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Here we go again, you come to the negotiating table in a position of strength not when you are at your weakest. Come back to this in 20 years or you will just get pushed around again.
 

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They already have been on a spree, you need to read more.
Where? The only one that's mentioned (rather lapped up) is along the Brahmaputra that too runoff river dam.

No just dry out your rivers. You also forgot the Ganga, the heart of India. Tributaries which feed the Ganga massively rely on Chinese water.
hahaha yeah, definitely you're thinking about these things as a "tap". Nothing logical.
The Ganges originate in the Gangotri glacier, which is the primary glacier that feeds the river Ganga, and it's located in Uttarakhand India, another river is Alakananda which again originate in Uttarakhand, Now, I'm sure Uttarakhand is not in China. Nepal discharges more water into Ganga than China. A study finds almost 93% of the basin is in India and Nepal. The Chinese contribution to the basin is (3%) and that too the glaciers along the Himalayas which feeds rivers into Nepal which in turn feeds Ganga.
Massively rely on Chinese waters LOL! You really need to look at the map and learn.

Yes I already anticipated you will go down the Bangladesh route. It won't matter, as you started it, and that's what the Chinese will point out.
Also stop playing the noble one here, you're the one advocating wars, I'm showing what will happen.
I didn't start anything, I simply said the IWT is very generous, no country in the world has a water-sharing agreement that's heavily in favour of a lower riparian state. 80-20%... is nuts considering Pakistan is hostile to us.

I already expected this.
Let's have a more careful look at the data.
Oh, I'm not here to deny climate change is a hoax. Of course, there is a change in the rain pattern, so has agricultural practices. And contrary to that, our Agricultural production has been on the record highs. Which you probably have "expected" so is our exports.
 

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India needs to continue making dams and by next decade be in a position to make it like a Tap.

Open or close for good behaviour and open or close for bad behaviour. The stick in hand will serve life time good behaviour.
 

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India needs to continue making dams and by next decade be in a position to make it like a Tap.

Open or close for good behaviour and open or close for bad behaviour. The stick in hand will serve life time good behaviour.

Lol ok? Wait till the Chinese turn your tap off. The real stick lies with them.
 

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Lol ok? Wait till the Chinese turn your tap off. The real stick lies with them.
Waz San, most humbly I recommend Geography lessons...infact in this very thread.

Chinese we will deal. Both of us are not Yahoos...we will cut a deal...when the time comes.
 

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Waz San, most humbly I recommend Geography lessons...infact in this very thread.

Chinese we will deal. Both of us are not Yahoos...we will cut a deal...when the time comes.
Typical Indian nationalist response, when academics, including your experts highlight the control China has over Indian water sources, you type geography without having a clue about it yourself.
My detailed response is coming up.
The Chinese will cut something but it won’t be a deal, certainly not at Pakistan’s expense
 

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Where? The only one that's mentioned (rather lapped up) is along the Brahmaputra that too runoff river dam.
It was in the link I provided, I can't help you if you don't have an eye for detail, which I might add is a common theme in all your posts.


hahaha yeah, definitely you're thinking about these things as a "tap". Nothing logical.
The Ganges originate in the Gangotri glacier, which is the primary glacier that feeds the river Ganga, and it's located in Uttarakhand India, another river is Alakananda which again originate in Uttarakhand, Now, I'm sure Uttarakhand is not in China.
Laughter for no reason is one of the signs of insanity.
Right read this;


China has claimed express ownership over Tibet’s waters, making it an upstream controller of seven of South Asia’s mightiest rivers – the Indus, Ganges, Brahmaputra, Irrawaddy, Salween, Yangtze and Mekong. These rivers flow into Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam, and form the largest river run-off from any single location. It is estimated that 718 billion cubic meters of surface water flows out of the Tibetan plateau and the Chinese-administered regions of Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia to neighbouring countries each year.

Nearly half that water, 48%, runs directly into India.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-china-relations-and-geopolitics-water

I guess according to you the respected lowyinstitute doesn't know what it's talking about.

So the Ganga is mentioned with regards to the Chinese, more on this later on.


The Ganges does indeed have its origin from the Gongotri Glacier, and yes its water does feed into the Ganga. But the river is less reliant on meltwater from glaciers than other rivers (see previous point about fragility of Indian monsoon rains).
For the Ganges;

The Ganges is distinct from the other four basins because rain exceeds melt contributions to runoff, with rain contributing 52% of runoff and combined melt contribution about 48%.


But even that is under threat with the retreat of the Gongotri;


With all this taken into account, all contributions to the Ganga are important. Now let's look at its tributaries.




The melting water from the Himalayas, as well as water from tributaries and rainfall, all feed the sacred river.

The Ganges’ many tributaries originate from the nearby countries of Nepal, Bangladesh, and China (in an autonomous region called Tibet).



Some rivers, originating in the Tibetan Autonomous region of the People's Republic of China and passing through Nepal, are the tributaries of this great river along with some Indian rivers


https://asiafoundation.org/resources/pdfs/ORFIssuebrief61DwarikaN.Dhungelformail.pdf

The tributaries play a role in providing flow and volume to the river Ganges which allow it to drain such a massive area.
Here;

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Nepal discharges more water into Ganga than China.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yes and where do you think this water comes from? From Chinese Tibet. :lol:

Let's take a look;
Gandaki/Gandak river of Nepal which is a tributary of the Ganges, source Chinese Tibet.

Ghaghara (Karnali) river of Nepal with its average annual flow of about 2,991 m3/s (105,600 cu ft/s), is the largest tributary of the Ganges by discharge. Source Chinese Tibet.


Kosi River is one of the biggest tributary of River Ganges Total drainage area of the Kosi River is 95156 km2. Majority of the area comes from Tibet and Nepal (80%). Source
Chinese Tibet.




A study finds almost 93% of the basin is in India and Nepal. The Chinese contribution to the basin is (3%) and that too the glaciers along the Himalayas which feeds rivers into Nepal which in turn feeds Ganga.
Massively rely on Chinese waters LOL! You really need to look at the map and learn.

The annual flow of the Ganges River from China to Nepal is 12 BCM. All the rivers in Nepal drain into the Ganges River; the annual flow from Nepal to India is 210.2 BCM



The Ganges is the natural drainage of all the rivers flowing from Nepal. The overall contribution of the rivers of Nepal to this river is 46 percent of its flow and it is as high as 75 percent during the lean season (March to May ) with that of the Farakka 2 flows (Pun 2004).

https://asiafoundation.org/resources/pdfs/ORFIssuebrief61DwarikaN.Dhungelformail.pdf

So China has a significant flow to the Ganges, and Nepal has far more, though much of Nepal's rivers have Tibet as their source.


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For someone who writes on and on about maps, you clearly have never seen one in your entire life on the region!
You don't want to admit it as understandbly the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow, but they wield power on the Ganges. Even small changes can be disastrous.





I didn't start anything, I simply said the IWT is very generous, no country in the world has a water-sharing agreement that's heavily in favour of a lower riparian state. 80-20%... is nuts considering Pakistan is hostile to us.
Sure it's generous, but the Chinese also play fair as well, until you decide not to play fair.



Oh, I'm not here to deny climate change is a hoax. Of course, there is a change in the rain pattern, so has agricultural practices. And contrary to that, our Agricultural production has been on the record highs. Which you probably have "expected" so is our exports.
You obviously haven't got a clue about stats, and how patterns emerge. I gave you data going back 30 years showing how the Indian monsoon rains are faltering and you give recent agricultural figures, which I might add coincide with a better year for rain, as opposed to previous years
 

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It will be morally reprehensible to use water to blackmail another country. I don't think India or China will actually do that because of the backlash from every country on earth. But if India indeed will go that route and use it as intimidation tool against Pakistan. Then what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

China can make the same threat to India as Pakistan's close strategic partner. The mighty battle harden Indian jawan vs Girly single child PLA is 5 to 1 in Galwan valley. Can you imagine what the building speed of the dams will be for China vs India? If that happen it will not be a fabricated genocide like what the western media propaganda are blowing right now.
 

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You can't unilaterally scrap a Treaty. What India can do is to utilize the 100% of water allocated to it under the IWT. It doesn't do that right now. Also from what I understand, India can use the water for electricity generation without a hitch.
 

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You can't unilaterally scrap a Treaty. What India can do is to utilize the 100% of water allocated to it under the IWT. It doesn't do that right now. Also from what I understand, India can use the water for electricity generation without a hitch.
Obviously Indians will be doing this specifically to hurt Pakistan but I bet that won't happen because Indians are aware of Pakistan's ability to react proportionally to any adverse actions against it. There is a cost India will have to pay like it payed with international prestige for Balakot adventure while Pakistan came out on top and was regarded as more sensible peace loving nation.
 

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Obviously Indians will be doing this specifically to hurt Pakistan but I bet that won't happen because Indians are aware of Pakistan's ability to react proportionally to any adverse actions against it. There is a cost India will have to pay like it payed with international prestige for Balakot adventure while Pakistan came out on top and was regarded as more sensible peace loving nation.
Of course they will do it. Infact they are already doing it and Pakistan keeps raising objections and gets some minor relief like lowering the height of dams. Pakistan was compensated monetarily by India in 1960 for any loss of water from the 3 rivers. So let Pakistan do what it can as far as India sticks to the letter of the law.
 

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