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Tata Projects Ltd. gets $120m order for power transmission project in Bangladesh
Published: November 12, 2021 19:10:02
Tata Projects gets $120m order for power transmission project in Bangladesh


Tata Projects Limited, an Indian infrastructure company, has received an order for a 400kV double circuit transmission line project valued at around $120 million (around ₹900 crores) from the Power Grid Company of Bangladesh Limited (PGCB).

“This 120-km project from Barapukuria to Bogura has been secured on a turnkey basis. It will be executed in 30 months and the funding shall be done by EXIM Bank India under Indian Line of Credit," Tata Projects said in a statement.

India has extended lines of credit to Bangladesh with energy security as an important dimension of India-Bangladesh ties, according to livemint.com.

Cross-border energy trade is a key part of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s South Asia-focused, neighbourhood-first policy. India already has power grid links with Bhutan, Nepal and Bangladesh, and is building power projects in the three countries. It also plans to develop power transmission links with Myanmar and Sri Lanka.

“The transmission line shall also result in the expansion of high-voltage transmission infrastructure in the northern parts of Bangladesh. It will also facilitate 1,600MW power transmission from a power plant based in Jharkhand to Bangladesh," the statement said.

This comes in the backdrop of the South Asia power pool comprising Bangladesh, Bhutan, India and Nepal (BBIN) to form the primary component of South Asia-Southeast Asia interconnection corridor that has been shortlisted for the ambitious global-grid plan, also referred to as One Sun One World One Grid (OSOWOG), as reported by Mint earlier.
 

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An infrastructure project that doesn't seem to have bloated costs, in Bangladesh of all places? Wonderful.

I don't see any reason for chest beating.

This was accepted by our power grid people (PGCB) only because the loan was extended from Indian EXIM bank and non-industrialized Jharkhand had excess power to sell. Nothing wrong with buying power when we need it - as we are developing faster than most of Eastern India. Eventually transmission line infra (which falls inside our territory mostly) can be reused as local power generation climbs up.

I know of no other people with ashisht dehati village mentality like some Sanghis who think selling something to anyone is a cause for boasting, as if they are doing buyers a favor.

In fact any flimsy excuse of nationalist boasting is acceptable to Sanghis.

PGCB sources all types of equipment from all places in the world, such as,
  • Inexpensive zinc coated lattice structures (transmission towers) from India, as use is widespread there and cheap.
  • Inexpensive glass stand off insulators from BHEL or Aditya Birla Nuvo in India, as higher-tension use is widespread there and cheap.
  • Expensive ACCC conductor fabricated by Midal (UAE) to US ACCC specs (link below) and hardware provided by Dervaux (France). This is critical as quality of transmission (400 KV and up) depends on quality of conductor. You can't go cheap on this item.
 

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I don't see any reason for chest beating.

This was accepted by our power grid people (PGCB) only because the loan was extended from Indian EXIM bank and non-industrialized Jharkhand had excess power to sell. Nothing wrong with buying power when we need it - as we are developing faster than most of Eastern India. Eventually transmission line infra (which falls inside our territory mostly) can be reused as local power generation climbs up.

I know of no other people with ashisht dehati village mentality like some Sanghis who think selling something to anyone is a cause for boasting, as if they are doing buyers a favor.

In fact any flimsy excuse of nationalist boasting is acceptable to Sanghis.

PGCB sources all types of equipment from all places in the world, such as,
  • Inexpensive zinc coated lattice structures (transmission towers) from India, as use is widespread there and cheap.
  • Inexpensive glass stand off insulators from BHEL or Aditya Birla Nuvo in India, as higher-tension use is widespread there and cheap.
  • Expensive ACCC conductor fabricated by Midal (UAE) to US ACCC specs (link below) and hardware provided by Dervaux (France). This is critical as quality of transmission (400 KV and up) depends on quality of conductor. You can't go cheap on this item.

No need to get butthurt, the point is that your projects cost 3-8X more than similar projects elsewhere. This has been reported even by Bangladesh's pliant media, so there is no use denying the corruption and inefficiencies involved.

I seriously don't think a 120 million contract is a huge deal for Tata group, even for Tata projects. The latter is building sections of the 23 km long Mumbai Trans-Harbour Link- those are the kind of projects we boast about, not Padma bridge built by the Chinese.

Anyway, didn't you boast about exporting a few crore worth transformers to Adani?? What's it with this swamp village mentality, thinking selling something to anyone is a cause for boasting??

Despite your rants about high quality, you important a substantial amount worth transformers from us. Anyway, when did quality become synonymous with Bangladesh, a nation that uses brick chip concrete?? :lol:

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Bangladesh engineering companies (not construction ones) should be able to analyze the wind force on the horizontal cables extending from one Pylon to another and design the pylons (their member/ angle sizes and the foundations).

It is easy to do so if design engineers know how to analyze and design the members and foundations, and it is difficult to do so by the first-timers.

Contrary to what we tend to believe, Universities do not certainly teach all the designs. They teach mostly the fundamentals of design and not all kinds of design.

The analysis must be learned by consulting many design papers/ books while working as a design engineer. I have not seen a single pylon in BD designed by the locals. However, Indians can, Koreans and Japanese companies have done in their own countries and BD.

So, I don't understand why do we have deficiencies. And this is the reason I uploaded this news. BD incessantly talks about development but is unable to do such a small thing.

This time also, India is giving loans and its company doing the design and construction, and we are celebrating a false development.
 

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This time also, India is giving loans and its company doing the design and construction, and we are celebrating a false development.

@bluesky bhai, we never went looking for this loan from India. India was begging us to take this loan - they wanted to keep up with the Chinese because they though they were losing 'influence' in Bangladesh. We typically don't accept loans from India because their redtape prevents them from disbursing funds timely and also because their vendors are dhokeybaaj chor banyas.

Bangladesh govt. was given the loan for this trasnmission project, because they are buying electricity from Jharkhand state. IMHO Bangladesh should never have agreed, we will stop buying from them one day and they will never return our money for the line portion constructed in India. They are not a trustworthy country at this time. Several Indian govt. agencies still owe us money from five years ago for Internet bandwidth they took from us.

It's well known in int'l finance circles that loan-givers benefit more from the loan process in the long run than the recipient, because they can get interest and also employ consultants and vendors from their own country as a stipulated condition of the loan who charge double or more what the int'l open market demands. Only loan giver who is fair and consistent is the Japanese govt. and also China, they should be our ideal development partners.
 

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@bluesky bhai, we never went looking for this loan from India. India was begging us to take this loan - they wanted to keep up with the Chinese because they though they were losing 'influence' in Bangladesh. We typically don't accept loans from India because their redtape prevents them from disbursing funds timely and also because their vendors are dhokeybaaj chor banyas.

Bangladesh govt. was given the loan for this trasnmission project, because they are buying electricity from Jharkhand state. IMHO Bangladesh should never have agreed, we will stop buying from them one day and they will never return our money for the line portion constructed in India. They are not a trustworthy country at this time. Several Indian govt. agencies still owe us money from five years ago for Internet bandwidth they took from us.

It's well known in int'l finance circles that loan-givers benefit more from the loan process in the long run than the recipient, because they can get interest and also employ consultants and vendors from their own country as a stipulated condition of the loan who charge double or more what the int'l open market demands. Only loan giver who is fair and consistent is the Japanese govt. and also China, they should be our ideal development partners.
Not many excuses, please. The truth is BD asked both for electricity and power transmission line, and now an Indian company is designing and erecting it.

The truth is, BD has no such engineers who can design a pylon. Once designed, BD construction companies do it in the field.

I have not read through any protests from the construction companies. Why? Because they are just construction companies and not design consulting companies. Works regularly go to Korean, Japanese and now Indian companies.

The GoB has responsibility to plan for our local companies to do the job.
 

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Not many excuses, please. The truth is BD asked both for electricity and power transmission line, and now an Indian company is designing and erecting it.

The truth is, BD has no such engineers who can design a pylon. Once designed, BD construction companies do it in the field.

I have not read through any protests from the construction companies. Why? Because they are just construction companies and not design consulting companies. Works regularly go to Korean, Japanese and now Indian companies.

The GoB has responsibility to plan for our local companies to do the job.

Tower design is not all that difficult... many small companies in Bangladesh are involved with it. CAD work is quite common in Bangladesh and has been done in Bangladesh since the late 1990's.

You can virtually test wind load and lateral load on towers using finite element analysis and Fast Fourier Transform (FFT) process software I believe, which is available. The old way is of course do it mathematically and use plenty of leeway to prevent design failure (~20% over-spec I believe but I could be wrong).


For fabrication, typically Bangladesh companies will buy high quality angle iron sections, and hot-dip galvanize them locally, like they do to make zig-zag lattice beams for pre-engineered industrial buildings, which is very common in Bangladesh. Same for the bolts/hardware - which can also be sourced from China (even cheaper).

Not many companies in Bangladesh involved with these designs because Chinese lattice tower assemblies are widely available and even cheaper than Indian product.

As far as assembling lattice structure electrical pylons and towers - that has been done locally since the 1960's for Heavy 132 KV line, I have known friends whose families were involved in constructing these 132 and 230 KV lines with local BRB cable manufactured AL-conductor cable. Nowadays the grid includes 400 KV lines and it will go up to 765 KV at some point, like it has in neighboring countries.


 
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You can see at least two different types of pylon in the picture. I will come back afterwards. But, please understand that CAD is for drafting a drawing only. CAD means Computer Aided Drafting and it does not stand for Computer Aided Design (analysis).

It does not do the structural analysis or the design of concrete foundtations. Pylon foundations are invariably piled ones.

I will come back later. But as far as I know all the pylons have been designed and constructed by foreign companies. This is the same I saw in Malaysia when I was there in Paka. After all Muslim brains there also.
 

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You can see at least two different types of pylon in the picture. I will come back afterwards. But, please understand that CAD is for drafting a drawing only. CAD means Computer Aided Drafting and it does not stand for Computer Aided Design (analysis).

It does not do the structural analysis or the design of concrete foundtations. Pylon foundations are invariably piled ones.

I will come back later. But as far as I know all the pylons have been designed and constructed by foreign companies. This is the same I saw in Malaysia when I was there in Paka. After all Muslim brains there also.

I was talking about this type of software @bluesky bhai,

 

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This comes in the backdrop of the South Asia power pool comprising Bangladesh, Bhutan, India and Nepal (BBIN) to form the primary component of South Asia-Southeast Asia interconnection corridor that has been shortlisted for the ambitious global-grid plan, also referred to as One Sun One World One Grid (OSOWOG), as reported by Mint earlier.
I don't know how to understand this thing,Indians have always done funny things. Little ability but love to be leaders. Small capacity, big ambition.


400KV is the technology of 1950s, which is very mature technology.

The economic transmission distance of 500KV transmission line is generally 600-800 km, and this is very suitable for Bangladesh.

China is now mainly promoting ±1100KV DC technology and equipment internationally, with a transmission capacity of up to 13.75 million kilowatts, and its economic transmission distance is 5,000 km, which will create conditions for building cross-regional, cross-country and cross-continental transmission channels. For example, Africa and the Middle East can be connected, and South America can form a large power grid.
 
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I don't know how to understand this thing,Indians have always done funny things. Little ability but love to be leaders. Small capacity, big ambition.

400KV is the technology of 1950s, which is very mature technology.

What??

 

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I don't know how to understand this thing,Indians have always done funny things. Little ability but love to be leaders. Small capacity, big ambition.


400KV is the technology of 1950s, which is very mature technology.

The economic transmission distance of 500KV transmission line is generally 600-800 km, and this is very suitable for Bangladesh.

China is now mainly promoting ±1100KV DC technology and equipment internationally, with a transmission capacity of up to 13.75 million kilowatts, and its economic transmission distance is 5,000 km, which will create conditions for building cross-regional, cross-country and cross-continental transmission channels. For example, Africa and the Middle East can be connected, and South America can form a large power grid.

You are absolutely right about the state of technology in India, and as it also relates to Bangladesh situation. Bangladesh depends on a lot of Indian transmission equipment for some strange reason. My guess is that the way the British designed the standards, helps Bangladeshis depend on them.

My understanding is that Indian heavy electric transmission is stuck in the 1970's if not 1950's. And we are as well. They hardly have very many 400 KV lines and only now some lines are up to 765 KV level. Bangladesh really needs to wean itself off of dependence on India and raise its own game.

Most Indian transmission is built with heavy ACSR conductors as well. They have not introduced modern ACCC conductors in widespread usage (lightweight composite core with hexagonal aluminium sheathing) which can upgrade transmission capacity overnight with just introduction of lightweight ACCC wire...

In India, the accent is always on low cost and cheap, and cutting corners on safety. This is my impression, I could be wrong.

In Bangladesh some 400 KV lines do use ACCC conductors.

What??


That is a research and test scenario. It is not a production scenario.

World's highest my foot.

Ahammuks and murkhs everywhere.

A country that cannot even produce good quality mini circuit breakers for home use, is boasting about 1200 KV transmission. :lol:
 
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India has really been trying to limit its dependence on Chinese extra high voltage equipment and hopefully these western companies (Siemens + ABB) can really help you.


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According to statistics, China's power equipment accounted for 34% of the 55GW of new capacity installed in India during the 11th Five-Year Plan period(2007-2012), and more than half of the new capacity installed in the first three years of the 12th Five-Year Plan was supplied by Chinese manufacturers. China's three largest power generation equipment manufacturers, China Dongfang Electric Group, Shanghai Electric Group and Harbin Electric Group, have all cooperated with India in a series of power equipment. 2004, Dongfang Electric became the first Chinese power generation equipment manufacturer to sign large-scale engineering, procurement and construction projects in India; in 2007, Dongfang Electric (India) Co. In 2012, the order volume of thermal power generation equipment of Dongfang Electric in India had reached about 40GW, and the first hydropower project of Dongfang Electric in India was successfully commissioned in the same year. 2010, Shanghai Electric Group signed a US$10 billion contract with Indian power companies to supply 30GW of coal-fired power generation equipment in three years. In 2012, Shanghai Electric India was established, and India became the largest overseas market for Shanghai Electric, winning 12 power plant construction projects. Since 2007, Harbin Electric Group has contracted several 600MW-grade units in the Indian market, and by 2015, the total number of 600MW-grade units exported to India reached 24 sets with a total capacity of 15GW.

India's "12th Five-Year Plan" (2012-2017) vigorously support new energy, the Indian photovoltaic industry has entered a period of booming development. 2012 India's installed photovoltaic power generation capacity is only 0.94GW, by 2017 the installed photovoltaic capacity of 12.29GW, a compound annual growth rate of 67%, in the renewable energy generation of the The proportion of renewable energy generation increased dramatically from 4% in 2012 to 21% in 2017. According to India's 13th Five-Year Plan (2017-2022), the new installed capacity of renewable energy will reach 175GW from 2017 to 2022, including 100GW of PV and 60GW of wind power.

By the booming Indian market and the Indian government policy of two factors, China's exports to India of photovoltaic products (silicon wafers, cells, modules) but experienced a "roller coaster" like growth rate. April 2016 ~ January 2017, India imported solar energy equipment worth 2.17 billion U.S. dollars, of which imports of Chinese equipment reached 1.9 billion U.S. dollars, accounting for 87%. The share of China's module exports to India fell to 15.2% in 2018 from 29.8% in 2017, and to 7.8% in 2019. Due to the large base, from 2017 to 2018, China's total module exports ranked first continuously in India, which is still one of China's major exporters. Although India PV development potential is huge, however, the development of the country's PV market has instability, such as India since 2012 frequent anti-dumping, trade protection investigations, etc.. In addition, India requires the implementation of government procurement or public procurement in the field of renewable energy, should give priority to "Made in India" products, for government procurement and utility development of grid-connected photovoltaic projects, photovoltaic modules require 100% local manufacturing, other components such as photovoltaic inverters require at least 40% to be made in India. JA, GCL, Rising East, Longi, Chint and many other companies have entered the Indian market on a large scale, and inverter products are also used in Indian PV projects. In addition to the export of products to India, many new energy companies have set up factories in India. Chint Group has exported a total of 1,200MW of modules to India since 2012, and its new energy industry set up an Indian office and Indian warehouse in 2014. 2018 saw the company add BIS certification specifically for the Indian market, mainly in response to India's import tariff policy.

China's TBEA in 2010, the company won the substation local complete project of 8 765k V substations totaling 5 packages of National Grid Corporation of India; in 2013, Pinggao signed the general contracting project of 765k V GIS project of Kanpur power station in India. Since 2008, TBEA's main transformer products have entered the national grid of India, and in 2010, it won the tender for 84 sets of 765k V reactors and related works for 9 substations in the national main grid and state grid, which is the first time for India to purchase 765k V UHV transmission project equipment from Chinese enterprises, and the total contract amount exceeds 100 million U.S. dollars. 2014 TBEA Energy (India) Ltd. was put into operation, mainly producing and testing transformers and reactors of 400~765k V voltage level, and also downward compatible with the capability of producing 220k V products, with an annual capacity of more than 30,000MVA, and reserving space for production and testing of 1200k V power transformers and reactors and equipment upgrade space, the company's main customer is the National Grid Corporation of India. 2017 the company achieved production operation and profitability. on November 29, 2019, TBEA's first overseas GW-class new energy equipment manufacturing base was inaugurated in India, with an annual production capacity of up to 2GW and two new full-process production lines of 1500V string and central inverters.

In 2010, TBEA supplied 10 sets of 750k V reactors to Reliance India, which set a record of the highest voltage level of reactors exported from China at that time. 2012, the company obtained three complete sets of 765k V substation projects with a total order of USD 18 million. 2016, TBEA obtained 8 breaker intervals 800k V GIS and 12 breaker intervals 420k V GIS from National Grid Corporation of India. breaker interval 420k V GIS project orders. New Northeast Electric Group High Voltage Switchgear Co., Ltd. has been committed to exploring the Indian market, and the export of its fist product 145-765KV GIS products to the Indian market has accounted for 10% of the company's output value and about 90% of the total exports, and the amount of products exported to the Indian market in the past few years exceeded $300 million, and invested $25 million to build a factory in India for operation. Jiangsu Tongguang Electronic Cable Co., Ltd. in recent years, the Indian market has accounted for more than 50% of overseas, the export value of nearly 100 million yuan, has set up a factory in India.

Distribution network link: In 2014, India began to release urban and rural distribution network upgrade programs one after another, focusing on investment in smart meters, distribution network automation and other areas, bringing opportunities for Chinese distribution network enterprises. For example, low-voltage electrical products, the amount of exports to the Indian market in 2018 and 2019 is about $450 million. About 59% of China's low-voltage electrical exports are oriented to many Asian countries and regions, especially Southeast Asia, India and other third world countries with strong demand year by year. With the Indian government launching various plans in the past year, including: "Make in India", "Digital India", "Smart City Plan", the "Integrated Power Development Plan", etc., focusing on the development of new infrastructure, will stimulate the climbing demand for low-voltage electrical components, and also drive the growth of China's low-voltage electrical components products exports and investments in the region and countries.



The Indian government adopted a series of trade restriction measures and regulations against overseas, especially China, in 2020 due to the dual impact of the new crown epidemic and the situation on the India-China border. In July, the Indian Ministry of Power introduced new regulations requiring all power equipment to be tested at designated institutions and government permission to import power products from Pakistan and China, and the test protocols and designated institutions for testing and certification must be approved by the Ministry. institutions must be approved by the Ministry of Power. So far, the Indian government has taken customs clearance suspension, prohibit Chinese enterprises to participate in the country's government and state-owned enterprises projects, the Ministry of Energy issued a policy to restrict the use of Chinese power equipment and other measures; and improve the local manufacturing requirements for bidding projects. In addition, some companies feedback that products that are doing local certification in India will encounter increased testing and delays, resulting in the inability to obtain certificates in a timely manner and hindering sales. The Indian government has also repeatedly raised the import threshold of power equipment in other ways before in an attempt to block the interface with the Chinese industry chain.
 

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