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Simple but logical Question about Pakistan Forces (Air, Land and Sea)

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  1. superbikez

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    I want to know an important thing. (I have read almost all topics on this forum and have been reading from the last 2 years.) My question is logical but very simple.


    I have seen the Indian Airforce, Navy and Ground military forces continuously purchase lots of new weapons, jets and hardware. They are not only purchasing new hardware/weapons/jets but purchasing it very frequently Delivery/handing over of these items is mostly done on time. Now my point is that what does Pakistan do about it?


    Except for dreams of JF 17 (Chinese hardware), that we will obtain as soon as they are manufactured, there are still no signs of availability of new aircrafts. We are boasting of the radar missile system engine that the JF 17 would carry but there is nothing more. How can these jets, who have not even had a chance of flight, be compared to others? Whenever there is a talk about India’s state of the art aircrafts, Pakistanis start chattering about man behind the machine.

    Where are our new F-16s? Why is Pakistan not opting for Rafale and other powerful jets? Rafale may be expensive but what about the F-16s? If we do a comparison on how many F-16s we have had or have it would be something like as follows:

    We acquired only 46 over a period of 24-25 years. We have only a few latest high-tech F-16s currently (still without BVR and MLU on paper). Compared to the 60-80 Su30 MKi, Mirage 2000 and Mig 29 that India has, our numbers are nothing.

    I read that India purchased more Su30 Mirage and also has an offer from the US to buy F-18s. Compared to this we have nothing. When we start getting beaten up, we start emphasizing on the importance of man behind the machine.

    India keeps buying more and more weapons of all kinds and we are still daydreaming about newer more powerful weapons. I am not blaming PAF. But I just want to ask that the JF 17s and JF 10s that we have in our arsenal have not even been tested. They have not been given a proper run to see how they fly and behave in the air under various circumstances. Then how can we blow our own trumpet that those machines are superb?

    Different kinds of weapons, aircrafts and war gadgetry is being purchased by India and things are delivered on time as well. On the other hand, PAF has old F-16 and Mirage. In the last 10 to 15 years Pakistan has acquired nothing and has only broadcasted news of the ‘wish list’. Till now we couldn’t get our hands on IL 78. We have 1 AWACS but India is progressing far more in this regard than us. Why are we not purchasing new hardware (other than Chinese)?

    Where is our 40 refb Cobra gunships etc

    80 % budgt of Pakistan (for these forces) and result "OLD WEAPONS". Our economy is not that weak that would prevent us from buying new items for our arsenal. . And this being the case, why are we quiet and not acquiring stuff to keep our forces up to date?

    WE HAVE EVERYTHING OLD! *Scream*
     
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    A lot of projects are in pipeline and shall start materializing from April 2009. Just wait for 4 months and than we shall start seeing the changes hopefully.
     
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    Sir jee i heared all these upcoming projects statements from last 15 years but havnt seen anything xpect at last we go for Chinezz. where is NEW F16s (PRIDE OF PAF) where is new Mirage ?? where is new Cobra gunships. About JF17 and J10 maybe maybe these toys are much better thn others but (NO TEST NO WAR RESULT Not even single test result against any Aircraft). Ok let seee and waiting for April 09.

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    same propaganda seen on indian channels , after 26 nov
     
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    Which propaganda ??? stick to the tOpic...!
     
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    Sorry this is a bit off topic. but just curious, do you get indian channels there??? like times now, ndtv, cnn ibn and other entertainment channels????
     
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    "STICK TO THE TOPIC PLEASE"

    @afriend

    No Only few entertainment channels here (Inshallah ban soon).
     
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    Superbikez , The One you posted
     
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    IAF purchase Phalcon AWACS 2 more delivery also onway...

    purchase Su30 looking for F18 damn

    WHAT PAF DOO ????? xpect dreaming and Chineez hardware damn it! seriously WAT PAF DO from last 20 years ?? 40-50 F16s old mirage and F7Pgs thats it What a Super Air fleet of PAF .....

    Where is New F16s and New mirage where is new CobraGunships (military aviation) where is New world wellknOwn jets like RAfale typhoon F18 Griphn etc

    After 20 years we have old jets and pure american JUNK thats it! outof dreaming and PAF AND PAKSITAN GOVT should IMPLEMENT sumthing!
     
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    Super bikez....don't worry bro alot of things are in the pipeline!! see by the mid of 2009 PAF will inshallah have a squadron of JF-17s and one AEW...besides we will have AIM120-C5 BVRs and also the new SD-10s....so don't worry things will start getting really soon...i know the wait of 6 months seems long but inshallah all good things come to those who wait!!! long live pakistan long live PAF!!
     
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    The things you are calling junk are actually protecting your arse for last 20 years…While you sleep tight in your comfy abode, this junk is making sure that you wake up happy…..

    Your thread header states ‘Logical question…..’, but unfortunately I don’t find any logic reflected in your posts that followed…..Mate, buying, inducting and operating a weapon system is not as simple as creating a Wallpaper in few hours that you are expert of……You are throwing tantrums without even looking at the background of the whole situation, the future inductions and a little bit of consideration about our political and economical constraints…..

    Please stop behaving like a spoiled brat who just wants a new toy because his next door buddy has got one…Do consider the pocket of your folks before demanding something new…..Now pleases stop boring us with your coonstant nagging and show some maturity here ...

    You will also get your toys, its only a matter of time ….:cheers:
     
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    hi x-man can you please give me a link to the reoprt where it says PAF is getting A2A refuellers...thank you mate
     
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    @ topic starter
    don't worry man, every country faces this[those who import weapons]
    Indian faced this condition in late 90s because of money problem and Indian force is depleting fast in 2008 and its strength fell from 41 squadran to 32 squadran this year[operational]. That's why india is so desperate purchasing ACs now these days still she wont get it early,not before 2015. we are in deep ****.
    same is with you now these days. these days will be over for pak once you will start production of JF17 and Indian start PAK- FA and Tejas.
    unless we will be able to produce air crafts or any military products of our own, we will facing this problem in future.:agree:
     
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    sir thanx its a very good answer to this thread.i appreciate the honesty of your answer unlike some of the other members here.
    its true that you should not compare paf arms purchases with that of indias you have to acknowledge the buying power of the indians
    the indians want to project power to the world so they are obsessed with some high tech stuff pakistan does not need them they only need some minimum deterence.

    moreover the entire answer to these thread would be simple , pakistan needs to get its economy straight and up, without realising they are falling back compared to india but alas many fail to acknowledge this.why do you think china is doing so well and the US is wary of them not because of the planes and submarines it is building ,the us has much much superior weapons,planes and subs than what the china has , its because of their economic strength.
    so its simple high tech toys wont serve you any good unless it are a strong economy because in the long run you will fall behind.

    thanx:pakistan:
     
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    I couldnt have said it better myself! I echo this. And Please Indians and Pakistanis, One request, Get over the each other fixation! India and Pakistan have different Goals in the Global Arena, thats what makes all this difference.
     
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