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It makes no sense economic wise.
Singapore and Malaysia haven’t much people. The demand would be minimal.
It’s better to wait on Vietnam Hsr. We have 100 million people. Different scenario.
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Vietnam plan on low speed railway for 30 years, not finalized yet.

Vietnam principal route is the 1,600 km (990 mi) single-track North–South Railway line, running between Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City. This was built at the metre gauge in the 1880s during the French colonial rule.
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The initial investment in a hsr line is very difficult to recoup.
And the power consumption at high speeds makes even operational profits difficult, unless the load is good and the fares are on the higher side. Parallely non transport revenue in the form of shopping complexes , advertisement, etc form a large part of the revenue stream.

In China only the Beijing Shanghai route is profitable out of hundreds of routes. The operation has to be subsidized to be run.
 

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Many Indonesian young leaders get good education and have good command of English. At least our new potential generation leaders are master degree holder at minimum and one of them like Jakarta governor is a Phd holder. You can look some of them in latest page of Indonesia economic thread being interviewed/having discussion in English.

While Soekarno, first leader is bachelor degree, Soeharto is soldier, Habibie is Phd, Gusdur is bachelor degree, Megawati just study in university (drop out)-our worst President, SBY is soldier (US educated military academy), Jokowi is bachelor degree. Actually all the leaders here can speak English well, including Soekarno.
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My understanding is, Indonesia politicians are more and more like western politicians, which need good appearance, good public speech skills, energetic, as charming as possible.

The governance skills and background is less relative, it's more about elections campaign, fund-raising.

Ridwan Kamil has architecture design degree, and suddenly become Mayor of Bandung, 5 years later become Governor of West Java.

Surprising to me. In China, it's not possible.
 

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It makes no sense economic wise.
Singapore and Malaysia haven’t much people. The demand would be minimal.
It’s better to wait on Vietnam Hsr. We have 100 million people. Different scenario.
50 cc bikes seems a better deal for Vietnam.
@Kai Liu Please help me with the picture of the 50 cc bikes. :lol:
 

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Looks like the Malaysian side wanted to disband the the joint venture company. Without it Singapore cannot trust a project manage from Malaysia side only. Siphoning money from project is a norm in Malaysia.
 

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Ethnic Malay elites has welfare and privilege granted by the government, while ethnic Chinese do the economy and bring development opportunities. If ethnic Chinese joined the Singapore in 1965, they have had at least 5 times better income.

No wonder ethnic Malay is less competent, and one of the most corrupted government in recent decades.

Have you been to Malaysia? Always hear negative stereotypes of ethnic Malaysians. I went for 2 weeks last year, seemed no different to other groups. Many women were working in retail, hospitality and food sector. Place was clean. Ethnic Chinese have had advantages due to cultural links with China. For thousands of years they dominated import and export business. Since independence pro Malaysian policies were needed to help the more rural ethnic Malaysian population because the ethnic Chinese were not about to share with other groups. I am sure Vietnam did much worse to its chinese minority's.


People like to mock other ethnic groups because it makes them feel superior.
The previous Najib administration and Singapore signed into contract, to have a neutral "Asset company", serving as a firewall against corruption (Malays always give bloated price, kickbacks to their contractors). Current PM Muhyiddin wants to remove the "asset company".

Singapore cannot agree.

(Note: Without "asset company", 1000% sure Malay will corrupt and charge 1000% to Singapore)

Najib the dude involved in multi billion corruption scandal? Assets seized from across the world. You trying to say he is clean? How many purses did his wife have?
 

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Have you been to Malaysia? Always hear negative stereotypes of ethnic Malaysians. I went for 2 weeks last year, seemed no different to other groups. Many women were working in retail, hospitality and food sector. Place was clean. Ethnic Chinese have had advantages due to cultural links with China. For thousands of years they dominated import and export business. Since independence pro Malaysian policies were needed to help the more rural ethnic Malaysian population because the ethnic Chinese were not about to share with other groups. I am sure Vietnam did much worse to its chinese minority's.


People like to mock other ethnic groups because it makes them feel superior.
Vietnam did much worse. Malay discriminate ethnic Chinese in their constitution officially. I won't complain if this is only about welfare and subsidies to ethnic Malay. This is official discrimination politically.
Can you tolerate you are discriminated as second class citizens in your own country Pakistan or UK?

I did NOT mock ethnic Malay, I am just saying the fact.

Actually Malay long respected Prime Minister Mahathir openly expressed the same concerns as mine. He said the same thing, ethnic Malay is too lazy and less motivated, even though Malay has subsidized ethic Malay for decades, the gap is growing bigger and bigger. That's the words out of his mouth.

Malay as a country won respects in 1980s -1990s, during Mahathir administration. I wouldn't "mock" their corruption issues and incompetence back then.

But Malay is free fall after Mahathir stepped down. The corruption is out of control in Malay, search "najib 1mdb mongolian model"
 
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Najib the dude involved in multi billion corruption scandal? Assets seized from across the world. You trying to say he is clean? How many purses did his wife have?
On hindsight, Malaysian politicians cannot be trusted, including Mahathir and Muhyiddin. Najib got thrown out because the old interest group not receiving benefits.
 

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Ethnic Malay elites has welfare and privilege granted by the government, while ethnic Chinese do the economy and bring development opportunities. If ethnic Chinese joined the Singapore in 1965, they have had at least 5 times better income.

No wonder ethnic Malay is less competent, and one of the most corrupted government in recent decades.

This is a great myth. The ethnic malays were always wealthy people since even before Islam and during Islams golden age and in the modern era and they had one of the wealthiest sultanates due to geo-location they were always crafty traders. They were always wealthy people and the chinese came to benefit from the platform offered to them by the wealthy malays and their superior systems that were more tolerant and peaceful environment compared to the one they came from. Malays didn't need them for prosperity or anything in that matter. Malaysia is more developed then China. Malaysia is 1st world and China is 2nd world
 
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Vietnam did much worse. Malay discriminate ethnic Chinese in their constitution officially. I won't complain if this is only about welfare and subsidy to ethnic Malay. This is official discrimination politically.
Can you tolerate you are discriminated as second class citizens in your own country Pakistan or UK?

Affirmative action. The reality is its more dangerous to allow minority to control majority. Plenty of countries like Rwanda, Syria etc, where anger led to massacres. Are ethnic chinese in Malaysia left penny less? Soo policy might not be fair, but better then bloody revolts. Hopefully policy will be rolled back in future. UK is interesting. Still alot of covert discrimination, not just by white employers, but Indians the got into good positions will deny other minorities a fair shot.

Just image a non Chinese group dominating chinese society. Chinese have a history of that right? What were the peoples responses?!
On hindsight, Malaysian politicians cannot be trusted, including Mahathir and Muhyiddin. Najib got thrown out because the old interest group not receiving benefits.

Corruption is widespread across the world. Love of money is universal.
 

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This is a great myth. The ethnic malays were always wealthy people since even before Islam and during Islams golden age and in the modern era and they had one of the wealthiest sultanates due to geo-location they were always crafty traders. They were always wealthy people and the chinese came to benefit from the platform offered to them by the wealthy malays and their superior systems that were more tolerant and peaceful environment compared to the one they came from. Malays didn't need them for prosperity or anything in that matter. Malaysia is more developed then China. Malaysia is 1st world and China is 2nd world
The initial Chinese arrived in Malay peninsula back in thousands years ago, even earlier than ethnic Malay.
Ethnic Malay actually are same as Chinese, are immigrations to Malay peninsula.

The indigenous Malay are Orang Asli
Affirmative action. The reality is its more dangerous to allow minority to control majority. Plenty of countries like Rwanda, Syria etc, where anger led to massacres. Are ethnic chinese in Malaysia left penny less? Soo policy might not be fair, but better then bloody revolts. Hopefully policy will be rolled back in future. UK is interesting. Still alot of covert discrimination, not just by white employers, but Indians the got into good positions will deny other minorities a fair shot.

Just image a non Chinese group dominating chinese society. Chinese have a history of that right? What were the peoples responses?!


Corruption is widespread across the world. Love of money is universal.
What kind of affirmative actions discriminate minority and favor majority? If this is called affirmative, then US should discriminate BLACK even more.

What kind of affirmative actions ban Chinese education and culture officially? Can Pakistan and UK do that?

What kind of affirmative actions ban Chinese in civil service and military?

If this is called affirmative actions , then Hindutva is doing affirmative actions.
 

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Malaysia now wanted to build HSR to Johor, in exclusion of Singapore.

Meanwhile almost everyone say this idea wont work, because HSR is suppose to interlink 2 big cities such as KL Singapore.

They are going back to China and ask China to fund them.

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Former transport minister Anthony Loke Siew Fook decried the government’s suggestion of a “domestic high-speed rail” project as “nonsensical”, saying it should not be entertained.

 

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Malaysia now wanted to build HSR to Johor, in exclusion of Singapore.

Meanwhile almost everyone say this idea wont work, because HSR is suppose to interlink 2 big cities such as KL Singapore.

They are going back to China and ask China to fund them.

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Former transport minister Anthony Loke Siew Fook decried the government’s suggestion of a “domestic high-speed rail” project as “nonsensical”, saying it should not be entertained.

China is the only possible partner if Malay want HSR within budget and timeline.
 

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