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All long time pro-NATO Finns like myself send their thanks to Mr. Putin

He did in few months what we couldn't do in decades.
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Oh really ?? Then WHY DON'T THEIR SO CALLED LEADERS NOT GO TO THEIR PEOPLE FOR A REFERENDUM??? I guess there are the same US installed Beggars like the ones in Pakistan ! :lol: :lol:
 

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These ”people” in Donbass were led by Russians and the war was fought by a very large force from the Russian Army disguised as volunteers.
That makes it a violation of the Geneva Convention.
We'll never agree.
The Serbs caused the splitup of Yugoslavia by trying to repress the other regions, including committing genocide. Iraq has committed genocide against Kurds.
Yugoslavia's constitution was against seperatism. I understand that Slovenes and Croats wanted leave,communism was collapsing and nationalism started coming back again. Technically,according to the Yugoslav Constitution,they had no right to leave and the Yugoslav Army tried to stop them. As more and more Slovenes,Croats and Muslims started deserting from the JNA,it became a more Serb-dominated army. They were the ones fighting for the unity of the country initially,but then just for the right of their own people to stay in Yugoslavia. As for the word "genocide",it's been thrown around very easily the last 30 years. Saddam was extremely nasty,yes,the Kurds have always fought for an independent Kurdistan,yes...but you can't just support independence here and there(as USA)and when another country does the same,you protest and call it a blatant violation of sovereignty.

The US has not granted any areas and has not annexed any territory in Iraq or Serbia.
The U.S. basically gave Kosovo to the Albanians by militarily supporting UCK during the war,leading a NATO campaign against Serbia and recognizing Kosovo's indepedence.

Why do you think the Albanians have a statue of Bill Clinton in Prishtina?


Americans an Western European countries in NATO and with their recognisition later on,gave Kosovo to Albanians,which depopulated the Serbs even more,had many churches and monasteries destroyed or attacked and eventually this experiment became a failed mafia State.


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So instead of responding to the well known fact that Russia meddled in the internal affairs of Ukraine you engage in whataboutism and fantasies.

There goes your credibility.

Ukraine scores 33/100 on the corruption index
compared to 31 for Russia (and 30 for Pakistan).

That is why they are not allowed either in the EU or in NATO. The EU is working with Ukraine to establish better procedures to decrease corruption and Ukraine increased 3 points since last time.
Go to hell with those biased indices and organizations like UN. Those things are made to downgrade your rivals, not factual things.
If today Taliban start appreciative you yanks then they will once again become the pioneers of freedom and civilized world.
 

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We'll never agree.

Yugoslavia's constitution was against seperatism. I understand that Slovenes and Croats wanted leave,communism was collapsing and nationalism started coming back again. Technically,according to the Yugoslav Constitution,they had no right to leave and the Yugoslav Army tried to stop them. As more and more Slovenes,Croats and Muslims started deserting from the JNA,it became a more Serb-dominated army. They were the ones fighting for the unity of the country initially,but then just for the right of their own people to stay in Yugoslavia. As for the word "genocide",it's been thrown around very easily the last 30 years. Saddam was extremely nasty,yes,the Kurds have always fought for an independent Kurdistan,yes...but you can't just support independence here and there(as USA)and when another country does the same,you protest and call it a blatant violation of sovereignty.


The U.S. basically gave Kosovo to the Albanians by militarily supporting UCK during the war,leading a NATO campaign against Serbia and recognizing Kosovo's indepedence.

Why do you think the Albanians have a statue of Bill Clinton in Prishtina?


Americans an Western European countries in NATO and with their recognisition later on,gave Kosovo to Albanians,which depopulated the Serbs even more,had many churches and monasteries destroyed or attacked and eventually this experiment became a failed mafia State.


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It has been documented how Russia brought in the BUK launcher which shot down the MH-17.
plenty of Russians died in Donbass, Why?

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The independence of Kosovo and the Kurds are easily explained by the right of self-defense when facing genocide or ethnic cleansing.

”Granting” something is a legal term. That did not happen.
 

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The independence of Kosovo and the Kurds are easily explained by the right of self-defense when facing genocide or ethnic cleansing.
Kosovo and "ethnic cleansing"?

Ok bye,sir. Good luck with the membership. I'm done here.

”Granting” something is a legal term. That did not happen.
Yes and in the same way,the Russians never invaded Crimea,it was unknown green men. And Donbas militias were made of locals only.
 

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Kosovo and "ethnic cleansing"?
UNSC resolution 1244
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The world has publicly stated that Yugoslavia aka Serbia repressed the Albanians in Kosovo.
This included killing civilians in the same way as we have seen Russians killing civilians in Ukraine. I.E: taking prisoners followed by execution. This caused people to flee. What better terminology than ethnic cleansing?
Ok bye,sir. Good luck with the membership. I'm done here.


Yes and in the same way,the Russians never invaded Crimea,it was unknown green men. And Donbas militias were made of locals only
  • Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.
  • Russia started an insurgency in Donbass and supported it with men and equipment.
  • The US and NATO fought Serbia which changed the relative strength of Albanians vs Serbians in Kosovo.
  • The US and NATO never ”granted” anything.
 
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UNSC resolution 1244
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The world has publicly stated that Yugoslavia aka Serbia repressed the Albanians in Kosovo.
This included killing civilians in the same way as we have seen Russians killing civilians in Ukraine. I.E: taking prisoners followed by execution. This caused people to flee. What better terminology than ethnic cleansing?

  • Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.
  • Russia started an insurgency in Donbass and supported it with men and equipment.
  • The US and NATO fought Serbia which changed the relative strength of Albanians vs Serbians in Kosovo.
  • The US and NATO never ”granted” anything.
I think it's pointless to keep talking,we'll disagree and get nowhere even after 100 posts.
 

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Because you also start promoting nazism in Ukraine which also pose security threat to Russia.
Didn't have to promote crap. Russians have their own neo Nazis thats been around for many years. Russians just using one of the excuses to look like they are fighting Nazis piled on biolabs and nukes and defending the newly recognized DNR/LNR just few days before the invasion and claiming to protect them, etc.
 

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Didn't have to promote crap. Russians have their own neo Nazis thats been around for many years. Russians just using one of the excuses to look like they are fighting Nazis piled on biolabs and nukes and defending the newly recognized DNR/LNR just few days before the invasion and claiming to protect them, etc.
Everything, every word which comes out from a American has lost credibility a long time ago.
 

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