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Tejas Light Combat Aircraft: The not so Indian fighter

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  1. Rangila

    Rangila SENIOR MEMBER

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    The Air Force has decided to place an order for 100 new and improved Tejas Light Combat Aircraft. However, despite being in the works since 1983, the light fighter is nowhere near indigenization and almost 70% of the aircraft's systems still need to be imported.


    THE FOREIGN CONNECT An audit by the CAG brought out that despite claims that only 35% of the fi ghter depends on foreign systems, the actual figure is closer to 70%.


    Engine: Effort to develop the Kaveri engine failed, forcing the purchase of GE 404 powerplants from the US.

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    >Flight control system actuators: Considerable development delay leads to purchase from foreign sources.

    >Multi-mode radar:

    Joint HAL-LRDE project failed, Israeli company roped in.

    >Radome:

    Initially developed by ASL, failed to meet standards, imported from the UK.



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    THE DEFICIENCIES The Air Force and Comptroller and Auditor General identified the following glaring deficiencies in the fighter:

    >Lack of a trainer:

    The LCA still does not have a certified trainer version to coach pilots.

    >Mission simulator:

    The lack of a full-mission simulator for the aircraft also a hindrance to training.


    > Increased weight, reduced internal fuel capacity, front pilot protection system weakness, reduced speed key deficiencies.

    > Performance issues with the radar warning receiver and counter-measure systems.

    > Original sanction for project was Rs 560 crore that has been increased to Rs 10,397 crore.


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    THE LCA LEGACY In the works since 1983, the LCA project is an example of how things went off target in Indian research and development.

    1983-LCA project sanctioned to replace the MiG 21 fleet. Technical specifi cations framed in 1985.

    1998-Was the target date for the induction with a total projected requirement for 220 fighters.


    2001-The actual first flight of the aircraft took place, five years behind schedule.

    2013-It took an agonising 12 years from first flight to an initial operational clearance in which the aircraft met basic parameters.

    2014-The first LCA is inducted but is still not combat worthy. Several defi ciencies remain, besides incomplete weapons tests and integration.

    2015-Government asks IAF to order 100 more of an improved version of the LCA. This in addition to an earlier order for 20.

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    WHAT THE IAF WANTS NOW To be able to commit fully to an order for 100 more LCA fighters, the Air Force wants these four things to be in place at the earliest:

    > Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar to track incoming targets

    > Integration of a long range beyond-visual-range missile

    > Air-to-Air refuelling capability to enhance its range

    > Modern electronic warfare capability to enhance survivability of the aircraft

    Read more at:
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/49398335.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst






     
  2. Rafael

    Rafael RETIRED MOD

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    Hahah!

    So much for indigenous and other crap sprayed by Indians on this forum!
     
  3. Indika

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    Haha what now once the foreign fighters lost the moola and induction was approved , they are trying to say it is not indigenous its full of imported components.
    Next argument will be , if it is made up of foreign components lets get a foreign made fighter aircraft itself.

    Dirty propaganda :angry:.
     
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    Yar had hai .... Kisi cheez per khush na honay dena bhartion ko !
     
  5. Muhammad Omar

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    3 decades passed and 2 more to go.... :D
     
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    It appears you are right about this ,this is how politics goes .But Auditor General is an autonomous body and reported to GOI not to IAF why they publish such report I mean i agree they are bunch of number worshiping people but there has to be some sort of truth in it.
     
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    The year is 2050 and Tejas is now a name of French fighter imported in boxes and put together at HAL...
     
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    Good for Indians.. their failure project is only 35% made in India. Indians should feel satisfied than offended.
     
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    Surely the 70% figure quoted by CAG is in terms of cost and not actual equipments used, that's what CAG is supposed to do, look at the financial angle of any project.

    The Engine and radar both are imported, that itself represents the bulk of the aircraft's cost.

    Btw most of the shortcomings listed by CAG has little to do with actual performance of the aircraft, like hike in project cost, delay in delivery, lack of simulators etc.

    For what? another bifurcation of Pakistan?
     
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    no for Tejas to actually be successful and flying :D :D

    And please look at in your Country at the edge of Bifurcation Kashmir, Punjab, Assam, NagaLand, Tamils, Tripura, Kannadanaadu (Karnatak), Independent Hyderabad, Gorkhaland, Naxals.......and many more
     
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    :lol: For the first time as long as I can remember, someone even brought Karnataka into the list.:enjoy:
     
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    cause Your media is making fools of Indian People by Telling fake stories about Pakistan like Submarine Firing Wooden boats and still no one died rather then pointing out real issues :D :D :lol:

    Bharat maata k bahadur loog.... :enjoy::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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    In arriving at this percentage, the CAG does not differentiate between essential design-related and high technology aspects of the LCA and readily available products.

    Whether it by cost or by the equipment used - either of them haven't been specified as well.

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    That INR 560 crore was not the budget for the entire Tejas programme, but merely for “feasibility studies and project definition”, which also included creation of the infrastructure needed for the new fighter.

    The infusion of funds for actual design, development and building of prototypes only began in 1993, with the funds allocated under the heading of full scale engineering development. The figures represent the sanctioned cost not the actual amount of money spent.

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    Essentially, the CAG report is an auditor’s review of a complex, high technology platform development, which involves risks and uncertainties that are not easily captured in a simple balance sheet assessment of targets and budgets.
     
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    Regarding your views on CAG report, being a CA myself, I cannot agree more.
     
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    You of course don't require the help of the media........:D