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SU 30 MKI Vs RAFALE SPECS

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Forum' started by core, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. DrSomnath999

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    i didnt get the sarcasm ,???
    what do u mean:what:
     
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    DrSomnath999:

    I really don't know how I can explain to you that a pure air superiority fighter(J10B) of the same generation will always have an upper hand over an ombi-role aircraft(Rafale) of the same generation.

    These articles prove absolutely zero.

    If ever the J-10B and Rafale meet in air-combat then it will be interesting to see the result.
     
  3. DrSomnath999

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    The problem with u is that ur allergic to knowledge & dont want to face the reality ,Good keep ur head below the sand
    [​IMG]
     
  4. rashtriya.rifles

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    One thing.. Just because it is supposed to be pure air-superiority doesn't mean that it automatically becomes better than a proven OMNI role fighter.

    eg. Just because Mig-29K are air-superiority doesn't mean they are better than omni role Rafales in air-superiority role..
     
  5. DrSomnath999

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    hey mate
    Why are u bothering to reply to any illterate retards which have technically zero knowledge about aerodynamics & aeronautics
     
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    long range foreign body motion sensors should be installed on aircrafts, which can even detect stealth. ( it is just an idea)
     
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    I agree with that statement.

    Rafale was designed to do everything, but at the cost of being slightly less good at everything than if it was specifically designed for just one role.

    J-10B has been optimised purely for air-superiority and will contain the latest Chinese advances in turbofan, radar and missile technologies. Remember, Pakistani engineers described the J-10A's avionics as being only a par with the F-16 Block 50, so you can imagine just how much better the J-10B's avionics will have progressed in the last decade.

    I only got involved when someone was using the word "DOMINATE" as far as SU-30MKI and Rafale are concerned. J-10B will be the Chinese 4+ generation counter to these Indian planes.
     
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    He is a Dentist

    I am sure you wont be laughing if he is operating on your 32 teeths
     
  9. core

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    Soooooo What......
    ..well...
    ...i prefer lady dentist.....
    sorry doc....som....
     
  10. Firemaster

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    I meant they only troll, spread hatemongering ,it can't be called arguement
     
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    lame ques..
    In what role does ur LCA fit in...?
    where does there sqd fit in..
    on borders ..in interceptors role..or ......
     
  12. DrSomnath999

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    oh yes they have been developing avionics but it is no way comparable to french ,& that is the reason why PAF officials were
    dying to have those avionics for their JF 17.

    Well readers enjoy this cool video & u also see what amazing avionics RAFALE has
    B]AMAZING VIDEO DEPICTING ALL THE SENSORS ON BOARD RAFALE[/B]
     
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    Interception / air superiority/ recon/ escort/ close air support..
     
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    When India will get Rafale , MKI won't be the best fighter of Asia. It would definitely be Rafale.
     
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    That's a believe of you or even of some EF supporters during MMRCA, but they were proven wrong when Rafale beat EF in BVR and WVR exercises and turned out to be as maneuverable as the F22 in dogfights. Both fighters designed for air superiority, both with higher service ceilling and maximum speed!
    The fact is, that you or some members in the threat took out just 2 specific capabilities and translated it automatically in superiority for J10B, but that is neither logically, nor practically correct!
    The claimed longer range detection would only be true if J10s AESA (IF it gets AESA) would be at least as capable as RBE 2, but since there is not a single source for the performance it can't be proven. Also radar detection is one side of the medal, but lower RCS the other!
    Rafale was designed from the start with a low RCS, therefor integrated several RCS reduction features, while it wasn't for J10A and even if use of "some" composites and RAM coatings is speculated now for the B version, there are limitations of the ammount that can be added afterwards. Add that Rafales SPECTRA is specifically designed for passive detection and weapon cueing capabilities, that it basically carries 3 x different BVR missiles at once, MICA IR + EM + METEOR beyond 2015 and you will find it very difficult to argue how J10B should be able to get first sight and first shot advantage.
    Same goes actually for speed too, because the maximum speed will be reached only with afterburners for a limited time, while Rafale can Supercruise without afterburners, with 4 x MICAs and a centerline tank.

    J10B has the potential to be a good fighter, especially when it comes in numbers, thanks to the lower costs for China, but as long as we have no reliable infos about radar, avionics and other changes of the upgrade, there is simply no base to claim superiority!