• Tuesday, October 22, 2019

Should Lebanon buy S-300PM2 or S-300PM3 (now called S-400) to stop Israel violating airspace?

Discussion in 'Middle East & Africa' started by Austin Powers, Jul 13, 2019.

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  1. Austin Powers

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    I think so because Lebanon has no diplomatic relation with Israel and Israel constantly violates Lebanon airspace.

     
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    Currently Lebanon is getting military aid from.....?
     
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    No one.
     
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    This sale would bode well for Russian interests. If Russian interests are for Russia, not Israhell. This would protect Syria and contain the zionists. So Russia would have the choice of being a puppet of the West, which it is inwardly. Or does Russia want to be an independent nation like China, not some puppet like the UK. Russia flirts with independence now and again. The UK cannot change their foreign policy, they are subject to foreign powers. Even a radical like Corbyn would have difficultly in making the UK 'Great Again'.

    Containing the drive of Israhell is in the interests of Russia, and in any of the West who don't want to be tobbie slaves of zionists.

    Even if the zionist Putin were to try to get a sphere of influence after joining NATO, who is going to be under Russia? Poles don't want that, Baltic states don't want that, Ukraine wants Crimea back. Georgia is aligned with NATO already. Russia's friends are the nations on the 7 countries in 5 years list: Libya, Syria, Iran, Iran, Lebanon. Future friends are Turkey and Egypt and Saudis. Most of these nations are hate Israhell, and Israhell wants all these nations either made puppets or zionist occupied. This clashes with Russian interests, which shows Putin does not serve Russian interests, but serve zionist interests.

    So would Lebanon get S-400s, probably not because Putin would stop this.

    I doubt Putin is unaware on any given day, which capital does Putin serve: Moscow or Hell Aviv. Serving Hell Aviv would mean many Orthodox in Lebanon are on a waiting list to be treated as the Orthodox Arabs are treated in Palestine. This is not Russia's interest, but zionist interest. What is Putin, A Russian or a Zionist?
     
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    These missile defense will not be effective alone and also need good fighrerjets,awacs and surveillance drones for effective data gathering otherwise israel will destroy them through air attacks
     
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    Should Russia stay friends with their good friends in the Middle East and offer continued friendship with China, or will Putin cave to zionists and join NATO.

    NATO would morph into something with the motto, 'get the Orthodox in the Middle East and turn them into unwanted Palestinians'. Is this acceptable to Russia?
     
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    Pfffft. Some cheap Humvees maybe. Hand me down. Turkey gives far more aid to NLF. Russia gives far more aid to SAA. The US gives far more aid to SDF. What the US gives Lebanon is peanuts and an insult. Russia can give Lebanon makes what the US gives Lebanon look like child's play. Kornet missiles. S-300 SAM. T-90 tanks. Smerch artillery. All these Russia give SAA for free. Lebanon is better off with Russia than with America which don't even give Lebanon any TOW missile.

    Correct. But it would prevent Israel from flying over Lebanon. S-300PM2 range 250 km. S-400 range 380 km.

    Plus a lot of that is training. Actually hardware like hand me down HUMVEE are not more than 1 billion over 20 years.
     
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    has the s-300 ever shot anything down in a real world situation?

    the Russians need to stop acting so beta to Israel and shoot some Zionist plane down already.... what more motivation do you need then the direct murder of many high ranking Russian officers in a plane by Israel....

    s-300 in Lebanon would be an easy target for Israel. Lebanon needs more assymetric style air defense systems combined with a robust ability to directly counter attack into Israel (accurate guided missiles do the trick)

    Hezbollah today posses fateh 110. and can hit any airport, infrastructure or any target it desires In Israel. this will keep Zionist planes more in check then 10 s-300 systems.
     
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    Not that I know of. But S-200 has shot down F-16I. S-300 especially modern versions like PM2 and PM3 are far more potent than 1960s S-200. They are a good deterrent.
     
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    On it's own the s300 won't be able to stop the IAF. They would need layered AD to protect the missiles as well as an airforce.
     
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    IDF pilots are like single kids. They don't risk their lives. They don't dare enter range of S-300PM2. Syria and Iran bought MiG-29 from Russia. MiG-29 is Russia counterpart of F-18. Sufficient to defend Lebanon airspace.
     
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    Yeah the Syrians have the s300pm2 and the pantsir. They didn't stop the Israelis a few months ago. And the mig29 might be fine with a lot of training and infrastructure but just handing a few planes over will not cut it.
     
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    IDF planes do not enter Syrian airspace. They only strike with stand off missiles from Lebanon airspace. The only time an F-16I got a navigation error and entered Syrian airspace by mistake it got promptly shot down by S-200. Make no mistake, S-300PM2 is excellent deterrent.
     
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