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    Silence on Kashmir: PM rebuffs invitation to attend UN event
    By Sardar Sikander
    Published: July 4, 2017
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    ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has decided to decline a United Nations’ request to attend a high-profile event in the wake of the world body’s continuing silence on atrocities by Indian forces in the Occupied Kashmir.

    The UN Mission in Pakistan, scheduled to organise an event on September 21 for “promoting peace”, had requested the PM to preside over the conclave as its chief guest, sources in the PM Office said.

    Initially, the sources said, the PM Office tentatively conveyed confirmation to the UN Mission in Pakistan for the event to be held at Pakistan National Council of Arts (PNCA) building in the federal capital.


    Subsequently, the PM decided not to attend the event on account of the world body’s silence on the situation in Indian Occupied Kashmir.

    Minister of State for Information Marriyum Aurangzeb was invited to attend the event as Guest of Honour, the sources said.

    Sources inside the PM Office said it was decided that the PM would not attend the event and the government’s side would be represented by the state minister of information, who would highlight the glaring human rights violations and focus on various aspects of the Kashmir issue.

    “This is necessary. They (the UN) keep talking about peace. But they do nothing to overcome the plight of Kashmiris and stop state-sponsored terrorism in the Valley,” the insider said.

    “This behaviour is duplicitous. How is it even possible to strive for peace in the region without acknowledging (Indian) terrorism in Kashmir?”

    The Express Tribune called PM’s Spokesman Musadik Malik for his comments on the issue but he did not respond.

    US can play key role on Kashmir: PM

    Chairman of the Parliamentary Special Committee on Kashmir Maulana Fazlur Rehman claimed that he recommended to the PM to adopt a tough stance in this regard.

    “This is an effective way to highlight the Kashmir issue at world forums. It is a shame that the Indian PM, despite unleashing terrorism upon innocent Kashmiris, managed to win Washington’s favours on Kashmir … (The US must remember) Modi himself is a terrorist who has blood of thousands of Muslims on his hands,” he told The Express Tribune.

    Senior PML-N AJK leader Sardar Sikander Hayat Khan agreed that the issue of the UN’s silence over the Kashmir issue remained high on agenda during recent meetings between the PML-N’s central and AJK leaderships.

    “We remain committed to the idea that there must be no compromise on the issue. Skipping an event is not such a big deal,” he said.
     
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    Nawaz is a good businessman but not a stateman.
    He has some "tatta" shortedg issues, i mean he need balls, he cannot even reply to fuckin indian defence minister speech, how he will defend Pakistan in world forums.
    We dont have a foreign minister. Every day we r loosing diplomatic battles agaisnt India, just look at our "close" neighbours the fuckin afghani dare to enter in Pakistan and conquer a village, and iranian send their drones.
    This government done a great jod on developing pakistani economy but we lost in diplomatic forums.
    May Allah protect Pakistan.
     
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    Good, because no one is going to take him seriously.
     
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    Good, very good.
     
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    What u mean??
     
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    Every move of Pakistan, it has only faced defeat & humiliation. You can only cry in depression & anger of every body deserting you. And a new worst, keeps superseding your previous worst status every-time.

    Soon all these people who are doing terror & people who are backing Kashmir violence, will be shattered & exhausted. A time will soon come, when people will say we will only lose our lives but for no use & will get nothing. Even Pakistan will only lose lives & money for a losing cause. You will have no choice but to surrender to God's will. And God's will is, to unite Kashmir to India & make it a peaceful integral part of India. All the Pandits of Kashmir will get their peaceful homeland soon. I can say confidently, it's going to be our prayers, which will be answered again like always, regarding Kashmir too.

    So if you want to continue crying & praying, go ahead, but remember my words - not only our Kashmir even AK & GB will become part of India by 2022. Time will tell, when God liberates Kashmir who's on the right side & whose prayers is powerful & meaningful.

    Nobody can give you peace in Pakistan or help you get Kashmir, no UN, not even China. You have a chance to avoid your humiliation by making peace with India. I know these words can only make you more frustrated & angry, but my duty is to keep reminding you. We can have a relation like so many of our friendly countries, if you open your eyes & analyse things with a rational mind. Good Luck
     
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    Ok for a moment i will follow your tips, first think India will kill our society and culture by their TV/Films.
    Second i you lose your identity like Japaneese diffusione after wwll you will never rise u will ramain a puppet state.
    And trust me indians dnt want peace if they wanted peace why they didnt held any referendum in J&K, bcz they know they will loose, they r oppressors, and Allah never ever "stays" with oppressors.
    Here is an exemple:
    Palestine and Isreal issue. 1000s of innocent have died bcz they wont accept any oppretion be It jews or hindu.
    So from your word is pretty much clear what type of muslim u r.
    A true muslim will never say Allah's will is oppression and tirany, we muslim fought against tirans and oppressors. Se died in this cause and u r saying that se should make peace with oppressors.
    Plz read some strategy, history.
    And tell me why by 2022 AK and GB are going to indian. Just give me logical answer. Not say Allah's will.plz dont di that.
    Then if we are going lo loose AK GB how we will be in the ten most powerful countries list by 2030.


    Ur post was basically about God's will.
    Noone in earth can guess what Allah want.
    So please mind your word before writing any post.
     
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    Asking US to meddle. Khud kuch nahi kar sakte.

    Aur ye Nawaz Sharif ki to Pakistani nahi sunte, UN kya khaak sunega. Hahaha....

    Read Islaminc history. Its filled with tyranny and oppression. Indian subcontinent Muslims are byproduct of this tyranny and subjagation as well as fored conversion.
     
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    I red It bro, have master in political history.
    Think that if moghul&co were tyran for hindu what is India to kashmiri. Just think about It.
    Then tell me what u think.
     
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    lol Nawaz is such a dump rebuffing a local event not even rebuffing sending other minister instead of himself.

    If he has balls and he is real serious why not boycott UNSC meeting in New York?

    who is he playing with? this govt has failed miserably in diplomacy & foreign policy.
     
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    First thing I was talking about God & I am a Hindu not a Muslim. And no Pakistani here, Administrators & Mods have the guts to keep this post. It will get deleted so I don't bother to explain. It's a waste of time to explain. Anyway, since you asked I am explaining.

    Regarding 2022, it's simple you are associated with a country which is fast going down, China. You need to do some deep study & analysis in world politics & economic figures to know where you stand. Once China becomes like Venezuela, you are going to be in such a helpless condition. It will be like you are dying & everybody is throwing stones at you in such a situation. That's what is coming

    China is still growing at a high rate of near 7% even today, but China is creating debt 4-5 times faster than incremental GDP. Beijing can't grow it's economy with ghost cities and high-speed railways, it’s not free, and it’s not sustainable.

    The only thing that can change the Chinese economy is fundamental economic reform. But they are moving in a regressive manner. It’s taking China away from a consumption economy and private companies toward the state.

    The Chinese people are seeing the economy is not growing. People are concerned about the political direction of the country, and people see the end is not that far away, so they move their money out.

    To stop the capital outflows and maintain stability, they put in draconian capital controls, starting from the end of 2015. They put some big limitations on outbound investment for corporates and multinationals. They can do this, but for how much longer? They are dis-incentivizing people to put money into China because they don’t know they can take it out again. In spite of the controls, there are record outflows.

    For example, according to their economists who say the $3 trillion Reserves, they have is enough to run the economy. China can just give you any number, and you don’t know whether it’s the right one, just like GDP. You cannot go to the State Administration of Foreign Exchange and look through their books. They can report anything, and you don’t know. And they have a high incentive to fake that number.

    Many economists & analysts clearly know they have a synthetic short position, because they are selling derivatives through the state banks. If you look at the estimates of foreign exchange reserves each month, they always outperform the surveys. China always outperforms—it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the foreign exchange (FX) number can’t be right. Misreporting their FX reserve declines, minimizes the problems, so people keep believing in the currency.

    So I think they don’t have the $3 trillion. They have done the trick Brazil pulled in 2014 of selling derivatives instead of actual dollars. According to my sources, there’s $500 billion still to be accounted for.

    Then there are illiquid investments in the Chinese foreign exchange reserves, around $1 trillion. According to my estimates, you are then down to $1.5 trillion in usable money to defend the currency. The FX reserves aren’t as big and as liquid as Beijing wants them to be.

    Xi says the Chinese dream is a strong China. So he is responsible for everything, and depreciation never benefits the Chinese consumers. [The Chinese leaders] continue to make stupid decisions. It’s the political system; the political imperative is too strong. It would be too embarrassing to do wholesale reform. Xi wants to appear strong. They have always tried to prevent natural economic adjustments—and by doing that, they have made the underlying imbalances bigger.

    Do you know what happened in 2008. China is not going to have another 2008. It’s going to be a Chinese 1929.

    To top up it's mess, China has made tooo many enemies. Leave alone South China Sea, compared to India, It also have bigger states like Tibet & Xinjiang which it has to handle, apart from Hong Kong, Macau, Mongolia. China is eyeing other countries Natural resources & is in a spree to debt trap every country possible to hedge its debt. Oil Reserves in South China sea, Balochistan's natural resources, Africa etc. It will even strike Iran taking the side of the Arabs to get control of Oil there if it start functioning of CPEC. China is only trying to put a brave face, it's already in shit. Xi Jingping, top officials & the economists know, any small back firing will blow its lid off even faster. Everybody is choking China. In 3-4 years Chinese repercussions will start to show up, where it will have no power to go to war, so worse will be the case of Pakistan, who will be like a fish out of water. This is when India will strike Pakistan.


    Why do you think, India is in such a hurry to procure every advanced weaponry. The first country to be neutralized would be North Korea, which should happen next year, max 2019. Russia will be very quiet for next 2-3 years. Putin has already done many blunders & there is a regime change coming in Russia & Putin will have difficulty to keep his power. Though people's confidence has reduced from 2014, India's next PM elections & present sentiments still favor Modi for 2019. If BJP brings another 2-3 states under BJP rule, both the party & Modi will hold a overwhelming power which no opposition can topple or question. Once next re-election of Modi, he will give the go ahead to strike Pakistan. And 2019/20 most of our things start to arrive - S 400, Howitzers, Baraq 8/ MRSAM, Submarines, New Assault Rifles, Heron drones, Rafales, Apache/ Chinook Helicopters, Aircraft Carrier Vikrant, Extended 600 Km Brahmos, Radars, more defense surveillance satellites launch, etc. There will also be some surprise secret weapons. 2021 or 2022 India will strike Pakistan. This will be a time when you will have no money to buy even spares. And all your armaments you have ordered will start coming way past 2022.

    We were maintaining 3:1 superiority in the 80's but it is already 6:1 & will widen to 7:1 by 2021, since many old fighters of Pak will be out of spares & should face technical in-capabilities to fight. Our land artillery, tanks, Rocket launchers, Assault rifles & Missiles are far far ahead of Pak. Our Missile Defense system, Brahmos, Su 30 & Rafaels are a deadly combination on the land & air for which Pak has no answer. IAF has acquired the capability to look deep into Pakistan’s territory through AEW, UAVs and space based satellite systems. Our Naval force is no match (just our naval power alone can sink Pak without usage of our Air force & Army). To top it all, India is conducting joint war exercises with many many countries which Pakistan don't enjoy. This continuous engagements & training is going to be a major shock & confidence breaker, when Pakistan faces India at war. And India has much bigger commercial advantage today compare to 1965/71 scenario where we had little money for training & had inferior weaponry.

    There are chances some western countries can hold back TOT after a war & occupation of Pak seeing India's new bold & offense capabilities. So it would require a concerted effort in R&D and indigenous design and development and more importantly the capacity to produce modern aircraft and equipment in the country. Indian Govt is speedily willing to spend Billions to establish co-development & TOT to overcome all these difficulties faced in slow progress of our own projects.

    The coming war will be over in less than a week since we will use Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan bases along with our indispensable Navy on other side to strike you from all sides & our commandos who will operate from Balochistan & Karachi. There is no one who will come to your rescue this time like the previous war, you can't run anywhere for calling a cease fire. Even if any country asks for ceasefire, India won't stop the offense this time till Pak is Leveled to the ground.

    The whole world is in a fragile situation, everybody is going to be affected. Russia is another country which will go down the Venezuela way. The whole world is going to go back 10-20 years behind after Chinese collapse. They are all trying to stay together with the right economies to reduce the gloom, so the world is tilting towards India.

    This is the reason I am saying, make peace with India, you & your children has some scope of a future. You are already late & messed up to the core for a collapse. Check all your industries collapsing one by one. You will be in a sad situation in next 3-4 years. Do your own analysis. Shed hatred. It can save you. If you want to go with your ego, even your God won't save you. Good Luck.

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/mentor-counsel-coach/rising-tiger-falling-dragon/
     
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    The chineese ecomy isnt going to blow io in the air, for ur info they r not only building Ghost cities and TGVs, they r investing in High tech, modern industry.

    In the second paragraf i agree with u india will strike pak by 2022.
    U have 7:1 ratio, but remember high numbers dosen't mean anything, during the arab-israeli wars Isreal won despite facing huge numbers of enemy.
    If an army is poorly trained u can equip them with latest weapon but they wont win bcz they have training issues.
    The indian military plans are based on old soviet plans wich were created in late 60s and 70s, basically they r based in use of heavy armoured and artillary units with paratroppers in helis. This type of plan needs very high level of coordination, wich indian army dont have.
    In the other side the PA plans are more US oriented, those plans were made in response of soviets plans of 60s and 70s, these plans consited in heavy use of ATGMS and CAS with helis to counter the immense soviet armoured unità(poorly trained with low morale).
    Another thing u should know is that Infantry is the base for all types of battles, the IA Infantry is huge but as i said before poorly trained and equiped, the PA infantry ad they say "Battle hardened" and in one to one match PA soldier win against IA, Simply bcz your soldier isnt enough trained and is badly equiped.
    To counter indian armoured units Pak Army has alots of ATGMs(u can read harold coyle s book not novels to know how effective ATGMs r) also PA avition is much better( they maintain very well their machines) then IA aviation ( poorly trained and poorly maintained).

    Remember 2001 and 2008 standoffs IA had huge logistical issues their soldier died in friendly fire incidents.

    U can get anything u want but never think to win just bcz u have more toys then us.
    BTW u r already a superpowa u dont need apaches,s400.
    IA is trying to replace their standard rifle from 90s and now we r in 2017.

    Remember 1965 lahore op.
     
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    China won't fall by 2022, but it's lid will be blown for others to see the beginning of its economic crunch & decline. After 2021, when most of our new jets & arms have arrived, they cannot even think of even pulling a rifle trigger by mistake at our border. Remember we are the only country standing up to Chinese bullying & threats today. We have infused the confidence in many countries including Japan, Vietnam, Philippines & America already, who will all enter war with China, if they attack India. As of now, we are only making ourself safe before deciding to strike Pakistan. We already have 450 km Brahmos which is more than enough for Pakistan, as we have access to Afghanistan & Iran also to strike, but by 2021 we will have the extended version of 600 km. Just a naval variant of this missile is enough for China to stay out of any conflict with India.

    Pakistan can easily be run over even today. But India is waiting for being double safe & equipped. Also we still are little vulnerable to Nuclear attacks though our radar & satellite tracking is good. We also have American & the western support for this. It's just our Missile defense system which needs additional back up. In its current iteration, India’s BMD is a two-layered system. Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) which is supposed to tackle incoming missiles at ranges of 80-120 km (exo-atmospheric interception). And the advanced air-defense (AAD) mainly consists of Akash Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAM) that can intercept incoming missiles at ranges of 15-30 km (endo-atmospheric interception). If the PAD system is devised for mid-course interception, the AAD is a terminal phase interception system which can only counter incoming missiles after their entry into the atmosphere. The PAD and AAD missiles working in tandem are said to have a hit probability of 99.8% against enemy ballistic missile. It has been tested multiple times, but not cleared for full deployment yet. Though we may improvise & deploy it in coming years. It's better to have a backup.

    So we are equipping our-self with Baraq 8 & S 400's to be dead safe. Russian S-400 system can shoot down fifth-generation fighter Jets, like America’s most advanced F-35s is what experts claim. The long-range Swordfish radar is used to track and provide fire control to our tested missiles already. This Israeli radar has a range of 800+ km and can be used for tracking enemy missile launches and trajectories. India is upgrading this radar to increase its range to 1500 km.

    Regarding your claim of battle hardened Pak Army think you didn't read my post properly, it's just a myth, we are not the same India of previous wars. We started seeing sufficient money after 2000. Till then we were tied up in our own internal mess & debts. As of today our Forex reserves stand at 385 Billion $ compared to 16 Billion $ of Pak. You have no money to buy weaponry or having advanced training. We are having continuous joint exercises with the various countries which Pakistan doesn't enjoy. A joint 14 day exercise with Royal Thailand Army is on from 5th July as we are talking. We are starting a Naval exercise with Japan & America on 10th July day after tomorrow. From last year, we have intensified these training almost every month, we are in some or the other training some where. These exercises not only help exchanging skills and experiences between the two nations engaged, but also build and promote closer relations when we exchange new techniques. Your forces are in for a shock, with the kind of brain washing of India's poor training fed to them.

    http://www.bestcurrentaffairs.com/full-list-joint-defence-exercises-foreign-countries/

    http://www.civilsdaily.com/blog/list-of-joint-military-exercises-between-india-and-the-world/

    And another thing about your battle hardened Army is we are not going to have a full scale war. Which era are you living in, gone are those days of Tanks & ATGM's. It is a war of technologies. We will use Air force jets, Missiles & Navy mostly. We may be using hardly 10-20k Soldiers in the whole war with Pak. A hand ful of commandos will work along BLA. There must be already a hand ful of under cover agents, who will be living in Pakistan as locals already. So all your battle hardened PA is of no use in the coming war, they will be sitting ducks to our Drones, Sukhois & Rafael bombs. Our Brahmos, Baraq8 & S 400 will send panic in your entire force instantly. They will only be looking for cover than fighting.

    We won with with inferior weaponry in the 65 & 71 war. And regarding mention of Israel you tried a similar surprise strike on India in 1971 by bombing our air bases, still you lost.

    You stand no chance with our present technological advanced weaponry & numbers. Less than a week, we will take over every inch of Pakistan.

    Even if you make peace with India, it's difficult for you to pull your country back. The whole world is heading for a major recession. With your present economic condition, We can't even accept re-unification. It will hit our country badly. It will drain all our reserves to provide employment & development. It will back fire with your Islamic obsession & mindset again. All we can do is bring peace in your country & give some support externally, so you get a chance to fight back your economic misery. We can help push your industries under our banner like how we are trying to re-build Afghanistan. It will take decades to recover from your adversities which you have created over the past 70 years due to your wrong policies & leaders. But peace has to be struck immediately. In another 3-4 years you will be in such a economic gloom, it's a no return ticket. India can only take over the country by eliminating the entire population. Hope it opens your eyes. Remember, I am not doing any chest thumping here, just giving a reality check.
     
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    Hahahaha bro too much Bollywood films.
    Wake up this is real world if your India is growing, so Pakistan does your traing exs with US will not bring efficiency. Even bugaria has joint drills with US but they suck, bcz they r ineffecient.
    Regarding your standing tall against chineese, read some history 1962 even then u had US with u, what they did, nothing.
    Go home and chill watch some "Phantom" like movies.
    The reality is and will remain, u will never be able to conquer Pakistan. What u think the 9/11 was just a terror attack, nope US needed an excuse to encicle Pakistan, all were ready to conquer Pakistan, but they didnt, Guess why? Nukes bro untill we have a single warhead your army never dare to attack on Pakistan.
     
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    You asked me for explanation, I have given. I know this would be your response when you hear facts. Either you mock or get it deleted from Mods. Anyway I am not somebody who make vague posts. That's reason I am giving time unlike people making fake tall claims, India will be destroyed, India will break up, Khalistan, Tamil, Assam, North East stories, Ghazwa e Hind & other fantasies. But nobody gives a time when, why, how. I have given you year & explanation. Don't worry I will be around. And I shall keep reminding this time for the next 4-5 years as it becomes reality. If you exist, I will pull up this post to add salt to your injury. Anyway I am not here for unwanted argument & mud slinging. It's utter waste of time. So Good luck

    My posts are only to give an insight to some blind haters who just believe in their fake fantasies that India & Hindus can never defeat Pakistan. Save some innocents on both sides. Who cares if you want to write your destiny. If you strive for change it will help you more than India.
     
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