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TAF never want to acquires a platform that will not be sufficient in terms of hot-high performance. On the contrary, I can give dozens of examples showing how challenging they are on this type of issue. Even the choice of LHTEC engine set in the current T-129 project is about this effort.

However, the heavy class attack helicopter has advantages such as armor and firepower, as well as some disadvantages in terms of agility and response of maneuver. I think dear @RadarGudumluMuhimmat wanted to say this.
 

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I sincerely hope they get approved on their end too.

Please do your magic, TAI!

Let us hold out until the ts1400 goes operational, then we can replace the uncle sam engines with those down the line.

TS1400 will be maybe 5 years later used in Millitairy aviation if they start now, in a interview with Aksit CEO of TEI. He told that the current engines are not suitable for millitiairy choppers, they need extra oil pump.

Ther is no project started for that, another additional upgrade needed to use TS1400 on a gunship. The engine is most difficult part of a defence project. I don't think that TS1400 will be used in T129 Atak, TS1400 designed for Gokbey civil chopper.
 

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Every part of US policy shouts clearly - "we consider Pakistan an enemy". There is no desire on their part of even try and bring Pakistan to their camp or even be slightly even-handed. The lines are clearly drawn, yet there remains this out of mind expectation of Pakistan. What are the policy makers in the US smoking? Perhaps they are banking on the old guard of politicians and weak generals - which is I guess a possibility. Nevertheless, what a bad move on the part of the US. From FATF, to blocking military sales from third parties - while supplying India with Apache's, and opening potential for for f18/f16 plants, nuclear technology, P3C, and on and on. I wonder will there even be self-reflection in the US on how they lost Pakistan. I guess expecting that level of introspection from a hubris laden super-power is expecting too much.
 
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Dont forget turkish deal with Ukraine about share purchasing.... there is big possibility that they will try find engine solution from Ukraine for T129 untill there own engine is not ready
 

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TS1400 will be maybe 5 years later used in Millitairy aviation if they start now, in a interview with Aksit CEO of TEI. He told that the current engines are not suitable for millitiairy choppers, they need extra oil pump.

Ther is no project started for that, another additional upgrade needed to use TS1400 on a gunship. The engine is most difficult part of a defence project. I don't think that TS1400 will be used in T129 Atak, TS1400 designed for Gokbey civil chopper.
let it be even if its 2030 its still a achievement

these are core technologies we are talking about and it takes decades to master them, Turkey is on the right path and they have already cracked the UAV and now turboprop and turboshaft is almost there

next is turbofan
 

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TS1400 will be maybe 5 years later used in Millitairy aviation if they start now, in a interview with Aksit CEO of TEI. He told that the current engines are not suitable for millitiairy choppers, they need extra oil pump.

Ther is no project started for that, another additional upgrade needed to use TS1400 on a gunship. The engine is most difficult part of a defence project. I don't think that TS1400 will be used in T129 Atak, TS1400 designed for Gokbey civil chopper.
The TS-1400 engine was designed for the civilian helicopter Gökbey, that's right. However, it does not take 5 years to prepare it according to military standards. I think that expression is exaggerated. When certified on a civil helicopter, the military version is also ready.

Considering the embargo imposed by Canada on the Hürkuş engine, we must definitely prepare the military version of the TS-1400 engine. Because the turboprop version of the TS-1400 engine will also be required.

On the other hand, I think also T129 will never fly with the TS-1400. If we are going to use the TS-1400 engine in a military helicopter, we design a new helicopter suitable for that engine.
 

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let it be even if its 2030 its still a achievement

these are core technologies we are talking about and it takes decades to master them, Turkey is on the right path and they have already cracked the UAV and now turboprop and turboshaft is almost there

next is turbofan
To bypass this time span they getting 50 percent share of established Ukrainian engines company
 

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US approves Turkey military helicopter sale to Philippines
Washington issues export licenses to Turkey to sell T129 attack helicopters, which use American engines

The United States has approved export licences to Turkey to sell T129 military helicopters to the Philippines, multiple Turkish officials said on Monday.

Serdar Demir, a corporate communications president with T129 producer Turkish Aerospace Industries, known as TAI, said Washington had issued the required paperwork for the sale of six units of the attack helicopter.

The T129 is powered by two LHTEC T800-4A turboshaft engines, which are produced through a joint venture between the American firm Honeywell and the British company Rolls-Royce. US law requires foreign companies to obtain export permits for the US military grade commercial sales.

Washington issued the licences despite Congressional opposition against any military deal with Turkey.

Tensions between the US and Turkey spiked under theTrump administration over Ankara's insistence on going forward with its purchase of the Russian S-400 missile defence system.

Following a series of failed negotiations, Turkey's activation of the missile system triggered US sanctions against the Turkish defence industry. The move also led to Washington removing Ankara from the F-35 fighter jet programme, which Turkey had initially helped fund.

However a Turkish official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Middle East Eye that the engine export licence didn't need Congressional authorisation because it was below the amount required by law for congressional oversight.

"The licence was directly issued by the State Department," the official said. “We also received export licences for the engines needed last year for T129 helicopters to be used by Turkish authorities.”

US law suggests that the government needs to notify Congress with regard to commercially licenced defense articles if they involve major defence sales of $25m or higher with NATO allies.

A State Department spokesperson declined to comment on the issue, saying that federal law and regulation bars them from doing so on such matters.

In 2018, Pakistan also struck a $1.5bn contract with TAI to purchase 30 T129 helicopters but the company could not get confirmation from the US Congress for the sale. Turkish officials received another six month extension in March from Pakistan to continue lobbying American lawmakers.
 

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