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Is the power output of the future Pakistani Z-10 engines (WZ-9C or the WZ-10 engines) at 1600 kw each?

With the higher thrust over the original WZ-9 engines, does this helicopter match the performance of the T-129 in terms of operating at high enough altitudes.

Also is it possible, with this higher thrust could the Helicopter be upgraded with the original planned features; especially the twin sensor pods instead of just one, so the helicopter can do hunter killer ops more efficiently, like the Apache?

Perhaps an Apache class helicopter is underdeveloped (with twin sensors and a larger 30 mm gun), especially to counter the Indians and their Apaches at the LAC, and we may see the use of the even higher thrust WZ-16 engines current in use on the AC-352 helicopter.

 
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Is the power output of the future Pakistani Z-10 engines (WZ-9C or the WZ-10 engines) at 1600 kw each?

With the higher thrust over the original WZ-9 engines, does this helicopter match the performance of the T-129 in terms of operating at high enough altitudes.

Also is it possible, with this higher thrust could the Helicopter be upgraded with the original planned features; especially the twin sensor pods instead of just one, so the helicopter can do hunter killer ops more efficiently, like the Apache?

Perhaps an Apache class helicopter is underdeveloped (with twin sensors and a larger 30 mm gun), especially to counter the Indians and their Apaches at the LAC, and we may see the use of the even higher thrust WZ-16 engines current in use on the AC-352 helicopter.

These aren't heavy helis like Apache. With MM radar and PL-9 missiles tho, should be a pretty even match against India's Apaches.
 

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These aren't heavy helis like Apache. With MM radar and PL-9 missiles tho, should be a pretty even match against India's Apaches.
In the plains, the Z-10 will hopefully good enough with the 1000 kw WZ-9C engines, but in higher altitudes, more powerful engines maybe needed to get over mountains instead of having to go around them (via time consuming valley routes) while also carrying a decent amount of payload.

For this goal, a heavier helo is probably underdevelopment in China using the WZ-16 engines recently unveiled on the AC-352 helicopter.
 
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In the plains, the Z-10 should be fine, but in higher altitudes, more powerful engines maybe needed to get over mountains instead of having to go around them (via time consuming valley routes) while also carrying a decent amount of payload. For this goal, a heavier helo is probably underdevelopment in China using the WZ-16 engines recently unveiled on the AC-352 helicopter.
Z-10s got new engines. PLA's operating them in tibet
 

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Perhaps that’s the ones (WZ-10 engines; 1600 kw ?) the PA is getting as well instead of the WZ-9C (1000 kw)

If it is the WZ-10 engine and they do have an engine power of 1600 kw, then would be a match for the Apaches


Does anyone know the name and engine power of the engines of the PA Z-10s?
Should be wz-9h, a 1200kw improved engine.
In addition, according to the exhibition board of the Zhuhai Air Show, the wz-10 should be a 2000kw engine, which is obviously excess power for the z-10 with a maximum takeoff of 6 tons.
The wz-10 is suitable for the z-20 with a maximum take-off of 10 tons.
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Should be wz-9h, a 1200kw improved engine.
In addition, according to the exhibition board of the Zhuhai Air Show, the wz-10 should be a 2000kw engine, which is obviously excess power for the z-10 with a maximum takeoff of 6 tons.
The wz-10 is suitable for the z-20 with a maximum take-off of 10 tons.
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Perhaps a WZ-10 equipped attack helicopter will be developed soon for a follow up order and operations in Tibet/Xinjiang for the PLA and Northern and Western Pakistan for the PA, alongside the Z-20.
 

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I doubt WZ-16 can be used by the military since it's a joint venture with France. I could be wrong.
Perhaps the “WZ-16” may not be, but some derivative, based on the technology or a combination of inputs (such as Russian input from their Mi-28 Havov Helicopters and its engine) could conceivably be developed, which could be used in a heavy attack helicopter. I wouldn’t be surprised if a future Chinese Heavy Attack helicopter gets help from the designers of the Mi-28 as well as Kamov, although the PLA will probably try to leapfrog to a design similar to one of the proposed future US army Attack Helicopter designs; probably the RaiderX design for FARA. This kind of design (with its signature reduction design and twin rotors) would also payoff for a future fast transport helicopter for special forces

Either way, a heavy helicopter, which can fly over the mountains and get to a battle quickly maybe essential in a future conflict in the Himalayas. Also, a heavier helicopter could carry heavier and better sensors (such as a separate EO/IR sensor for each the pilot and gunner to enable hunter killer capabilities), as well as better comms and defenses.

The Apache AH-64D Block III is what is also known as the AH-64E Guardian. This is one of the challenges Chinese troops and military installations may face on the LAC. It’s ability to climb over the mountains with a decent payload could be an essential requirement.

 
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