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Taiwan Warns It Will "Fight To Very Last Day" If China Attacks As US Warship Transits Strait

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Without the ground war, Iraq would have survived because just like in WW II, the US had no stomach to conduct a protracted air campaign based out of regional allies, and eventually, they would tire of that protracted air war as well. So even though we did stopped at 100 miles from Baghdad, the ground war was destructive enough against the Iraqi Army in that we broke their will to fight. Without an invasion of Taiwan, China cannot keep lobbing missiles at Taiwan HOPING that the Taiwanese will surrender.
But that's the US fighting for a peripheral interest. If US lost it doesn't matter, it just loses some influence in the Middle East. PRC vs. ROC would be an existential total war right next door thus tiring out of regional allies would not be an issue. If the ROC wins, the PRC might fall, thus the PLA has every motivation to fight to the end.

US also bombed sanitation, dams, telecom, oil refineries, etc in Iraq. Thus, based on US doctrine, legitimate targets would include those facilities as well as military facilities such as fabs, food storage depots, etc. Air dispensed mines dropped into crop fields would prevent their harvest, and minesweeping vehicles would destroy the crops anyways. Without electricity, food or water, what do they have left?

This state of affairs should force their leadership to surrender in order to end the conflict and get reconstruction.
 
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The problem is not with Taiwan nor with its people; the problem arises when Taiwan Government invites Chinese rivals to its territory to endanger Chinese interests.
 

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But that's the US fighting for a peripheral interest. If US lost it doesn't matter, it just loses some influence in the Middle East. PRC vs. ROC would be an existential total war right next door thus tiring out of regional allies would not be an issue. If the ROC wins, the PRC might fall, thus the PLA has every motivation to fight to the end.

US also bombed sanitation, dams, telecom, oil refineries, etc in Iraq. Thus, based on US doctrine, legitimate targets would include those facilities as well as military facilities such as fabs, food storage depots, etc. Air dispensed mines dropped into crop fields would prevent their harvest, and minesweeping vehicles would destroy the crops anyways. Without electricity, food or water, what do they have left?

This state of affairs should force their leadership to surrender in order to end the conflict and get reconstruction.
The combat phase of Desert Storm lasted Jan-17 to Feb-28. During that time, nothing happened to US. But for the China-Taiwan war, economically speaking, China will suffer. Countries will decrease their relationships with China. Sea and air traffic in the SCS, except for the southern most area, will stop, and that means trade goods to China will stop. Some will be for safety reasons, but most will be for moral reasons in that China will be perceived as the aggressor. The Taiwanese can survive longer than China can build munitions to launch at them. We have gone thru this before. Not all of the PLA's resources will be for this conflict. The PLA still have borders to guard, so X amount of troops and missiles will still be allocated elsewhere. Hence, the necessity for an invasion to subjugate the Taiwanese as soon as possible.

The combat phase of the Vietnam War for US involvement was from 1964 to 1975, and that was with US ground forces. The major reason why it lasted so long was because the US/SVN alliance fought for partition so they stopped at the 17th parallel. North Viet Nam effectively became a respite area for the NVA to recoup, regroup, and rearm. China cannot afford that status for Taiwan. The strait cannot be the 17th parallel equivalent.

So now you have time ranges of 10 yrs to 40 days. In both, ground combat was involved. In Viet Nam, ground combat was limited, in Iraq -- not. But you are declaring that China will have sufficient economic resources, including war materiel reserves, to last at least 40 days to subdue Taiwan enough to compel surrender. YOU would be the Chinese equivalent of Baghdad Bob.
 

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The combat phase of Desert Storm lasted Jan-17 to Feb-28. During that time, nothing happened to US. But for the China-Taiwan war, economically speaking, China will suffer. Countries will decrease their relationships with China. Sea and air traffic in the SCS, except for the southern most area, will stop, and that means trade goods to China will stop. Some will be for safety reasons, but most will be for moral reasons in that China will be perceived as the aggressor. The Taiwanese can survive longer than China can build munitions to launch at them. We have gone thru this before. Not all of the PLA's resources will be for this conflict. The PLA still have borders to guard, so X amount of troops and missiles will still be allocated elsewhere. Hence, the necessity for an invasion to subjugate the Taiwanese as soon as possible.

The combat phase of the Vietnam War for US involvement was from 1964 to 1975, and that was with US ground forces. The major reason why it lasted so long was because the US/SVN alliance fought for partition so they stopped at the 17th parallel. North Viet Nam effectively became a respite area for the NVA to recoup, regroup, and rearm. China cannot afford that status for Taiwan. The strait cannot be the 17th parallel equivalent.

So now you have time ranges of 10 yrs to 40 days. In both, ground combat was involved. In Viet Nam, ground combat was limited, in Iraq -- not. But you are declaring that China will have sufficient economic resources, including war materiel reserves, to last at least 40 days to subdue Taiwan enough to compel surrender. YOU would be the Chinese equivalent of Baghdad Bob.
PLA actually doesn't have that many borders to guard due to logistics. Russia, Kazakhstan and North Korea are safe borders. There's no path into China that logistically supports a large Indian offensive into China since there's not even a direct road from India to China. At most China temporarily loses some meaningless Himalayan territory before redirecting attention to India. The only possible aggressor is Vietnam, but they are unlikely to hit first.

Once SEAD is finished, then missiles will be unnecessary. Beidou or laser guided gravity bombs, naval guns and MRLS will work to further target critical infrastructure. Unlike during the Vietnam War, there will be precision guided munitions and there won't be the equivalent of a China resupplying them. Even relatively simple/cheap mass produced armed quadcopter drones will be useful, since the Taiwan strait is just 100 km wide. We all saw what armed drones did in Armenia.

This bombardment also conveniently attrites ROC ground forces and complicates their ability to deploy to stop a beachhead. So if a ground invasion is necessary, all this prep work softens them up quite a bit.
 

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The differences between Mainland China (People repbublic of China PBOC) and Taiwan (Republic of China ROC) is an unfinished civil war. Officially the war is still on-going since no cease fire has been agreed by both side.

Mainland China(PBOC) want Taiwan(ROC) back is similar to how West Germany unified East Germany, North Korea want to unified South Korea, and US Union states want the Confederate states back in their civil war.

PBOC offer a peaceful reunification method similar to one country two systems that was offered to Hong Kong.

Excerpt from -> https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/ziliao_665539/3602_665543/3604_665547/t18027.shtml

The Chinese government advanced the proposal of peaceful reunification back in the 1950s. In May, 1955, Premier Zhou Enlai stated that "the Chinese people are willing, when conditions permit, to strive to liberate Taiwan by peaceful means." In May, 1960, Chairman Mao said that provided Taiwan is returned to the motherland, with the exception of foreign affairs which must be handled by the national authorities, all the military and political power and the power of appointing officials may be delegated to the Taiwan authorities. This is the origin of the concept of "one country, two systems". In January, 1979, Deng Xiaoping advanced the concept of "one country, two systems" and stated that "so long as Taiwan returns to the embrace of the motherland, we will respect the realities and the existing system there." On September 30, 1981, Ye Jianying, Chairman of the Standing Committee of China's National People's Congress, officially put forward a nine-point proposal for bringing about the peaceful reunification of the mainland and Taiwan. He said that "after China is reunified, Taiwan may become a special administrative region. It may enjoy a high degree of autonomy and may keep its military forces. The national government will not intervene in the local affairs of Taiwan." "Taiwan's current social and economic systems will remain unchanged, its way of life will not change, and its economic and cultural ties with foreign countries will not change.' A provision on setting up special administrative region was added to the Constitution of the People's Republic of China passed at the Fifth Session of the National People's Congress in 1982, providing legal basis for accomplishing "one country, two systems". On January 30, 1995, President Jiang Zemin delivered an important speech entitled Continue to Strive to Complete the Grand Cause of China's Reunification. In the speech, he elaborated the concept of "one country, two systems" and made an eight-point proposal for improving the across strait relations during the current stage and accelerating the process of China's peaceful reunification.​
The details is obviously up to negotiation between the two sides. Currently that negotiation would not happen anytime soon because Taiwan currently has a pro-independence party running the gov't.

Mainland China has also make it clear its position that Taiwan island is a part of China and separating it from China is absolutely unacceptable to China, China would not rule out the use of military force to defend its sovereignty.

According to poll, majority of Taiwanese prefer the status quo. There is no similar poll on the Mainland, although there seem to be an increasing call on Chinese social media for a forceful reunification, but this is likely just a tiny vocal minority.

I think war across the Taiwan strait is very unlikely because there is no real urgency and it is really not in China national advantage. BUT if China sovereignty is challenged or provoked like if Taiwan declared independence then I don't think China leadership would have any other choice.
 

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But Biden is a coward...Maybe Dutch can do it and challenge China militarily by itself..

Biden: There will be 'extreme competition' with China under my administration,but will not be drawn into direct conflict with one another
European countries are cowards. They cant fight one on one. Always have to gang up with the USA.
 

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The morale to fight in Taiwan is low, because
  • The military odd against ROC(Taiwan) means that it is impossible to win. So the soldier would just wait for that "last day" that is simply unavoidable.

  • The Mainlander and Taiwanese people are of the same gene, same culture. There is no actual hate. The Taiwanese knows that Mainlander would not physically harm them once fighting stop. They knows that much of their civilian live would not be much affected by mainland rule since the culture is basically the same culture.
So why risk your life to fight, when fighting would not have avoid the inevitable outcome, an outcome which is really not that unacceptable?
The fact that the state can make a citizen disappear without an explanation like Jack Ma is a good reason.
 
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will defend itself "to the very last day" if it comes under attack by China.
To the very last day, is an ambiguous term. Obviously if there is even a small amount of resistance, fighters do battle until they stop. The last day of fighting is the "very last day" of fighting. Could be one day, could be more.

His comment is meaningless and thus worthless.
 

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Taiwan don't have ICBM that can hit Kashgar airbase which is located 4,500+ km from Taiwan. Unless Taiwan acquires ICBM and / or aerial refueling tankers, they cannot fight back against China.




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PLA actually doesn't have that many borders to guard due to logistics. Russia, Kazakhstan and North Korea are safe borders. There's no path into China that logistically supports a large Indian offensive into China since there's not even a direct road from India to China. At most China temporarily loses some meaningless Himalayan territory before redirecting attention to India. The only possible aggressor is Vietnam, but they are unlikely to hit first.

Once SEAD is finished, then missiles will be unnecessary. Beidou or laser guided gravity bombs, naval guns and MRLS will work to further target critical infrastructure. Unlike during the Vietnam War, there will be precision guided munitions and there won't be the equivalent of a China resupplying them. Even relatively simple/cheap mass produced armed quadcopter drones will be useful, since the Taiwan strait is just 100 km wide. We all saw what armed drones did in Armenia.

This bombardment also conveniently attrites ROC ground forces and complicates their ability to deploy to stop a beachhead. So if a ground invasion is necessary, all this prep work softens them up quite a bit.
It's very easy to start a war, but having your desired outcome is totally different story.
 

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The fact that the state can make a citizen disappear without an explanation like Jack Ma is a good reason.
Did China make Jack Ma disappear?

Just because Jack Ma decided to lay low and not talk to western media, doesn't mean that he disappear. It seem western media think too highly of itself and won't understand what even a young child would knows ->
 

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Did China make Jack Ma disappear?

Just because Jack Ma decided to lay low and not talk to western media, doesn't mean that he disappear. It seem western media think too highly of itself and won't understand what even a young child would knows ->
CCP=China, and China=CCP

CCP are just a bunch of snowflakes. These guys start melting like snowflake cause some guy named Jack Ma said something about lending policies. Instead of defeating his arguments through a healthy debate they just shut him off.
Xi Jingping is dragging China backwards. China is no longer a Republic as it is being ruled by the Red Dynasty cause they do not value an average Chinese person's opinion.

Why would Taiwanese people want any of these backward practices ? You may not understand this, freedom is worth fighting for.
 
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