. Armenia is interested in Pralay as well. Indian weapons sale is generating desire result. It generates sales revenue and keeps our enemies in Check.
 

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Just days after India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was granted authorization to begin production of the LCA Mk 2 fighter jet, new reports indicate that several countries have expressed interest in the Indian light combat aircraft.

About 16 countries have approached India to seek details of the next-generation Tejas Mk2 fighter aircraft, News 18 reported citing unnamed government officials. The model of the aircraft was displayed at the Defense Expo 2022.

The report added that the government was also working on identifying other private agencies to increase the combat aircraft production rate amid heightened demand. Last month, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), which is led by the Prime Minister and the Defense Minister, gave its nod to the LCA Mk2 combat aircraft.

“There is a huge push from the central government on increasing the production rate of the aircraft with India already getting inquiries about the aircraft from 16 countries,” LCA Mk2 Project Director at Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) Dr. V Madhusudana Rao told News18 on the sidelines of the DefExpo-2022. “

The official said that the government has pushed for reducing the cost of the aircraft and rapid production to boost the export potential of the fighter. India has been looking to export its indigenously developed LCA Tejas, however, it has not been successful in its attempt so far despite negotiations in advanced stages with countries like Malaysia.

The ADA Chief also recently told News 18 that “HAL can meet the requirement of the Indian Armed Forces. HAL can be the lead integrator, responsible for putting together all major parts and systems and doing the flight testing and delivery.

But beyond that, the private partnership will be required.” The private partnership could give a much-needed fillip to aircraft manufacturing undertaken by HAL.

According to government estimates, the aircraft will be ready for roll-out by the end of December 2023, and the first prototype of the fighter will take to the skies a year later in 2024. Once the first flight is successful, three more prototypes will be subsequently produced.

Further, the initial set of key weapons will be, by design, integrated into the aircraft before concluding the complete flight testing, including the wing tip missile and two to four Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles.
Defence Expo 22 | LCA Mark-II | Program Director Dr Madhusudhan Rao
The ADA chief also said, “The long lead component manufacturing for the aircraft has begun. By December 2027, we will be completing the design and development of LCA Mark 2 with complete flight testing for all four prototypes and entering into the production of LCA Mark 2 for the IAF”.

On 18 July, Air Chief Vivek Ram Chaudhari said that the Indian Air Force has already committed to purchasing six squadrons of the Light Combat Aircraft Mark 2 (LCA M2). The phasing out of several fleets of the IAF once their operational cycle is over by 2035 was thoroughly detailed by the IAF chief earlier this month.

The Mk2 variant will replace the aging MiG-29, Mirage-2000s, and Jaguars in the Indian Air Force fleet through the next ten years.
LCA Tejas MK2



There is no logical rationale for any international user to buy the Tejas. It has all of the western import restrictions due to so many western components in the plane (ie not ITAR free), has higher operating costs than the Gripen and F16s, and offers no new military capability that is superior to anything else out there already that makes the effort of taking the risk to buy into a new platform that has been proven by the primary user of that country.

If you could or wanted to buy the Tejas, then why not buy proven aircraft with proven pedigrees like the Gripen or F16 ??? If it was "pure" indian, then India could pitch it as ITAR free, but it is not ....


That is why the JF17 has had more success - it is ITAR free ...

As an international product - the Tejas proposition makes no sense....
 

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There is no logical rationale for any international user to buy the Tejas. It has all of the western import restrictions due to so many western components in the plane (ie not ITAR free), has higher operating costs than the Gripen and F16s, and offers no new military capability that is superior to anything else out there already that makes the effort of taking the risk to buy into a new platform that has been proven by the primary user of that country.

If you could or wanted to buy the Tejas, then why not buy proven aircraft with proven pedigrees like the Gripen or F16 ??? If it was "pure" indian, then India could pitch it as ITAR free, but it is not ....


That is why the JF17 has had more success - it is ITAR free ...

As an international product - the Tejas proposition makes no sense....

My points exactly. Well stated.

For all intensive purposes, this is an "imported" product, not Indian.
 

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There is no logical rationale for any international user to buy the Tejas. It has all of the western import restrictions due to so many western components in the plane (ie not ITAR free), has higher operating costs than the Gripen and F16s, and offers no new military capability that is superior to anything else out there already that makes the effort of taking the risk to buy into a new platform that has been proven by the primary user of that country.

If you could or wanted to buy the Tejas, then why not buy proven aircraft with proven pedigrees like the Gripen or F16 ??? If it was "pure" indian, then India could pitch it as ITAR free, but it is not ....


That is why the JF17 has had more success - it is ITAR free ...

As an international product - the Tejas proposition makes no sense....

F 16 and gripen are top line fighters of their class. However, F 16 costs almost double than Tejas so out of question for many countries like Malaysia. The only quality aircraft left in competition is Gripen C which has equally or even morr imported components. Tejas comes with a great weapon package on which you can integrate any weapon of Indian, Russian, Frenchor Israeli weapon. Astra Mk1, Mk2, Mk3, Rudram 1,2,3, I derby, R77, Python V, Sudarshan, hammer, Gautham, Guruthama etc can be integrated. Its AESA is far superior to KLJ 7. It just cost zbout 60 pc of Saab Gripdn. Its attraction for many countries is irresistible.
 

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Nice to see that article is generating expected BH. Indian weapons are getting more and more popular. Armenia bought Pinaka, after excellent result of swati. Armenia is interested in Pralay as well. Indian weapons sale is generating desire result. It generates sales revenue and keeps our enemies in Check.
No wonder Armenia loses the war. All thanks to made in India and their self delusion. :lol:
 

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Nice to see that article is generating expected BH. Indian weapons are getting more and more popular. Armenia bought Pinaka, after excellent result of swati. Armenia is interested in Pralay as well. Indian weapons sale is generating desire result. It generates sales revenue and keeps our enemies in Check.


I actually wouldn't talk proudly about Armenia buying any weapon system. They are the laughing stock along with your "self launching for no bloody reason at all " weapons system.


In Teja they have self ejecting seats for no bloody reason at all.....
 

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Nice to see that article is generating expected BH. Indian weapons are getting more and more popular. Armenia bought Pinaka, after excellent result of swati. Armenia is interested in Pralay as well. Indian weapons sale is generating desire result. It generates sales revenue and keeps our enemies in Check.
What a comedian! Armenia enough said
 

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There is still a long time before the Mark 2 is built and flown but that does not deter the resident whiners to show up and make statements that they are not qualified to make -- especially since their countries cannot and have not matched India in what it has achieved in aerospace. Anything Tejas ruffles feather even if it is not even made yet.. hope you all have your insecurities soothed early.
 

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India’s defence exports jumps 334% in last 5 years; supplies to 75 countries​

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The Indian defence ecosystem is spreading its arms overseas as military exports have jumped by 334% in the last five years, which involves supplies of arsenals to more than 75 countries around the globe.

With collaborative efforts, India has taken several policy initiatives in the past few years to amplify its indigenous design, development, and manufacture of defence equipment, to make world-class military apparatus.
THE INDIAN DEFENCE SECTOR, THE SECOND LARGEST ARMED FORCE IS AT THE CUSP OF REVOLUTION.

“The Indian Defence sector, the second largest armed force, is at the cusp of revolution. Defence exports grew by 334 per cent in the last five years; India now exporting to over 75 countries due to collaborative efforts,” Press Information Bureau (PIB) mentioned in a tweet.
Notably, India exported around Rs 1,387 crore worth of defence-related exports during the first quarter of the financial year 2022-23 (April-June), data showed. Further, the country’s defence and technology related exports touched the highest-ever figure of Rs 12,815 crore in the financial year 2021-22, a 54.1 per cent rise over the previous year.
It is pertinent to note that the exports in the financial year 2022 were almost eight times what they were about five years back. According to the reports, India’s defence exports were worth Rs 8,434 crore in 2020-21, Rs 9,115 crore in 2019-20 and Rs 2,059 crore in 2015-16. India’s defence exports are mainly to countries like the US, the Philippines and other countries in South-East Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

Boosting Indigenous Manufacturing​

In the past few years, the Government of India has taken various policy initiatives to encourage indigenous manufacturing of defense equipment, thereby promoting self-reliance in defense manufacturing & technology.
The slew of initiatives include priority to the procurement of capital items from domestic sources under Defence Acquisition Procedure (DAP)-2020, the announcement of 18 major defense platforms for industry-led design and development, liberalization of foreign direct investment (FDI) policy allowing 74 per cent investment under the automatic route, among several others.
To minimize import by Defence Public Sector Undertakings (DPSUs), the Department of Defence Production (DDP) has notified three Positive Indigenisation Lists (PIL) of sub-systems/assemblies/sub-assemblies/ components.The first list contains 2,851 items out of which 2,500 items have already been indigenized.
The second list consists of 107 strategic important Line Replacement Units/major sub-assemblies. The third list includes 101 military equipment which will come into effect from December 2022. Strategic defence products including Light Tanks, Helicopters, and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles are the part of indigneous list for which there would be an embargo on the import beyond the timelines indicated against them.
Importantly, two defense industrial corridors have been established — one each in Uttar Pradesh and Tamil Nadu to bolster indigneous manufacturing.

India eyes Rs 35,000 crore exports by 2025​

The Defence Ministry has set a target of Rs 1.75 lakh crore of defence production by 2025, which will include export of Rs 35,000 crore. The major role in achieving this goal with a contribution of 70-80 percent would be done by India’s Defence Public Sector Undertakings (PSUs), Defence Minister Rajnath Singh said earlier this year.
Listing out various initiatives taken by Defence Ministry to achieve self-reliance, Rajnath Singh mentioned that simplification of acquisition process under Defence Acquisition Procedure 2020; flexibility in Offset guidelines; increase in FDI limit to 74% under Automatic Route and up to 100% under government route; simplification of process of obtaining license; launch of Innovations for Defence Excellence (iDEX) initiative and enhanced use of Artificial Intelligence in the defence sector have bolstered the goal to achieve self-reliance.

 

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I met came across someone who operates Tejas of latest standard. He told that it is everything that they wanted with very good reliability and also that the initial lot still have a lot of issues. Didn’t go into details, though I was very keen.

It indicates that the MK 1A would be a pretty sorted out machine. And MK II definitely leagues ahead.

Only worry is about the timelines as promised by HAL and ADA.
 

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No wonder Armenia loses the war. All thanks to made in India and their self delusion. :lol:

Armenia has many options to buy their weapons unlike Pakistan. They can move to any other nation if the redult of Indian weapon is not satisfactory.
 

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I'm not saying tejas is bad but saying any nation is showing interest in MK2 which hasn't even got any prototype built is so ridiculous.
Whoever believes this has no military background and is a civilian/ YouTube watcher. Lol
 

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MK I is good but not good enough for the current threat scenario.

MK IA has to come out good and with decent production rate. That is almost sure considering focus of the current government and HAL can’t make the mess the way they did when the program was started. But it has to still happen.

Claim that countries are showing interest in an aircraft still on the drawing board is a little too much. That would have been acceptable if it was on the drawing board of a well established manufacturer, not HAL.
That’s why MK IA would pave the way towards improving the image, that HAL can deliver a decent, trouble free and capable machine. Nothing to do with comparison with JF-17s (Block I and II) capabilities.

MK IA in itself with its radar and Astra missile variants would give a run for its money to similar fighters in the region.
If MK II is what it is claimed to be, then there would be quite a few potential buyers.

But it is a big IF as of now.
 
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