AFM is reputed yes but is not correct in this instance! - the debris of the downed F-16 landed well within pak territory and recovered by rescue crews very soon. on the russian side there was no evidence to support the claim of the afghan or soviet airforce. u want me to believe a story 'conceived' by the KGB which needed such stories to raise the morale of their 'defeated' army in afghanistanThe article I posted was orginally published in a highly reputed magazine, Airforce Monthly. Most aviation experts agree that the Soviet MiG-23s played a role in downing the Pak F-16s. The fratricide theory is upheld only by Pakistan and US (obviously, the US would not want other countries to believe that a third-generation Russian fighter with a superior pilot can shoot down a fourth-generation American fighter with an inferior pilot).
welcome back sir! i hope sir muradk will be joining us soon aswell-- its you guys who maintain the high quality of info on the forum*** While I was writing reply to I'Kafir ,TaimiKhan took care of that Troll. But allow me to still post the reply because I think that few soldiers of Armchair Brigade from across the border need to know this as well. ****
Does name Flt Lt-A.B.Dhavale ring any bells ? On 11th December'71 at Adampur,Flt Lt A.B.Dhavle of 1Sqn flying a MiG-21(C1107) was shot by another Mig-21 . Flt Lt Dhavale was killed instantly.
There are enough PAF publications to prove this. But I am sure you will rule them out as being bias, so here is a proof from your own site.
One due to accidental firing of a missile by a mistake in identifying Flt. Lt. A.B. Dhavle of No.1 Sqn during a night raid.
[url=http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Aircraft/MiG-21.html]IAF MiG-21s At War[/URL]
11-Dec-71 MiG-21 Flt Lt A B Dhavle C1107 Adampur Accident. SD by a MiG-21 . killed
[url=http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1971War/Appendix2.html]Indian Air Force Losses in the 1971 War[/URL]
Now lets move forward buddy and as said by Fatman that F-16 was a fratricide. I am not trying to defend it as I feel sorry for about this incident, it shouldnt have happened. But the thing is that in the confusion of combat and stresses of action, anything can happen. Sometimes own guys are hurt.
Mine, yours and almost every other airforce has suffered from fratricide incidents in different ways. Even in recent Iraq / Afghanistan wars, there have been so many incidents where USAF pilots have dropped bombs on their own or friendly forces, in return killing many of their own.
Despite hi-tech aircrafts, AWACS support, FACs presence and effective communication: FRATRICIDE STILL HAPPENS AND WILL CONT TO HAPPEN IN THE FOG OF WAR AND COMBAT.
Feeling the moments of glory after reading your post. Pakistan Armed Forces were brave enough to shoot an enemy's aircraft especially when they were facing a super power. Sounds wonderful--but hey--Aren't we missing something? Didn't the glorious PAF know that they had the U.S. at the back? Who gave those F16s to us? We were sure that the U.S. would have helped us in any scenario since they wanted to get rid of Soviets just like Pakistan. Now a question for you..Were we brave enough OR we had another super power at our back?
Pilot did a great job but please limit the glory to the pilot.
As the Iranian and Iraqi airforces of the 1980s proved, an air force is only as effective as the leadership in and around it. Were the PAF allowed to function as a separate entity, and didn't have to be involved in the political game...we would have NATO aircraft being engaged. But the reality is, this is all about politics and it always will be.Gentlemen and ladies,
It is time to bring this thread back to life----all those who bragged about PAF doing their duty and shooting down the russian aircraft----well---what you got now---. We have a strike inside of pakistan and 26 soldiers have been killed----can we wake up our brave and active air force!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you people say.
That is really very true about the Americans. They will obviously never give their top of the line technology, but because the American technology is so far ahead of the rest of the world...even the stripped down f-16s they sold us (relative to their own), were lethal aircraft that made the Russian fighter bombers look like choppers.Pfpilot,
You know---you are absolutely right---it is all about the consequences----the taking down of russian planes by the f 16's was to justify the sale of those planes---it was to show the U S that we are capable and trustworthy operators---.
If we had a stronger force backing pakistan right now---paf would take similiar action---alas we are only as strong as our weakest link.