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Not really, that is western BS for obvious reasons... Always remember it's not just the machine but also the man behind the machine that counts.

Agree. Unfortunately for the Indians both their Russian equipment and Indian personnel operating them are piece of junk.

Agreed.
I feel the pain of Russian engines on JF-17 that you all have to put up with.

We are replacing the junk Russian engines with superior Chinese engines. Russian engines were just a stop gap arrangement.

But majority of your military equipment is made up of Russian junk.
 

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You guys even celebrate Galwan as a victory:

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Who can stop you for falling for your own propaganda.
 

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:D we have the liberty and money to play with various stuff and get technical assistance from France, Russia, Israel and in certain circumstances the US.
Atleast we have a now local albeit fledgling arms industry that will improve further more by trial and error.

Can't deny that.
 

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Pakistan didn’t feel the immediate requirement of media visit to the so called seminary at Balakot, attacked by IAF. It occurred to them after two months that media visit is a good idea to prove that there was no attack to the structure. T
Ana another Proof

another movie with 5 musicals


PM Modi: Agar rafale Hotaaaa... to may khud movie bana leta
 

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So you are suggesting that IAF MiG-21 carried AAM on it's center pylon instead of external fuel tank which was used to down F-16 ??



This guy will be selected as the next director for the Bollywood movie........Abhi none done will be shown as shooting his pistol from the cockpit to down F16.....

Reading this guy's post makes me for ever wanna stay away from cow dung....
 

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Did Pakistan make the movie Shooting down 2 Su 30 MKi? It will be interesting to watch...

Indians will be more interested to watch on balakot air strike movie (Even if missed the target by IAF).. Since almost everyone once knows that shooting down F 16 and Su30 MKi was the part of a propaganda informational war of both the countries... It will not be get much publicity.
Lol, Indians have accepted that the F-16 was a lie and now they are trying to save face with the Su-30MKI as well 😂

Nah, there's a fair chance the Su-30MKI was shot down, don't try dismiss it, the claim is nowhere near as retarded as the F-16 claim

Look, there's a positive you can take out of all this and that is India is very capable in the information warfare domain, you have spent a lot of time and funding in this area and 2019 propaganda is just the tip of the iceberg.

In comparison, Pakistan is lazy and incompetent, it doesn't bother with tackling propaganda effectively or dismantling Indian misinformation. It probably sees it as irrelevant and worthless in the grand scheme of things. Meanwhile India is very self-conscious about it's image and does everything it can to sharpen it towards their liking and spread it everywhere, part of this is maligning its enemies.

Pakistan ranted a lot about information warfare but delivered little to none.
 
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In comparison, Pakistan is lazy and incompetent, it doesn't bother with tackling propaganda effectively or dismantling Indian misinformation.
Time to disband ISPR. Sole purpose of this Maj General led organisation is to sell a narrative. They do make videos with kids claiming to capture Delhi and have Beef Biryani there. They produce various kind of media to propagate their theories. But, are they doing there job well?

Doosra bada to what not, they do seem clumsy and incapable actually. They even made IK make a statement in the senate about capturing two pilots. IK made the statement adequately after the skirmish was over and sufficient flow of information would have (should have) taken place by then. Later they stopped talking about doosra banda with entire Pakistan media too going completely silent over it. Probably on the directions of ISPR. DG later passed a small footnote kind of remark justifying his mistake in counting skills. Others supporting him with fog of war cover.
Denying media visit to the site immediately after the strike but taking them there after 2 months. What were they thinking? If not media, they could have themselves released pictures of the site showing no damage. If that was the case?

Loopholes galore.

One thing was surely shot down post Balakot. Which is - Paksiatn providing material support to militants in Kashmir. Which was the strategic aim of the Indian strike. If killing few crows and damaging few trees (as claimed by Pakistan) achieved that, then it was a job well done.

Tactical narrative has loopholes on both sides. That has been argued multiple times on PDF and there is no end to it.
 
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Time to disband ISPR. Sole purpose of this Maj General led organisation is to sell a narrative. They do make videos with kids claiming to capture Delhi and have Beef Biryani there and they also have almost complete control over all domestic dramas. But, are they doing there job well?
What do you mean control over domestic dramas? Are you saying ISPR controls all TV shows?

Doosra bada to what not, they do seem clumsy and incapable actually. They even made IK make a statement in the senate about capturing two pilots. IK made the statement adequately after the skirmish was over and sufficient flow of information would have (should have) taken place by then. Later they stopped talking about doosra banda with entire Pakistan media too going completely silent over it. Probably on the directions of ISPR. DG later passed a small footnote kind of remark justifying his mistake in counting skills. Others supporting him with fog of war cover.
Denying media visit to the site immediately after the strike but taking them there after 2 months. What were they thinking? If not media, they could have themselves released pictures of the site showing no damage. If that was the case?
It likely was an error in the information chain, it wouldn't be unlike Pakistan, they are clumsy and tend to rush. India in this regard is not, as they are disciplined and organised.

If India can shoot down it's own heli and kill it's own men during the fog of war, I think it's very fair to give the same benefit of the doubt to Pakistan also, especially considering they still maintain the story of the Su-30MKI so the pilot they thought they had captured could be linked to that.

Regardless my point was not just public military statements actually, it was more-so information warfare that goes on in the background. India is quite experienced and skilled in this, Pakistan is not, or doesn't see it as useful.
 
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Lol, Indians have accepted that the F-16 was a lie and now they are trying to save face with the Su-30MKI as well 😂

Nah, there's a fair chance the Su-30MKI was shot down, don't try dismiss it, the claim is nowhere near as retarded as the F-16 claim

Look, there's a positive you can take out of all this and that is India is very capable in the information warfare domain, you have spent a lot of time and funding in this area and 2019 propaganda is just the tip of the iceberg.

In comparison, Pakistan is lazy and incompetent, it doesn't bother with tackling propaganda effectively or dismantling Indian misinformation. It probably sees it as irrelevant and worthless in the grand scheme of things. Meanwhile India is very self-conscious about it's image and does everything it can to sharpen it towards their liking and spread it everywhere, part of this is maligning its enemies.

Pakistan ranted a lot about information warfare but delivered little to none.
I am not like a funboy & fool who believes su 30 was shoot down.....Lol

I don't believe on government or military claims without any conclusive evidence... Even if about our indian government.
 
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Time to disband ISPR. Sole purpose of this Maj General led organisation is to sell a narrative. They do make videos with kids claiming to capture Delhi and have Beef Biryani there and they also have almost complete control over all domestic dramas. But, are they doing there job well?

Doosra bada to what not, they do seem clumsy and incapable actually. They even made IK make a statement in the senate about capturing two pilots. IK made the statement adequately after the skirmish was over and sufficient flow of information would have (should have) taken place by then. Later they stopped talking about doosra banda with entire Pakistan media too going completely silent over it. Probably on the directions of ISPR. DG later passed a small footnote kind of remark justifying his mistake in counting skills. Others supporting him with fog of war cover.
Denying media visit to the site immediately after the strike but taking them there after 2 months. What were they thinking? If not media, they could have themselves released pictures of the site showing no damage. If that was the case?

Loopholes galore.

One thing was surely shot down post Balakot. Which is - Paksiatn providing material support to militants in Kashmir. Which was the strategic aim of the Indian strike. If killing few crows and damaging few trees (as claimed by Pakistan) achieved that, then it was a job well done.

Tactical narrative has loopholes on both sides. That has been argued multiple times on PDF and there is no end to it.
Again too much talk and and nobody knows what you want to say.
Media was allowed within 48 hours to visit and proof provided already here in this thread Why you keep ranting again and again. Live satellite images can be obtained. Truth is you people keep mocking your own self again and again.
There are loopholes on both sides but ratio is 5:95 (95 on Indian side).
You army changed narrative about spice bombs atleast 3 times. What about that?
There is a a clear misinformation and misunderstanding in your own accounts, latest being cloud theory and agar rafale hota.
Regarding Su30 mki we provided all the proofs from you people side. You people told everyone that your Su30 mki was also shot. It your people in Indian occupied Kashmir which testify you to your own media and your media published all the information. Once the beans are spilled, nothing can be done.
About doosra banda thing, it was explained by DG ISPR very well who was that dossra bnda.
Keep digging and keep humiliating yourself.
 

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I wish the senior commanders had given the go ahead to take out all the extras in the air. Then the Indians would have been silent for at least a decade
Can you possibly explain why the F they didn’t give permission??
Amrika se darr rahay thay? Kanpein taang rahi thi??

Agar air command ka ye darpok rawayya ha to phir lanat ha inpe.
Should’ve shot down all and then taken it to their territory. Tabahi phaila k atay uss paar.
 

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I am not like a funboy & fool who believes su 30 was shoot down.....Lol

I don't believe on government or military claims without any conclusive evidence... Even if about our indian government.
Again I wonder what evidence you are talking about Su30?????
I gave above 4,5 links of evidence. All these belong to your main channel news plus the people living under your occupation.
It's your media asking your people and they telling you that an Indian jet was shot and fell inside Indian occupied territory. Now Mig21 fell inside Pakistani territory and is a display as a war trophy with Pakistan.
Are you trying to say that a F-16 was shot that fell inside Indian occupied Kashmir?
 

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