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The amount of time and effort spent by Pakistani PM in exculpating Pakistan from the Afghan fallout suggests that Pakistan's diplomats posted in US and UK have sensed cold shoulder from the local administration. Surely, Imran Khan has more information to justify his actions than average people on message boards. No offense :-)
 

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The amount of time and effort spent by Pakistani PM in exculpating Pakistan from the Afghan fallout suggests that Pakistan's diplomats posted in US and UK have sensed cold shoulder from the local administration. Surely, Imran Khan has more information to justify his actions than average people on message boards. No offense :-)
We all know, drought conditions, shortage of food. This all-cause massive smuggling from Pakistan and increase the wheat, rice etc prices in Pakistani market. Our Inda-Pakistan vegetable and, chemical etc import is totally halted.
 

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maybe some of you should look at our own certain laws we passed in our Islamic fortress Pakistan recently

then start commenting on the Taliban grooming habits and wisdom
 

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For example, the reason Pakistan did not get public credit for its evacuation help was that it did not want to be portrayed as being influential with the Taliban
I agree with you. The policy of trying to create distance between Taliban and Islamabad was stupid and it failed. If as I think, it was intended to break the idea that Pakistan was linked with Taliban it failed badly. The whole world continues to blame Pakistan irrespective of the facts or details.

On the other hand by giving Doha as the mediator all the good that came out was nicely harvested by Qatar which came out looking rosy and whatever kudos was left got lapped up by UAE. Any credits for evacuation were claimed by Qatar/UAE. Whatever Pakistan did ended up in small print as a sidenote.
 

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On another note members who are critical of Afghans and Pakistan's involement in the Afghan Jihad must never forget one blunt fact.

There is not a jot in hell chance that America would have allowed Pakistan go down the nuclear path. Pakistan would have been crushed like a bug much similar to how Iraq's nuke ambitions went up in flames in 1981 Osirak attack.

The only and I can't stress this enough, only reason Pakistan got away with the nukes, even if just about was the Afghan Jihad. Given choice between giving Soviet Union a beating or castrating Pakistan's nuke programme United States decided to ignore the nukes and continue with the Afghan Jihad.

So when people complain about Afghans keep this in mind. Thanks to the million dead Afghans Pakistan has nukes today.
 

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On another note members who are critical of Afghans and Pakistan's involement in the Afghan Jihad must never forget one blunt fact.

There is not a jot in hell chance that America would have allowed Pakistan go down the nuclear path. Pakistan would have been crushed like a bug much similar to how Iraq's nuke ambitions went up in flames in 1981 Osirak attack.

The only and I can't stress this enough, only reason Pakistan got away with the nukes, even if just about was the Afghan Jihad. Given choice between giving Soviet Union a beating or castrating Pakistan's nuke programme United States decided to ignore the nukes and continue with the Afghan Jihad.

So when people complain about Afghans keep this in mind. Thanks to the million dead Afghans Pakistan has nukes today.
Thank you Afghan bros...
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I consider all of them traitors. Musharraf, Zardari family, Nawaz family, Bajwa, Imran, Malala. All of them agents of foreign masters, waiting to sell Pakistan at every opportunity they can get. This is based on the actions they have taken over the years.
shehr'e jaana mein ab basafa kaun hai?

They represent you collectively as the Pakistani people - regardless of whatever you protest as not true Pakistan. Everything including these corrupt leaders or Malala or the pedophiles of kasur came from Pakistan. They came from the same soil and reflect who Pakistanis are.
You have nothing other than words for them and tolerate them, or in your case like myself aren’t really a part of that society anymore despite whatever concerns to provide.
Zardari ruled over Pakistan and no mass revolt took place regardless of open corruption. Meaning Pakistanis were by a large majority ok with it as part of society. So your support or non-support or mine objecting to them is irrelevant .
One could blame the poor on keeping them in power but that would be a lie. The educated ones support Nawaz and Zardari too. Musharraf held rallies with the richest elite and even PTI was put in place by a hopeful middle class that now gave up once it turned to the usual centers of power.
Reap what you sow.

Who is correcting Imran Khan? Or the COAS? Is everyone a proverbial eunuch in Pakistani circles of power? Does that mean all Pakistanis are eunuchs too other than online rants because they are ok with eunuchs in power?


So now, which educated Pakistani has ever really organized a movement to discuss Afghanistan policies with even their local MNA? None, those people speak to their voting base in the poor majority areas who only care for a plate of biryani and like these MNA’s cant tell Panjshir from Parachinar.

Even if they did speak to this MNA, what would he/she even do in the first place?

Even passengers on a cruise liner have more power than the passengers on the ISS Pakistanic.

Majority in Pakistan barring election days are apathetic to what their elected or selected officials do. Other than those very few having connections to others in power and used to threatening “Mein dekh lun ga tujhe” there is no semblance of accountability happening from a citizens perspective.

To top it off, every other Pakistani thinks they are next to Huzoor S.A.W in terms of god’s mercy in earth and prepared to provide “expert” opinion and when questioned go straight to personal attacks because they don’t have anything of actual substance to give. At best an educated banker will start googling after saying he is an expert in cryptocurrency and providing gibberish as an answer when asked about the impact of legalizing it as an alternative to currency in South Asia.

What if it turns out Imran Khan is being asked to do this by Moeed Yusuf? Would that be acceptable then or will he be declared out of the circle of Islam as well because that conflicts with “expert” opinions. Or can we question him based on another informed individual contradicting his approach? What is the criteria of an informed individual for Pakistanis? A PHd in biochemistry but no relevant experience or education in geopolitics, or their Pakistan Studies coursebook from some point in education or the local Maulvi paraphrasing end of time predictions?

It took a friend of mine three days and help from our PDF admin on Facebook through other sources to create a massive movement 7 years ago. When ghastly rapes can get people riled up and massive corruption, nepotism and geopolitical issues cannot, it means people are not educated enough on them or most of them don’t care.

Which of the factors does everyone think really is the cause for where Pakistan stands today?
 

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shehr'e jaana mein ab basafa kaun hai?

They represent you collectively as the Pakistani people - regardless of whatever you protest as not true Pakistan. Everything including these corrupt leaders or Malala or the pedophiles of kasur came from Pakistan. They came from the same soil and reflect who Pakistanis are.
You have nothing other than words for them and tolerate them, or in your case like myself aren’t really a part of that society anymore despite whatever concerns to provide.
Zardari ruled over Pakistan and no mass revolt took place regardless of open corruption. Meaning Pakistanis were by a large majority ok with it as part of society. So your support or non-support or mine objecting to them is irrelevant .
One could blame the poor on keeping them in power but that would be a lie. The educated ones support Nawaz and Zardari too. Musharraf held rallies with the richest elite and even PTI was put in place by a hopeful middle class that now gave up once it turned to the usual centers of power.
Reap what you sow.

Who is correcting Imran Khan? Or the COAS? Is everyone a proverbial eunuch in Pakistani circles of power? Does that mean all Pakistanis are eunuchs too other than online rants because they are ok with eunuchs in power?


So now, which educated Pakistani has ever really organized a movement to discuss Afghanistan policies with even their local MNA? None, those people speak to their voting base in the poor majority areas who only care for a plate of biryani and like these MNA’s cant tell Panjshir from Parachinar.

Even if they did speak to this MNA, what would he/she even do in the first place?

Even passengers on a cruise liner have more power than the passengers on the ISS Pakistanic.

Majority in Pakistan barring election days are apathetic to what their elected or selected officials do. Other than those very few having connections to others in power and used to threatening “Mein dekh lun ga tujhe” there is no semblance of accountability happening from a citizens perspective.

To top it off, every other Pakistani thinks they are next to Huzoor S.A.W in terms of god’s mercy in earth and prepared to provide “expert” opinion and when questioned go straight to personal attacks because they don’t have anything of actual substance to give. At best an educated banker will start googling after saying he is an expert in cryptocurrency and providing gibberish as an answer when asked about the impact of legalizing it as an alternative to currency in South Asia.

What if it turns out Imran Khan is being asked to do this by Moeed Yusuf? Would that be acceptable then or will he be declared out of the circle of Islam as well because that conflicts with “expert” opinions. Or can we question him based on another informed individual contradicting his approach? What is the criteria of an informed individual for Pakistanis? A PHd in biochemistry but no relevant experience or education in geopolitics, or their Pakistan Studies coursebook from some point in education or the local Maulvi paraphrasing end of time predictions?

It took a friend of mine three days and help from our PDF admin on Facebook through other sources to create a massive movement 7 years ago. When ghastly rapes can get people riled up and massive corruption, nepotism and geopolitical issues cannot, it means people are not educated enough on them or most of them don’t care.

Which of the factors does everyone think really is the cause for where Pakistan stands today?
You say all that as if it were a bad thing. :D

Seriously though, Pakistan has a system that works great - for those who have made it so. Therefore, where Pakistan stands today is by intentional design and active implementation.
 

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You say all that as if it were a bad thing. :D

Seriously though, Pakistan has a system that works great - for those who have made it so. Therefore, where Pakistan stands today is by intentional design and active implementation.
It very much does - but the unidirectional hot air blown about only damaged those enslaved to this system without recognizing it. They want to change things but without knowing what to change or wanting to make an effort to.

Did your generation or the generation right before you object to 5 million Afghani refugees overwhelming the society?
 

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shehr'e jaana mein ab basafa kaun hai?

They represent you collectively as the Pakistani people - regardless of whatever you protest as not true Pakistan. Everything including these corrupt leaders or Malala or the pedophiles of kasur came from Pakistan. They came from the same soil and reflect who Pakistanis are.
You have nothing other than words for them and tolerate them, or in your case like myself aren’t really a part of that society anymore despite whatever concerns to provide.
Zardari ruled over Pakistan and no mass revolt took place regardless of open corruption. Meaning Pakistanis were by a large majority ok with it as part of society. So your support or non-support or mine objecting to them is irrelevant .
One could blame the poor on keeping them in power but that would be a lie. The educated ones support Nawaz and Zardari too. Musharraf held rallies with the richest elite and even PTI was put in place by a hopeful middle class that now gave up once it turned to the usual centers of power.
Reap what you sow.

Who is correcting Imran Khan? Or the COAS? Is everyone a proverbial eunuch in Pakistani circles of power? Does that mean all Pakistanis are eunuchs too other than online rants because they are ok with eunuchs in power?


So now, which educated Pakistani has ever really organized a movement to discuss Afghanistan policies with even their local MNA? None, those people speak to their voting base in the poor majority areas who only care for a plate of biryani and like these MNA’s cant tell Panjshir from Parachinar.

Even if they did speak to this MNA, what would he/she even do in the first place?

Even passengers on a cruise liner have more power than the passengers on the ISS Pakistanic.

Majority in Pakistan barring election days are apathetic to what their elected or selected officials do. Other than those very few having connections to others in power and used to threatening “Mein dekh lun ga tujhe” there is no semblance of accountability happening from a citizens perspective.

To top it off, every other Pakistani thinks they are next to Huzoor S.A.W in terms of god’s mercy in earth and prepared to provide “expert” opinion and when questioned go straight to personal attacks because they don’t have anything of actual substance to give. At best an educated banker will start googling after saying he is an expert in cryptocurrency and providing gibberish as an answer when asked about the impact of legalizing it as an alternative to currency in South Asia.

What if it turns out Imran Khan is being asked to do this by Moeed Yusuf? Would that be acceptable then or will he be declared out of the circle of Islam as well because that conflicts with “expert” opinions. Or can we question him based on another informed individual contradicting his approach? What is the criteria of an informed individual for Pakistanis? A PHd in biochemistry but no relevant experience or education in geopolitics, or their Pakistan Studies coursebook from some point in education or the local Maulvi paraphrasing end of time predictions?

It took a friend of mine three days and help from our PDF admin on Facebook through other sources to create a massive movement 7 years ago. When ghastly rapes can get people riled up and massive corruption, nepotism and geopolitical issues cannot, it means people are not educated enough on them or most of them don’t care.

Which of the factors does everyone think really is the cause for where Pakistan stands today?
Pakistan at its essence is a very disunited country with people having competing and differing interests and priorities. Couple that with poverty and illiteracy and you have present Pakistan.
 

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It very much does - but the unidirectional hot air blown about only damaged those enslaved to this system without recognizing it. They want to change things but without knowing what to change or wanting to make an effort to.

Did your generation or the generation right before you object to 5 million Afghani refugees overwhelming the society
Defusing the desire to change things is an integral part of the management plan for the design to endure, by directing it towards the trivial in the desired direction, and this has been honed to a fine art by now in Pakistan. Back when the first wave of Afghan refugees arrived, along with the Kalashnikovs and the heroin, the old favorite kludge of religion was used to divert the desire to change the way things were being handled by Ala Hazrat Mard-e-Momin General Zia ul Haq Rehmat Ullah Eleh by declaring them humaray mazloom muslim bhai uprooted by the godless communists invading their homeland, and to drum up support for what ensued. See how that works? Remember the circus here on PDF and on the streets just to get the present setup in place? Sound familiar? What good did my resistance achieve other than derision?

That is also why Pakistan will remain on its path of intentionally conflating religion and state, for it is too powerful a tool to let go lest the system fall apart.
 
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shehr'e jaana mein ab basafa kaun hai?

They represent you collectively as the Pakistani people - regardless of whatever you protest as not true Pakistan. Everything including these corrupt leaders or Malala or the pedophiles of kasur came from Pakistan. They came from the same soil and reflect who Pakistanis are.
You have nothing other than words for them and tolerate them, or in your case like myself aren’t really a part of that society anymore despite whatever concerns to provide.
Zardari ruled over Pakistan and no mass revolt took place regardless of open corruption. Meaning Pakistanis were by a large majority ok with it as part of society. So your support or non-support or mine objecting to them is irrelevant .
One could blame the poor on keeping them in power but that would be a lie. The educated ones support Nawaz and Zardari too. Musharraf held rallies with the richest elite and even PTI was put in place by a hopeful middle class that now gave up once it turned to the usual centers of power.
Reap what you sow.

Who is correcting Imran Khan? Or the COAS? Is everyone a proverbial eunuch in Pakistani circles of power? Does that mean all Pakistanis are eunuchs too other than online rants because they are ok with eunuchs in power?


So now, which educated Pakistani has ever really organized a movement to discuss Afghanistan policies with even their local MNA? None, those people speak to their voting base in the poor majority areas who only care for a plate of biryani and like these MNA’s cant tell Panjshir from Parachinar.

Even if they did speak to this MNA, what would he/she even do in the first place?

Even passengers on a cruise liner have more power than the passengers on the ISS Pakistanic.

Majority in Pakistan barring election days are apathetic to what their elected or selected officials do. Other than those very few having connections to others in power and used to threatening “Mein dekh lun ga tujhe” there is no semblance of accountability happening from a citizens perspective.

To top it off, every other Pakistani thinks they are next to Huzoor S.A.W in terms of god’s mercy in earth and prepared to provide “expert” opinion and when questioned go straight to personal attacks because they don’t have anything of actual substance to give. At best an educated banker will start googling after saying he is an expert in cryptocurrency and providing gibberish as an answer when asked about the impact of legalizing it as an alternative to currency in South Asia.

What if it turns out Imran Khan is being asked to do this by Moeed Yusuf? Would that be acceptable then or will he be declared out of the circle of Islam as well because that conflicts with “expert” opinions. Or can we question him based on another informed individual contradicting his approach? What is the criteria of an informed individual for Pakistanis? A PHd in biochemistry but no relevant experience or education in geopolitics, or their Pakistan Studies coursebook from some point in education or the local Maulvi paraphrasing end of time predictions?

It took a friend of mine three days and help from our PDF admin on Facebook through other sources to create a massive movement 7 years ago. When ghastly rapes can get people riled up and massive corruption, nepotism and geopolitical issues cannot, it means people are not educated enough on them or most of them don’t care.

Which of the factors does everyone think really is the cause for where Pakistan stands today?
But unlike most, I have a solution. Kick Imran Khan in the butt, and make Asad Omar the Prime Minister. Disclaimer: I don't know Asam Omar, never met him. Only seen and heard him on media. So maybe his is also a puppet of foreign masters. But I get good vibes about him. I think, he has all the necessary capabilities of becoming PM.

And by the way, if every Tom, Dick and Harry can get your Prime Minister to do what they want, then your PM is a Maha Chutiya. Truly, Imran Khan is a case of Maha Chutiya leading a bunch of Chutiyas. You simply cannot defend his incompetence and his treason.
 

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he’s speaking up for his fellow Pashtuns trying get them some good.
negative. He is speaking up for fellow Muslims...mind you, ghani et al were also pashtuns but Imran Khan didn't give two turd pellets from modi's bunghole about 'em due to their lack of Muslim identity, yanay kay bas dikhavay kay musalmaan.
 

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Do you ever get angry at Taliban for taking Bin Laden money and dealing with Al Qaeda? Their decision has really f**ked over Pakistan for 20 years now.

That Taliban on the border shouting at the Pakistani border troops should have a JDAM dropped on his head. Its their mess and they are at fault.

Your retarded brother is not good company to keep.
 

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