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Pakistanis know little about a small piece of heaven in our backyard: the Deosai Plains. It’s a national park these days. What even less people know about is the military importance of the area. China was a no go area like North Korea in the 50s and 60s. Before the Sino Soviet split and even after that, the US was desperate to contain China or even bring it in its sphere of influence. Rumour has it that US asked President Ayub of Pakistan for a military base. Deosai Plains would have been a very effective outpost against China back then. Thankfully under a great visionary leader, Field Marshal Ayub Khan, Pakistan declined. It’s an area where a military base can be built in the very difficult terrain of Kashmir.

India has a small air base in Leh. We, on the time of our choosing, can build an airbase which would dent the Indian doctrine on Kashmir badly. It is perfect for spying and a great potential asset with places to build natural bunkers for command and control. In case of a limited war we can cut the Manali Leh highway which originates from the very difficult terrain of Himachal Pradesh. It is one of the most difficult roads in the world. If we decide to block their other highway at Kargil again, in war time we can block it with the help of drone or helicopters. Their only road to Kashmir besides Manali-Leh road is already in the range of our long range artillery at many places. A bunch of well-placed Special Forces units can do wonders there. Even well placed long range artillery might be able to block it. The link is very fragile. That road is already barely functioning for six months under very difficult circumstances and is the only other road to Kashmir other than the highway that passes from Akhnur. The whole plan of Operation Grand Slam in 1965 was to cut off India from Kashmir by capturing it. India ended up pressing the all-out panic button and invaded Pakistan.

India has been working silently building infrastructure that can help in war. Railway in Kashmir is one example. They are planning a railway all the way from Bilaspur (Himachal Pradesh) to Leh. The project is “proposed” at this stage and we can beat them to the task. India’s BRO (Border Roads Organization) has been working on such projects since the Nehru government created it.

In future if we can connect Deosai Plains to Kashgar Railway and purpose-built roads, it can be a great military asset and would out-manoeuvre India in a subtle way. It would give us a much needed military edge in Kashmir. It can even be the decisive factor, all things considered. I hope and pray that our policy makers are working on it. In case of a border skirmish it can give us a defining edge and we can threaten Ladakh from there.

However we do need to protect the eco-system while building roads and railway for military purpose. Tourists who love nature can easily camp there. No need to build hotels or luxury resorts. Our FWO (Frontier Works Organization) is not sleeping either; in the 1960s to go to the valley of Naran, for example، was life threatening. Korean era Jeeps were used (still available). Now you can go by car to Chilas, Hunza and Gilgit from there very easily. We, as our US friends used to say in the 2000s, need to “do more”.

 

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Pakistanis know little about a small piece of heaven in our backyard: the Deosai Plains. It’s a national park these days. What even less people know about is the military importance of the area. China was a no go area like North Korea in the 50s and 60s. Before the Sino Soviet split and even after that, the US was desperate to contain China or even bring it in its sphere of influence. Rumour has it that US asked President Ayub of Pakistan for a military base. Deosai Plains would have been a very effective outpost against China back then. Thankfully under a great visionary leader, Field Marshal Ayub Khan, Pakistan declined. It’s an area where a military base can be built in the very difficult terrain of Kashmir.

India has a small air base in Leh. We, on the time of our choosing, can build an airbase which would dent the Indian doctrine on Kashmir badly. It is perfect for spying and a great potential asset with places to build natural bunkers for command and control. In case of a limited war we can cut the Manali Leh highway which originates from the very difficult terrain of Himachal Pradesh. It is one of the most difficult roads in the world. If we decide to block their other highway at Kargil again, in war time we can block it with the help of drone or helicopters. Their only road to Kashmir besides Manali-Leh road is already in the range of our long range artillery at many places. A bunch of well-placed Special Forces units can do wonders there. Even well placed long range artillery might be able to block it. The link is very fragile. That road is already barely functioning for six months under very difficult circumstances and is the only other road to Kashmir other than the highway that passes from Akhnur. The whole plan of Operation Grand Slam in 1965 was to cut off India from Kashmir by capturing it. India ended up pressing the all-out panic button and invaded Pakistan.

India has been working silently building infrastructure that can help in war. Railway in Kashmir is one example. They are planning a railway all the way from Bilaspur (Himachal Pradesh) to Leh. The project is “proposed” at this stage and we can beat them to the task. India’s BRO (Border Roads Organization) has been working on such projects since the Nehru government created it.

In future if we can connect Deosai Plains to Kashgar Railway and purpose-built roads, it can be a great military asset and would out-manoeuvre India in a subtle way. It would give us a much needed military edge in Kashmir. It can even be the decisive factor, all things considered. I hope and pray that our policy makers are working on it. In case of a border skirmish it can give us a defining edge and we can threaten Ladakh from there.

However we do need to protect the eco-system while building roads and railway for military purpose. Tourists who love nature can easily camp there. No need to build hotels or luxury resorts. Our FWO (Frontier Works Organization) is not sleeping either; in the 1960s to go to the valley of Naran, for example، was life threatening. Korean era Jeeps were used (still available). Now you can go by car to Chilas, Hunza and Gilgit from there very easily. We, as our US friends used to say in the 2000s, need to “do more”.

Thanks - this is a great thread. Honestly I wasn't aware that such an area existed !
 

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Pakistanis know little about a small piece of heaven in our backyard: the Deosai Plains. It’s a national park these days. What even less people know about is the military importance of the area. China was a no go area like North Korea in the 50s and 60s. Before the Sino Soviet split and even after that, the US was desperate to contain China or even bring it in its sphere of influence. Rumour has it that US asked President Ayub of Pakistan for a military base. Deosai Plains would have been a very effective outpost against China back then. Thankfully under a great visionary leader, Field Marshal Ayub Khan, Pakistan declined. It’s an area where a military base can be built in the very difficult terrain of Kashmir.

India has a small air base in Leh. We, on the time of our choosing, can build an airbase which would dent the Indian doctrine on Kashmir badly. It is perfect for spying and a great potential asset with places to build natural bunkers for command and control. In case of a limited war we can cut the Manali Leh highway which originates from the very difficult terrain of Himachal Pradesh. It is one of the most difficult roads in the world. If we decide to block their other highway at Kargil again, in war time we can block it with the help of drone or helicopters. Their only road to Kashmir besides Manali-Leh road is already in the range of our long range artillery at many places. A bunch of well-placed Special Forces units can do wonders there. Even well placed long range artillery might be able to block it. The link is very fragile. That road is already barely functioning for six months under very difficult circumstances and is the only other road to Kashmir other than the highway that passes from Akhnur. The whole plan of Operation Grand Slam in 1965 was to cut off India from Kashmir by capturing it. India ended up pressing the all-out panic button and invaded Pakistan.

India has been working silently building infrastructure that can help in war. Railway in Kashmir is one example. They are planning a railway all the way from Bilaspur (Himachal Pradesh) to Leh. The project is “proposed” at this stage and we can beat them to the task. India’s BRO (Border Roads Organization) has been working on such projects since the Nehru government created it.

In future if we can connect Deosai Plains to Kashgar Railway and purpose-built roads, it can be a great military asset and would out-manoeuvre India in a subtle way. It would give us a much needed military edge in Kashmir. It can even be the decisive factor, all things considered. I hope and pray that our policy makers are working on it. In case of a border skirmish it can give us a defining edge and we can threaten Ladakh from there.

However we do need to protect the eco-system while building roads and railway for military purpose. Tourists who love nature can easily camp there. No need to build hotels or luxury resorts. Our FWO (Frontier Works Organization) is not sleeping either; in the 1960s to go to the valley of Naran, for example، was life threatening. Korean era Jeeps were used (still available). Now you can go by car to Chilas, Hunza and Gilgit from there very easily. We, as our US friends used to say in the 2000s, need to “do more”.

IMO, doesn't make any sense at all. The Skardu FOB is a 2hr drive away from Deosai. Why would we need another airbase in a region which will see limited air activity in the first place? Anything built on Deosai will also easily be in range of Indian SOWs. Furthermore, Pakistani aircraft do not need a base in Deosai to target the proposed highways/targets. The building of railways and highways to the place is equally nonsensical.

As our Prime Minsiter says, Pakistan's tourism potential is beyond imaginations.

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Then plants a useless man as chairman of the laughable "National Tourism Coordination Board". A man who does not know jack squat about the industry and only tries to flood it with illiterate domestic tourists destroying the fragile ecosystems.
 
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IMO, doesn't make any sense at all. The Skardu FOB is a 2hr drive away from Deosai. Why would we need another airbase in a region which will see limited air activity in the first place? Anything built on Deosai will also easily be in range of Indian SOWs. Furthermore, Pakistani aircraft do not need a base in Deosai to target the proposed highways/targets. The building of railways and highways to the place is equally nonsensical.
Agreed, the proximity to the LOC precludes any significant infra development. However, still worth a thread on Deosai, as it's scarcely brought up and also a part of the one of the more quiet locations near the LOC.
 

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Deosai can be used for more wildlife conservation. The good news about brown bear is that its population has gone up from 30 to 85 in last 10 years.
 

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Agreed, the proximity to the LOC precludes any significant infra development. However, still worth a thread on Deosai, as it's scarcely brought up and also a part of the one of the more quiet locations near the LOC.
TBH, I'd rather the Pakistani people completely forgot that it exists. I've seen what these people do up there.

No one lives in Deosai so there isn't any need to promote "tourism to help the locals". I hope the gov will someday grow enough spine to ban the shepherds and their flocks from the plains as well.
 

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Pakistanis know little about a small piece of heaven in our backyard: the Deosai Plains. It’s a national park these days. What even less people know about is the military importance of the area. China was a no go area like North Korea in the 50s and 60s. Before the Sino Soviet split and even after that, the US was desperate to contain China or even bring it in its sphere of influence. Rumour has it that US asked President Ayub of Pakistan for a military base. Deosai Plains would have been a very effective outpost against China back then. Thankfully under a great visionary leader, Field Marshal Ayub Khan, Pakistan declined. It’s an area where a military base can be built in the very difficult terrain of Kashmir.

India has a small air base in Leh. We, on the time of our choosing, can build an airbase which would dent the Indian doctrine on Kashmir badly. It is perfect for spying and a great potential asset with places to build natural bunkers for command and control. In case of a limited war we can cut the Manali Leh highway which originates from the very difficult terrain of Himachal Pradesh. It is one of the most difficult roads in the world. If we decide to block their other highway at Kargil again, in war time we can block it with the help of drone or helicopters. Their only road to Kashmir besides Manali-Leh road is already in the range of our long range artillery at many places. A bunch of well-placed Special Forces units can do wonders there. Even well placed long range artillery might be able to block it. The link is very fragile. That road is already barely functioning for six months under very difficult circumstances and is the only other road to Kashmir other than the highway that passes from Akhnur. The whole plan of Operation Grand Slam in 1965 was to cut off India from Kashmir by capturing it. India ended up pressing the all-out panic button and invaded Pakistan.

India has been working silently building infrastructure that can help in war. Railway in Kashmir is one example. They are planning a railway all the way from Bilaspur (Himachal Pradesh) to Leh. The project is “proposed” at this stage and we can beat them to the task. India’s BRO (Border Roads Organization) has been working on such projects since the Nehru government created it.

In future if we can connect Deosai Plains to Kashgar Railway and purpose-built roads, it can be a great military asset and would out-manoeuvre India in a subtle way. It would give us a much needed military edge in Kashmir. It can even be the decisive factor, all things considered. I hope and pray that our policy makers are working on it. In case of a border skirmish it can give us a defining edge and we can threaten Ladakh from there.

However we do need to protect the eco-system while building roads and railway for military purpose. Tourists who love nature can easily camp there. No need to build hotels or luxury resorts. Our FWO (Frontier Works Organization) is not sleeping either; in the 1960s to go to the valley of Naran, for example، was life threatening. Korean era Jeeps were used (still available). Now you can go by car to Chilas, Hunza and Gilgit from there very easily. We, as our US friends used to say in the 2000s, need to “do more”.

Been there. Its magnificent and soldiers should stay out unless for the defence of our nation.

The mosquito are the size of hornets and so many that at times you can't see 10 ft.
Wanted to see bears. Rainy day and spent best part of the day looking for them. But the bears are not stupid like us humans...the went to sleep looool and left us in the rain loool
 

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TBH, I'd rather the Pakistani people completely forgot that it exists. I've seen what these people do up there.

No one lives in Deosai so there isn't any need to promote "tourism to help the locals". I hope the gov will someday grow enough spine to ban the shepherds and their flocks from the plains as well.
Agreed here too. Was hoping that posters would discuss the military aspects of it, hence the aub-forum I've posted it in but alas...
 

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These Americans are always involved one way or the other. Always shopping for military bases. Thank God we declined. Imagine Americans roaming around in this piece of heaven.
 

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These Americans are always involved one way or the other. Always shopping for military bases. Thank God we declined. Imagine Americans roaming around in this piece of heaven.
I'd take that claim with a healthy serving of salt. If the Americans were happy using Peshawar's base to spy on the Soviets, they surely did not need another one for the Chinese. Why would they build an entire new base in Deosai for that purpose alone?
 

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