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It would still be folly to underestimate this aircraft and its potential. However, it all reflects back to the Indian warfighter and their “elan” in terms of its employment effectiveness.
As I correctly say, a road side beggar saying Hindustan Murd*bad will be made heros by Pakistanis. Seriously this is your arguement?
That particular beggar was near goddess status until she changed her stance - so really your argument is that Indian sources either have no integrity unless they are constantly positive for India? Or as they put it, you are wholly a bunch of self aggrandizement obsessed hypocrites.
 

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Nobody..in fact 5 AMRAAMS were dodged for no loss.
So 5 were fired....and IAF found one......lodged into an SU-30.
As I correctly say, a road side beggar saying Hindustan Murd*bad will be made heros by Pakistanis. Seriously this is your arguement?
The Indian dream of white folks begging on Delhi streets is still some distant away, however Christine Fair was flown in all expenses paid in hope that she will sing to Indian tunes.....seems she was unaware that Indians are very allergic to any truth.
 

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So 5 were fired....and IAF found one......lodged into an SU-30.
nope. That's the Pakistani version of the story. The Indian version was that none of the AMRAAMs found their mark, whereas the AMRAAM fired at the retreating MiG-21 Bison is the one that actually impacted with the ground and was recovered by a local who was even awarded by the local district administratinon.
 

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nope. That's the Pakistani version of the story. The Indian version was that none of the AMRAAMs found their mark, whereas the AMRAAM fired at the retreating MiG-21 Bison is the one that actually impacted with the ground and was recovered by a local who was even awarded by the local district administratinon.
Yea, that's SU-30 called 'Bingo' after just 45 minutes into flight and both Mirages developed Radar issues.
At least have the decency to admit as why else was your PM crying out for Rafales.
 

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It was Imran that promised westerners will be migrating to Pakistan for jobs. Pakistan will be lending money to other countries, after he has recovered within a few months hundreds of billions of dollars he is sure exists in swiss accounts. There will free housing and medicine for all Pakistani's within a short time after PTI takes power. He would kill himself before accepting money from the IMF or beg for money from the Arabs.
That was before he got his begging bowl out, donned a chauffer's cap and uniform so he could be a driver for Arab princes.
Well, PM Imran is a joke anyway. No point quoting him. He also called Sheikh Rasheed a shameless character who he wouldn't keep even as a lowly servant/ slave (and we all know what he ended up employing him as!) Not just Imran - that seems to be the norm in Pakistan leadership circles. And not just Pakistan, to some extent the rest of the subcontinent as well, although Pakistan leadership definitely is way ahead when it comes to dishonesty, sheer incompetence, and utter lack of character.

However, the bigger signal this sends (and which to me is more worrisome) is the indication to the society at large. These leaders emerge from the local population and represent the rot in the larger society - education, character, morals, smarts, all social indicators.

On topic: the Su-30 MKIs are lethal and will be even more so post this upgrade - certainly beyond our current capabilities in the PAF even before the proposed upgrades to the sukhois. Anybody who wants to blow wind up their own rears (as many on this thread seem to be doing) are welcome to do so.
 
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It would still be folly to underestimate this aircraft and its potential.
I think you give too much respect for this aircraft. In China, flanker is favour more for it huge payload, range and twin engine due to China huge airspace.

Of cos , there are also lots of drawback like huge radar signature, heavy weight and high maintenance. Agility is not it's strongest point.
 

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It was Imran that promised westerners will be migrating to Pakistan for jobs. Pakistan will be lending money to other countries, after he has recovered within a few months hundreds of billions of dollars he is sure exists in swiss accounts. There will free housing and medicine for all Pakistani's within a short time after PTI takes power. He would kill himself before accepting money from the IMF or beg for money from the Arabs.
That was before he got his begging bowl out, donned a chauffer's cap and uniform so he could be a driver for Arab princes.
Politicians are known for tall claims but there is a moron next door who promised to clean a river and failed even after 2 election wins.
 

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India, Russia to sign pact on spares for Su 30 fleet, availability could go up to 75%

MOSCOW: India and Russia are set to sign a pact for quick delivery of spare parts for the Su 30 MKI fleet that would ensure that the aircraft is available for more combat missions - a key focus area for Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar who has working on reducing the amount of time frontline fighters are grounded due to technical issues.

The long term spares agreement will provide for an express process for the delivery of spares for the fleet for the next five years. Unlike in the past where each spare part had to be ordered separately with a lengthy process involving license, customs clearance and bank guarantees, the contract will ensure that spare parts start getting manufactured within a month of the air force raising a requirement.

"A delegation from the Indian defence ministry is expected in the second half of December and we hope to have a positive decision and sign the contract at the soonest," Valery V Chishchevoy, Marketing Director of Sukhoi told ET.

While in the past, the bureaucratic processes led to a 12 month time period between the time a requirement was raised and the spare part would start to get manufactured, this time will now be cut to 30 days.

hishchevoy said that the main purpose of the new agreement is to increase the reliability and availability of the Su 30 fleet to 60 percent and higher. The availability rate is the number of aircraft in the entire fleet that are available for combat missions at any given time. At present, just over 50 percent of India's Su 30 fleet - 272 of the fighters have been ordered - are available for combat missions as the rest are either undergoing repairs or grounded due to delay in the supply of spare of spare parts.

Defence Minister Parrikar has told ET in the past that his aim is to increase this availability rate to 65 percent and above so that the available resources of the air force are used optimally. The Su 30 MKI fleet is the cutting edge of the airforce and would be it largest in terms of numbers of a modern fighter jet.

There is a possibility that the availability of the fleet could touch the magical figure of 75 percent. Chishchevoy said that the Russian proposal ten years ago when the fleet was young was to appoint Sukhoi as the single supplier responsible for the serviceability of the fleet and 75 percent would be `guaranteed'.

"Under the new contract, after the receipt of a request from the Indian air force, the spare part wil be delivered to the air force warehouse within 4-12 months, depending on the time it takes to manufacture the part. As of now, 12 months are required for just to start the production, this will reduce to 30 days," Viacheslav Yu Lozan, After Sale Center Director, Sukhoi said.


India, Russia to sign pact on spares for Su 30 fleet, availability could go up to 75% - The Economic Times

Phazotron Zhuk AE AESA Radar



On the parked MiG-35 visting VIPs could get a closer look at the Russian latest AESA radar – the Zhuk-AE AESA, developed by Phazotron NIIR Corporation. India is already operating the BAR phased array radar on its Su-30MKI and has specified AESA as a critical element of the MRCA platform. This radar was developed with modular approach, enabling upgrading existing Zhuk ME/MSE radars, into the phased array equipped MFE/MSFE standard, deployed in MiG-29/Su-27 platforms.

This 3cm (X-band) radar. The Russians designed their radar to produce linear power output at the range of 6-8 watt, to address available power (provided by the aircraft) and performance (range). The radar uses multiple four channel transceivers modules generating an output of 5watt per channel, installed on a liquid cooled base plate to dissipate the generated heat. If a specific transceiver is overheated, it will be switched off by the radar computer until it cools down.



Zhuk-AE can detect aerial targets at ranges up to 130 km (head on) in both look-up or look down modes. Look-up tail-on detection range is 50km (40km look down). The radar can track 30 aerial targets in the track-while-scan mode, and engage six targets simultaneously in the attack mode.

The radar provides target designation data for various Russian made missiles such as the R-27R1(R1E0, RVV-AE, R-73E, Kh-31A, Kh-35E and R-27T(TE) missiles. The radar can distinguish and count closely flying targets as well as identifying targets with known signatures. Close maneuvering combat mode optimizes the system's performance to provide effective vertical scans, coverage of the HUD field-of view, and slew to follow the helmet sighting angles. Special optimization is also provided in the helicopter detection mode, detecting and attacking slow-flying and hovering targets. In the air/surface mode the radar supports ranging, mapping and tracking of moving targets, The radar supports real-beam, Doppler beam sharpening and focused synthetic aperture modes, offering different map scale expansion, map 'freezing', and tracking of four targets, including ground or sea-surface moving targets. It has a sea-surface search mode. The Zhuk AE can detect a destroyer size target at a range of 200 km.

The modernization program

At this stage Irkut is presenting cabin mockup, power plant and the wind box. The wing of this aircraft will be made of carbon fibres. According to Fedorov, India will remain Irkut’s largest and biggest partner in future as well.

This is the first such in Russia and not many foreign countries produce such aircrafts. Irkut is the largest flier of aircraft and aviation products in the market.

In response to questions, Fedorov informed that “as far as SU-30MKI is concerned, we have two modernization programs. First is the modernization where the cockpit and all systems would be improved. We are moving in the stage of negotiating technical part.”

He hopes that during this financial year Irkut will conclude the project. It is very large program which is several billion dollars. The second part would be the modernization of the aircraft together with Brahmos air-to-ground supersonic cruise missile program.

Now together with Indian Ministry of Defence we are working out how to share work under the modernization program. What will be done in Russia and in India will be finalized. Fedorov hoped, “this year we will come to conclusion.”

Asked what systems are being proposed, Fedorov declined to give details. But said that we are in negotiation for the upgrading of the entire Sukhoi-30 MKI USD 12 billion project for which the cost has gone up by USD 4 billion.

Under our signed contract, escalation of prices has been included, which is changing. Next year we plan to finalize the development work. After the development work we hope that two year time will be required to finish.

Fedorov revealed that the IAF wants that the new upgraded SU-30 MKIs should be called as Super Sukhoi fighter. Irkut is negotiating to incorporate the AESA radar in the Sukhoi-30MKIs.

Our idea is to modernize the SU-30 MKI to bring it to near 5th generation aircraft capability. At present, we are negotiating the upgradation. He asserted, “we are trying to get SU-30MKI maximally to FGFA.”

First of all, Irkut is modernizing the cockpit for pilots. This is so designed that it will be easier for the pilots to shift to Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft being developed jointly by India and Russia.

The upgraded Super Sukhoi would also have advanced stealth characteristics. The Super Sukhoi can also be equipped with other long range missiles like R-27P (AA-10 D) infrared homing extended range version of 120 km distance.

Besides medium range missiles like R-77 (AA-12) with active radar homing medium range 100 km along with other 80 km medium range missiles can also be added.

At present, the current fleet of Sukhoi-30MKIs in IAF will be upgraded to Super Sukhoi. He expressed confidence that the first Super Sukhoi aircraft will be ready by 2015. First the conversion of initial fleets inducted in the early years of last decade will be undertaken for conversion to Super Sukhoi.

As soon as all the testing is completed the older ones will start getting upgraded. But he refused to answer queries on the costs. But said, “total value will be of several billion dollars. It is difficult to tell you about exact price. SU-30 has good market in South East Asia.”
Hey this radar seems pretty crappy compared to the isreali radar on tejas and the French radar on the Rafael. It sounds low powered and not properly cooled as the computer would shutdown the Transmitter receive modules

why is India buying this?

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So sad that even when Having 20+ fighters against 6 Indian fighters of which 2 were obsolete MiG-21s, you were unable to bomb the Army Headquarters or do any damage to us.
Do u feel good little Pakistan flew its tiny airforce all over your army cheifs *** and you did nothing...Good job india
 

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