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SU 30 MKI Vs RAFALE SPECS

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  1. ramu

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    It will be a debate when we get some real specifications of j-10B. till then, no point.
     
  2. Abingdonboy

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    You are joking right? There is No Effing way the J-10B will be superior to the Rafale or Super 30 MKI do you homework before you spout out such nonsense. You're only making yourself look stupid.
     
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    Rafale vs SU-30MKI


    Was posted here before, but isn't very reliable.

    MKI don't has 3D TVC, if at all you can call it 2.5D. Check this older post:

    http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/49790-pak-fa-brahmos-9.html#post1345292

    Depends if the quoted price was for the 42 x MKIs only, or if it includes the upgrade of the first older MKIs to Super 30 level. This would be more logical and is actually the same that Saudi recently did as well, by upgrading their old and procuring new F15s for $30 billions.
    Wrt to the engine, that's just speculations! The upgrades isn't fixed yet, no official source has confirmed a new engine, or even an upgraded version yet. Klimov offers the S117 engine for the Su 30 operators, but since HAL is producing the AL 31s in India, it would be more logical to upgrade these for more thrust, instead of adding a new type of engine to the production line.
     
  4. Abingdonboy

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    No your right wrt the engine. It is true the Super 30 UPG is still very ambiguous in terms of what will be involved and what fighters will be upgraded. My bet is all MKIs in IAF fleet will be upgraded to the SUPER standard by 2018-20 but the nature of this upgrade is unknown like will all those MKIs upgraded to SUPER standard be able to launch Bhramos or just the 42 mentioned and the rest upgraded with avionics and a few minor structural upgrades and not the major structural upgrades needed to be able to launch Bhramos.
     
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    That's an upgrade for all ~ 100 fighters + 42 new once and all should get the capability to launch Brahmos, because it will not only be used as a land attack missile, but for maritime attack as well. It wouldn't make sense to add this capability to certain land or maritime attack squads, in times of multi role fighters.

    Btw, England won and is in the next round! ;)
     
  6. UKBengali

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    I am talking about the air superiority role - an area that the J-10B was specifically designed for.

    On the other hand, both Rafale and Su-30MKI are "jack of all trades" aircraft. They have advantages over the J-10B but will find it diffult to compete in the air-superiority role with J-10B.

    Please refer to the J-10B thread below:

    http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/188001-plaaf-j-10b-ready-enter-service-soon.html
     
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    I see nothing in the specs of the J10B that indicates it will be able to counter the Super 30MKI or Rafale (certainly not the suped-up version the IAF is getting). It seems in so many cases here members claim superiority of other systems purely because they will go against Indian equipment, if you took India out of the equation it is clear which side we'd all back-put India into it and the laws of physic, almost, get rewritten!!
     
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    J-10B full specs are not even out.
     
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    Listen deliverance, take your J10B **** somewhere else.. no indian posted about any J10Bs and neither has any inclination to.. it's some cheap idiots who are trying to rope it in the discussion.. so I humbly ask u to take off :) or stick to what is being discussed.
     
  10. Ziras

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    For all Rafale fans..
    The aircraft will make appearence at RIAT on 7th July this year,both static and flying display.
    I may post pics for you fan boys ;)
     
  11. KRAIT

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    Great mate.....do that...really appreciate if you do and upload....:D
     
  12. DrSomnath999

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    Oh boy !!!
    DO u know what crap ur posting ,do u know anything about rafale that ur blabbering here

    WTF u said Rafale is a jack of all trades & will find it diffICULTult to compete in the air-superiority role with J-10B.[​IMG]

    See boy what i am posting here,trust me u can learn something about rafale,seriously

    3)RAFALE'S SUPERB PERFORMANCE IN AERIAL EXERCISE WITH MIRAGE 2000 & f16:
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    http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fi...resse/lbg07/defense/rafale/foxThree_nr_10.pdf

    RAFALE THRASHING TYPHOON 9-1 in Solenzara, 2009.


    Rafale's War Game with F-22 (2009)


    [​IMG]
    Rafale News - Page 101


    After reading all this one would say it's an insult to rafale by comparing it with J10b:angry:
     
  13. KRAIT

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    ^^ Nice post as ever DOC....
     
  14. sangsharma

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    PAK-FA is coming this decade.
     
  15. indiafriendly

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    Thats a over kill dude..