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KMT is more problematic as it seeks to extend the status quo with hidden separatist agenda. It is far easier to deal with the outright hostile DPP.
Its still 10 times better than DPP who openly pick problem with PRC and even attempt to align with foreigners to intervene in China internal affair.

As I've said before, Taiwan actually has more autonomy than most EU countries despite not being recognized by the UN. They can decide their own fiscal and monetary policy to best suit their own needs.
They cannot decide their own foreign policy. Can Taiwan allow foreign warship visit anytime it wants. Even Singapore cant do that now after PRC protest.

If Singapore cant even decide any foreign military alliance or exercise with foreign countries and you can call yourselves independent? LOL..
 

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TAIPEI: Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen resigned as head of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party following local election losses on Saturday (Nov 26) suffered by her party.
Voters in Taiwan overwhelmingly chose the opposition Kuomintang, or KMT in several major races across the self-ruled island in an election in which lingering concerns about threats from China took a backseat to more local issues.
I have an honest question, please try to give me a dispassionate answer:

When the Chinese in PRC see how the President of Taiwan resigned after losing elections and congratulated her successor to form a new government, what do they think about the politics of Taiwan? Are they surprised? shocked? impressed? think it is stupid? amazed? What are their feelings and opinions? Even if expressed privately.
 

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You are right. Taiwan will vote to join China in a referendum tomorrow if given the chance. LOL.

Not looking good for Beijing...all the pro-China reunification is on the bottom (for the last 30 years BTW)...while all the "maintain status quo" is at the top....but there is a huge jump in the "status quo->Independence" numbers.
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TAIPEI: Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen resigned as head of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party following local election losses on Saturday (Nov 26) suffered by her party.
Voters in Taiwan overwhelmingly chose the opposition Kuomintang, or KMT in several major races across the self-ruled island in an election in which lingering concerns about threats from China took a backseat to more local issues.

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Tsai had spoken out many times about “opposing China and defending Taiwan” in the course of campaigning for her party. But the party’s candidate Chen Shih-chung, who lost his battle for mayor of Taipei, only raised the issue of the Communist Party’s threat a few times before he quickly switched back to local issues as there was little interest, experts said.
Tsai offered her resignation on Saturday evening, a tradition after a major loss, in a short speech in which she also thanked supporters.
“I must shoulder all the responsibility,” she said. “Faced with a result like this, there are many areas that we must deeply review.”
While international observers and the ruling party have attempted to link the elections to the long-term existential threat that is Taiwan’s neighbor, many local experts do not think China — which claims the island as its territory to be annexed by force if necessary — has a large role to play this time around.
“The international community has raised the stakes too high. They’ve raised a local election to this international level, and Taiwan’s survival,” said Yeh-lih Wang, a political science professor at National Taiwan University.

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During campaigning, there were few mentions of the large-scale military exercises targeting Taiwan that China held in August in reaction to US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit.
“So I think if you can’t even raise this issue in Taipei,” Wang said. “You don’t even need to consider it in cities in the south.”
Candidates from the KMT won the mayoral seat in Taipei, Taiwan’s capital, as well as in Taoyuan, Taichung and New Taipei city.
Taiwanese were picking their mayors, city council members and other local leaders in all 13 counties and in nine cities. There was also a referendum to lower the voting age from 20 to 18, which was defeated, according to local media.
Chiang Wan-an, the new Taipei mayor, declared victory Saturday night in a large rally. “I will let the world see Taipei’s greatness,” he said.

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Not all votes had been formally counted by the time of his speech, but Chiang and the other candidates’ numerical lead allowed them to declare victory.

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Kao Hung-an, a candidate in the relatively new Taiwan People’s Party, won the mayoral seat in Hsinchu, a city home to many of Taiwan’s semi-conductor companies.
Campaigns had resolutely focused on the local: Air pollution in the central city of Taichung, traffic snarls in Taipei’s tech hub Nangang, and the island’s COVID-19 vaccine purchasing strategies, which had left the island in short supply during an outbreak last year.
The defeat for the ruling DPP may be partly due to how it handled the pandemic.
“The public has some dissatisfaction with the DPP on this, even though Taiwan has done well relatively speaking in pandemic prevention,” said Weihao Huang, a political science professor at National Sun Yat-sen University.

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At an elementary school in New Taipei City, the city that surrounds Taipei, voters young and old came early despite the rain.
Yu Mei-zhu, 60, said she came to cast her ballot for the incumbent Mayor Hou You-yi. “I think he has done well, so I want to continue to support him. I believe in him, and that he can improve our environment in New Taipei City and our transportation infrastructure.”
Tsai came out early Saturday morning to cast her ballot, catching many voters by surprise as her security and entourage swept through the school.
“If the DPP loses many county seats, then their ability to rule will face a very strong challenge,” said You Ying-lung, chair at the Taiwanese Public Opinion Foundation that regularly conducts public surveys on political issues.
The election results will in some ways also reflect the public’s attitude toward the ruling party’s performance in the last two years, You said.
Some felt apathetic to the local race. “It feels as if everyone is almost the same, from the policy standpoint,” said 26-year-old Sean Tai, an employee at a hardware store.
Tai declined to say who he voted for, but wants someone who will raise Taipei’s profile and bring better economic prospects while keeping the status quo with China. “We don’t want to be completely sealed off. I really hope that Taiwan can be seen internationally,” he said.
Source: AP/fh

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Why did Green party loses so badly? I thought all Taiwanese are fully behind the independent Green party for Independent of Taiwan? Does this means most Taiwanese do not want independent from China but continue stable and economic growth as priority?

Most Taiwanese agree one China policy and Taiwan is not fully independent. They believe they are part of China. :enjoy:

If PRC throw a referendum for Taiwan now, I am sure most Taiwanese will vote for one China and no independent from mainland China. :enjoy:
I think people of taiwan voted the DPP clowns out becos they are afraid that the DPP will get into military confrontation or war with the mainland. But, the KMT is not that much different, their party chief and Taipei mayor Chiang are both very pro-america, anti-communist and anti-unification.
 

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LOL... Why are you keep avoiding why Tsai Ing Wen loses the election? Isnt she what you all claim that she has the back of Taiwanese supporting her independent of Taiwan?

You can even post 100 points of why u think Taiwan is independent but still cant avoid the fact, Tsai Ing Wen loses and Taiwanese dont approved her stupid policy of pushing Taiwan into da
Why are YOU avoiding to give me a clear answer on what I said? You've been doing that repeatedly.

As I've said before, Taiwan actually has more autonomy than most EU countries despite not being recognized by the UN. They can decide their own fiscal and monetary policy to best suit their own needs.
Taiwan is not in union with any other country like the EU is. Why do you even compare Taiwan with the EU?
 

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It is good our ancestor from Taiwan was migrating to maritime South East Asia so that we can avoid this clash with China to happen :D

 

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Its still 10 times better than DPP who openly pick problem with PRC and even attempt to align with foreigners to intervene in China internal affair.
KMT is a US proxy while DPP is a Japanese proxy. Not much difference between the two. Xi is far too risk adverse. Without DPP pushing the red line, this will drag on far longer than necessary. The local election doesn’t really affect the overall cross strait relation, so this isn’t much of a concerned. But I do hope DPP hold onto the election in 2024.
 

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TAIPEI: Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen resigned as head of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party following local election losses on Saturday (Nov 26) suffered by her party.
Voters in Taiwan overwhelmingly chose the opposition Kuomintang, or KMT in several major races across the self-ruled island in an election in which lingering concerns about threats from China took a backseat to more local issues.

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Tsai had spoken out many times about “opposing China and defending Taiwan” in the course of campaigning for her party. But the party’s candidate Chen Shih-chung, who lost his battle for mayor of Taipei, only raised the issue of the Communist Party’s threat a few times before he quickly switched back to local issues as there was little interest, experts said.
Tsai offered her resignation on Saturday evening, a tradition after a major loss, in a short speech in which she also thanked supporters.
“I must shoulder all the responsibility,” she said. “Faced with a result like this, there are many areas that we must deeply review.”
While international observers and the ruling party have attempted to link the elections to the long-term existential threat that is Taiwan’s neighbor, many local experts do not think China — which claims the island as its territory to be annexed by force if necessary — has a large role to play this time around.
“The international community has raised the stakes too high. They’ve raised a local election to this international level, and Taiwan’s survival,” said Yeh-lih Wang, a political science professor at National Taiwan University.

ADVERTISEMENT​


During campaigning, there were few mentions of the large-scale military exercises targeting Taiwan that China held in August in reaction to US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit.
“So I think if you can’t even raise this issue in Taipei,” Wang said. “You don’t even need to consider it in cities in the south.”
Candidates from the KMT won the mayoral seat in Taipei, Taiwan’s capital, as well as in Taoyuan, Taichung and New Taipei city.
Taiwanese were picking their mayors, city council members and other local leaders in all 13 counties and in nine cities. There was also a referendum to lower the voting age from 20 to 18, which was defeated, according to local media.
Chiang Wan-an, the new Taipei mayor, declared victory Saturday night in a large rally. “I will let the world see Taipei’s greatness,” he said.

ADVERTISEMENT​



Not all votes had been formally counted by the time of his speech, but Chiang and the other candidates’ numerical lead allowed them to declare victory.

Related:​


Taiwan opposition wins control of Taipei in setback for President Tsai

Kao Hung-an, a candidate in the relatively new Taiwan People’s Party, won the mayoral seat in Hsinchu, a city home to many of Taiwan’s semi-conductor companies.
Campaigns had resolutely focused on the local: Air pollution in the central city of Taichung, traffic snarls in Taipei’s tech hub Nangang, and the island’s COVID-19 vaccine purchasing strategies, which had left the island in short supply during an outbreak last year.
The defeat for the ruling DPP may be partly due to how it handled the pandemic.
“The public has some dissatisfaction with the DPP on this, even though Taiwan has done well relatively speaking in pandemic prevention,” said Weihao Huang, a political science professor at National Sun Yat-sen University.

ADVERTISEMENT​


At an elementary school in New Taipei City, the city that surrounds Taipei, voters young and old came early despite the rain.
Yu Mei-zhu, 60, said she came to cast her ballot for the incumbent Mayor Hou You-yi. “I think he has done well, so I want to continue to support him. I believe in him, and that he can improve our environment in New Taipei City and our transportation infrastructure.”
Tsai came out early Saturday morning to cast her ballot, catching many voters by surprise as her security and entourage swept through the school.
“If the DPP loses many county seats, then their ability to rule will face a very strong challenge,” said You Ying-lung, chair at the Taiwanese Public Opinion Foundation that regularly conducts public surveys on political issues.
The election results will in some ways also reflect the public’s attitude toward the ruling party’s performance in the last two years, You said.
Some felt apathetic to the local race. “It feels as if everyone is almost the same, from the policy standpoint,” said 26-year-old Sean Tai, an employee at a hardware store.
Tai declined to say who he voted for, but wants someone who will raise Taipei’s profile and bring better economic prospects while keeping the status quo with China. “We don’t want to be completely sealed off. I really hope that Taiwan can be seen internationally,” he said.
Source: AP/fh

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Why did Green party loses so badly? I thought all Taiwanese are fully behind the independent Green party for Independent of Taiwan? Does this means most Taiwanese do not want independent from China but continue stable and economic growth as priority?

Most Taiwanese agree one China policy and Taiwan is not fully independent. They believe they are part of China. :enjoy:

If PRC throw a referendum for Taiwan now, I am sure most Taiwanese will vote for one China and no independent from mainland China. :enjoy:
Damn, the Green Mistress resigned, what happened? KMT won big?
 

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Why are YOU avoiding to give me a clear answer on what I said? You've been doing that repeatedly.


Taiwan is not in union with any other country like the EU is. Why do you even compare Taiwan with the EU?
What did I avoid? The situation u given of Taiwan is not much different from Hong Kong. As what Xi say, one country, 2 system. Taiwan cannot decide the defence and foreign policy of their own. Same as HK.

While it's u who keep avoiding about the defeat of DPP whom u brag having the support of Taiwanese supporting her independent policy. The voters has make the decision. They want one China policy.

KMT is a US proxy while DPP is a Japanese proxy. Not much difference between the two. Xi is far too risk adverse. Without DPP pushing the red line, this will drag on far longer than necessary. The local election doesn’t really affect the overall cross strait relation, so this isn’t much of a concerned. But I do hope DPP hold onto the election in 2024.
Taiwan having only both DPP and KMT as main political party. Which party do u expect to won? At least KMT do not advocate away from one China policy. If u think KMT is worst than DPP. Then u r wrong. DPP is very pro american too. They are worst of both world.
 

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I think people of taiwan voted the DPP clowns out becos they are afraid that the DPP will get into military confrontation or war with the mainland. But, the KMT is not that much different, their party chief and Taipei mayor Chiang are both very pro-america, anti-communist and anti-unification.
Is still better than DPP. PRC needs peaceful growth in coming 5 years. With DPP in power and keep picking PRC. Do u think that can be achieved? Let me ask u one simple question. Do u think KMT will seek away from one China policy like DPP? Definitely no..
 

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It seems like all foreign countries enemies leader of PRC loses their election and the people make know that anti China policy are not their agenda. They are more keen to build better r/s with China to improve their livelihood. :enjoy:

Morrison
Boris Johnson
Tsai Ing Wen

What's next? :lol:

Is it over for the DDP?
It's not over but Taiwanese make know their feeling that anti-PRC and separation is not their main agenda. What Taiwanese want is improve their livelihood, fight inflation and increase their salaries. Whoever can put money on their table, they will support including PRC.

DPP Tsai Ing Wen if want to win the 2024 president election, she need to adjust more internal policy , more cooperation with mainland China to improve Taiwanese living standard. If she continue her hardline stance against PRC, and u will know what happened in 2024.
 

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Is still better than DPP. PRC needs peaceful growth in coming 5 years. With DPP in power and keep picking PRC. Do u think that can be achieved? Let me ask u one simple question. Do u think KMT will seek away from one China policy like DPP? Definitely no..
Both these KMT guys are anti-unification to the bones, the KMT is a separatist party also maybe not publically. If DPP is in power, China might be able to solve the Taiwan independence ptoblem once for all. If KMT is in power the next years, the unification process will be drag on forever. Both options have pros and cons for China. China have to decide if it wants to reunite with Taiwan using force in the next coming years.
 

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Its still 10 times better than DPP who openly pick problem with PRC and even attempt to align with foreigners to intervene in China internal affair.


They cannot decide their own foreign policy. Can Taiwan allow foreign warship visit anytime it wants. Even Singapore cant do that now after PRC protest.

If Singapore cant even decide any foreign military alliance or exercise with foreign countries and you can call yourselves independent? LOL..
In fact, I would rather see the DPP continue to govern. Let the Democratic Progressive Party help us completely eliminate the KMT.

The KMT and the DPP are essentially the same. Sooner or later, we need to eliminate them.

In the future, we can use an order to forcibly eliminate the DDP, but we cannot do this to the KMT. The insects hiding in our stomach are the most annoying, so we need to use the DPP to destroy the KMT in advance.
 

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