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Technical Problems Ground Myanmar’s JF-17 Fighter Jets Bought From China

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Myanmar is buying more new fighters from China as reported by the same source of OP. If Chinese and Pakistan made JF 17 are junk as Indians here claim for Myanmar, then why are they buying more fighters from China now ?

 

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By THE IRRAWADDY 25 November 2022
Most of the newly acquired Chinese and Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter jets that the Myanmar regime has taken delivery of have been grounded due to technical malfunctions, according to analysts and former Myanmar Air Force pilots who monitor the junta’s air capabilities.
The JF-17 fighters—lightweight multi-role combat aircraft jointly manufactured by China and Pakistan—that the Myanmar Air Force has added to its fleet have structural cracks and other technical issues, they told The Irrawaddy.
The aircraft, which are supposed to be capable of interception, ground attack and bombing missions, have turned out to be unfit for service, and the Myanmar military lacks the technical expertise to fix the problems, they added.
Myanmar reportedly inked a deal in early 2016 to procure 16 JF-17s from China at a cost of US$25 million each. A first batch of six aircraft were delivered to the Myanmar Air Force in 2018, but details about the other 10 are not yet clear. The deal made Myanmar the first country outside China and Pakistan to buy JF-17s.

Myanmar regime chief Min Aung Hlaing put four of the malfunctioning JF-17 fighters into commission at a ceremony at the Meiktila air base in December 2018. Two more were commissioned in December 2019 as the Air Force celebrated the 72nd anniversary of its founding.

Jointly manufactured by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and Chengdu Aerospace Corporation of China, the JF-17 was initially designed to balance India’s Air Force. They are equipped with Western avionics and powered by the Russian Klimov RD 93 aeroengine, and set up on a China-made airframe, according to analysts. They can be armed with air-to-air mid-range guided missiles, 80-mm and 240-mm rockets, and 500-lb bombs.

The critical part of the JF-17 avionics is the China-made KLJ-7 Al radar, which has poor accuracy and maintenance problems, analysts say. The aircraft does not even have an effective beyond-visual-range (BVR) missile or airborne interception radar.

Malfunction of the Weapon Mission Management Computer has caused launch zones of BVR air-to-air missiles to shrink during combat exercises, according to experts.

Furthermore, the airframe is vulnerable to damage, especially in its wingtips and hardpoints, when the aircraft encounters strong gravitational forces, according to a former pilot of the Myanmar Air Force.

Problems after purchase

As the avionics and electronics installed in JF-17s are made with parts from Western countries, the Myanmar military purchased the fighter jets through middlemen between 2015 and 2020. Following the coup, the European Union imposed sanctions against the Myanmar military and arms brokers, and the Air Force now has no spare parts for the JF-17s, according to analysts and former pilots.

The trade embargo also makes it impossible for the Myanmar military regime to directly buy missiles and bombs for its JF-17s. The regime meanwhile has forged a partnership with the Pakistan military, sending weapons system officers from the Air Force and Air Defense units to Pakistan for training from time to time.

For the Myanmar Air Force to carry out deadly air strikes on ethnic armed revolutionary organizations and civilians, it mainly needs air-to-surface missiles, and it reportedly held talks with Pakistan to order these as well as bombs and rockets. Around May this year, a cargo plane from Pakistan loaded with JF-17 spare parts landed in Myanmar.

Technicians from the Pakistan Air Force made a secret visit to Myanmar in September during which they set up a JF-17 simulator for pilots of the Myanmar Air Force at Pathein air base, and also solved some technical problems. A JF-17 weapons system officer however said the weapons system of the JF-17 is too technically complex for Myanmar pilots to handle, according to former pilots.

Current situation
Thanks to the JF-17s’ poor accuracy, the Myanmar Air Force still can’t use them for combat four years after they were commissioned. This has led the Air Force to rely on Russian-made Yak-130 and MiG-29 fighter jets and China-made K-8 fighters, said analysts.

While the Myanmar Air Force has spent a large sum to procure malfunctioning aircraft from China and Pakistan, arms broker Dr. Naing Htut Aung has earned millions of US dollars from the deal, The Irrawaddy has learned.

At the 72nd anniversary event for the Myanmar Air Force, Min Aung Hlaing boasted that the Myanmar Air Force started with Tiger Moth planes, but now has hangars filled with modern aircraft including supersonic jet fighters, transportation aircraft, and assault and transportation helicopters.

He made no mention of the Air Force’s unusable JF-17 fighters.


Nothing new under the sun. A country, even the bigger of the earth, can't be on worldtop in a very scientific field in 20/25 years when competitors have 75 years of refinement.

Myanmar is buying more new fighters from China as reported by the same source of OP. If Chinese and Pakistan made JF 17 are junk as Indians here claim for Myanmar, then why are they buying more fighters from China now ?

Because they can't purchase anything else because of budget and politic situation.
 

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Nothing new under the sun. A country, even the bigger of the earth, can't be on worldtop in a very scientific field in 20/25 years when competitors have 75 years of refinement.


Because they can't purchase anything else because of budget and politic situation.
So, they are going to purchase useless junk just to waste their money, are you saying they are fools ? They sure can afford to purchase many weapons like from Russia, South Korea and your supa pawa India.
 

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It's in Indonesian but it highlights all the problems Myanmar had with the JF-17 & why they grounded the plane.

1. Citing Technical & Structural weakness of the plane.
2. KLJ-17 Radar (china) have poor accuracy and required constant maintenance in order to function.
3. Weak structural frame. With even pilot complaining parts of the plane breaks apart after each flight. Especially in the wingtip area.
4. Citing difficulty sourcing parts for the JF-17 engines (klimov-RD 93) due to Russian Sanction.

Conclusion don't buy this fucking things let alone fly in it.
 

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It's in Indonesian but it highlights all the problems Myanmar had with the JF-17 & why they grounded the plane.

1. Citing Technical & Structural weakness of the plane.
2. KLJ-17 Radar (china) have poor accuracy and required constant maintenance in order to function.
3. Weak structural frame. With even pilot complaining parts of the plane breaks apart after each flight. Especially in the wingtip area.
4. Citing difficulty sourcing parts for the JF-17 engines (klimov-RD 93) due to Russian Sanction.

Conclusion don't buy this fucking things let alone fly in it.


Wonder which one breaks down first between a HAL Tejas and seventh gen shuper atomi fighter palain JF-17 best pelein ever


In before hoga e agun
 

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It's in Indonesian but it highlights all the problems Myanmar had with the JF-17 & why they grounded the plane.

1. Citing Technical & Structural weakness of the plane.
2. KLJ-17 Radar (china) have poor accuracy and required constant maintenance in order to function.
3. Weak structural frame. With even pilot complaining parts of the plane breaks apart after each flight. Especially in the wingtip area.
4. Citing difficulty sourcing parts for the JF-17 engines (klimov-RD 93) due to Russian Sanction.

Conclusion don't buy this fucking things let alone fly in it.
Myanmar air force must be so stupid fools then, why they are still buying air fighters from the Chinese recently if all airplanes purchased from China before are complete junk according to your foul mouth or supposed indonesian foul mouths. By the way, how do those supposed indonesian netizens know all these details of the problems of all Chinese airplanes, the secretive Myanmarians told them or give Indonesians all the secrets becos they want to buy Indonesian airplanes in waiting instead ?
 

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It's in Indonesian but it highlights all the problems Myanmar had with the JF-17 & why they grounded the plane.

1. Citing Technical & Structural weakness of the plane.
2. KLJ-17 Radar (china) have poor accuracy and required constant maintenance in order to function.
3. Weak structural frame. With even pilot complaining parts of the plane breaks apart after each flight. Especially in the wingtip area.
4. Citing difficulty sourcing parts for the JF-17 engines (klimov-RD 93) due to Russian Sanction.

Conclusion don't buy this fucking things let alone fly in it.
RFO literally uses Irrawaddy as it's primary sources.

And it seems like all the sources I've seen all use this website as it's main source.

In other words, it probably propaganda.
 

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Myanmar air force must be so stupid fools then, why they are still buying air fighters from the Chinese recently if all airplanes purchased from China before are complete junk according to your foul mouth or supposed indonesian foul mouths. By the way, how do those supposed indonesian netizens know all these details of the problems of all Chinese airplanes, the secretive Myanmarians told them or give Indonesians all the secrets becos they want to buy Indonesian airplanes in waiting instead ?
You don't just ground brand new plane over nothing. (4 years cmiiw)

Even if it's a lie as some say it. It's still the closest explanation for it.
 

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You don't just ground brand new plane over nothing. (4 years cmiiw)

Even if it's a lie as some say it. It's still the closest explanation for it.

I don't think the Myanmarese AF take the prize for having the "best maintenance crew". This is probably the newest technology aircraft they have (most recent purchase). So there.
 

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Myanmar Junta and Pakistan Boost Military Ties​


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By The Irrawaddy 6 December 2022

Senior Pakistan defense official Colonel Imran Khan visited the Myanmar capital Naypyitaw last week to discuss military cooperation with the junta, according to sources familiar with his visit.
Colonel Khan’s two-day visit from November 29 to December 1 is the latest sign of the growing defense ties between Islamabad and Naypyitaw. The military regime did not comment on the attaché’s visit and no details of what was discussed have emerged.
A 10-member team from the Myanmar Air Force (MAF) is currently in Pakistan undergoing training for four weeks on precision targeting in air operations and on the JF-17 jet fighter, which was jointly developed by China and Pakistan.
The training is believed to be an attempt to fix the problems that have left the MAF’s JF-17’s grounded due to technical malfunctions.
Myanmar bought 16 JF-17’s from China. The first batch of six aircraft was delivered in 2018, but details about the delivery date for the other 10 remain unclear. Myanmar was the first country to buy the JF-17.
The MAF has also procured JF-17 Block-II aircraft from Pakistan to bolster its strength. With the Myanmar military’s ground forces under pressure from the resistance, the junta is increasingly reliant on air strikes to counter People’s Defense Forces (PDF) and ethnic armed organizations (EAO).
The Pakistan Embassy in Yangon didn’t respond to The Irrawaddy’s request for a comment.
Pakistan is one of just a handful of countries that maintain military relations with the Myanmar regime.
In September last year, a high-level delegation from Pakistan’s defense ministry visited Myanmar. They are believed to have held talks with Myanmar’s military leaders on advanced ordnance technology, aircraft repair and maintenance, and naval munitions. The visit was not publicized by either side.
Relations between Islamabad and Naypyitaw were strained by the Rohingya crisis of 2017, when more than 700,000 Rohingya Muslims fled to neighboring Bangladesh after the Myanmar military launched clearance operations in northern Rakhine State in response to attacks by Rohingya guerrillas on police outposts.
Analysts believe that in the light of the changing political landscape in Myanmar, Pakistani officials have decided to reach out to the junta to revive relations, as the Myanmar regime is in need of weapons such as air-to-surface missiles to crackdown on PDFs and EAOs.
Normally, the junta buys arms from Russia and China. But with international sanctions imposed on the regime, China can use Pakistan as a proxy to continue its assistance to the Myanmar military, analysts said.

By The Irrawaddy 6 December 2022

Senior Pakistan defense official Colonel Imran Khan visited the Myanmar capital Naypyitaw last week to discuss military cooperation with the junta, according to sources familiar with his visit.
Colonel Khan’s two-day visit from November 29 to December 1 is the latest sign of the growing defense ties between Islamabad and Naypyitaw. The military regime did not comment on the attaché’s visit and no details of what was discussed have emerged.
A 10-member team from the Myanmar Air Force (MAF) is currently in Pakistan undergoing training for four weeks on precision targeting in air operations and on the JF-17 jet fighter, which was jointly developed by China and Pakistan.
The training is believed to be an attempt to fix the problems that have left the MAF’s JF-17’s grounded due to technical malfunctions.
Myanmar bought 16 JF-17’s from China. The first batch of six aircraft was delivered in 2018, but details about the delivery date for the other 10 remain unclear. Myanmar was the first country to buy the JF-17.
The MAF has also procured JF-17 Block-II aircraft from Pakistan to bolster its strength. With the Myanmar military’s ground forces under pressure from the resistance, the junta is increasingly reliant on air strikes to counter People’s Defense Forces (PDF) and ethnic armed organizations (EAO).
The Pakistan Embassy in Yangon didn’t respond to The Irrawaddy’s request for a comment.
Pakistan is one of just a handful of countries that maintain military relations with the Myanmar regime.
In September last year, a high-level delegation from Pakistan’s defense ministry visited Myanmar. They are believed to have held talks with Myanmar’s military leaders on advanced ordnance technology, aircraft repair and maintenance, and naval munitions. The visit was not publicized by either side.
Relations between Islamabad and Naypyitaw were strained by the Rohingya crisis of 2017, when more than 700,000 Rohingya Muslims fled to neighboring Bangladesh after the Myanmar military launched clearance operations in northern Rakhine State in response to attacks by Rohingya guerrillas on police outposts.
Analysts believe that in the light of the changing political landscape in Myanmar, Pakistani officials have decided to reach out to the junta to revive relations, as the Myanmar regime is in need of weapons such as air-to-surface missiles to crackdown on PDFs and EAOs.
Normally, the junta buys arms from Russia and China. But with international sanctions imposed on the regime, China can use Pakistan as a proxy to continue its assistance to the Myanmar military, analysts said.


 

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