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How's eating grass turning out for you all?
How's eating grass turning out for you all?
Wrong question - the one to ask is how many will still blindly follow them off a cliff and right now a majority of Pakistan’s population will because either they think these men are equal to the prophet or they are afraid of the millions of rabid animals who do think they areI wonder how many of those certifying the sighting of the moon through that telescope have cataracts? What do they see, I do wonder. But then I see the nation that chooses to follow them, and think to myself, how appropriate.![]()
Wrong question - the one to ask is how many will still blindly follow them off a cliff and right now a majority of Pakistan’s population will because either they think these men are equal to the prophet or they are afraid of the millions of rabid animals who do think they are
I mean if one really wants to be purely scientific about it - not exactly a bad output to balance the overall socioeconomic and natural ecosystem. Purely from a scientific standpoint and nothing more - not suggesting it.. but purely as a scientific never to happen hypothesis.But then I see the nation that chooses to follow them off a cliff, and think to myself, how appropriate.![]()
I mean if one really wants to be purely scientific about it - not exactly a bad output to balance the overall socioeconomic and natural ecosystem. Purely from a scientific standpoint and nothing more - not suggesting it.. but purely as a scientific never to happen hypothesis.
One other dumb thing about the moonsighting drama in Indo-Pak is that it happened after the 30 days of Sha'ban. So, as a result, these losers got the entire region to start fasting a day later than everybody else.If only it was that easy. People love following these clowns instead of practising proper Islam. Just at us, we refuse to give our women their share of the inheritance and yet have the audacity to proudly call ourselves Muslims.
One other dumb thing about the moonsighting drama in Indo-Pak is that it happened after the 30 days of Sha'ban. So, as a result, these losers got the entire region to start fasting a day later than everybody else.
It is not unique to South Asia:One other dumb thing about the moonsighting drama in Indo-Pak is that it happened after the 30 days of Sha'ban. So, as a result, these losers got the entire region to start fasting a day later than everybody else.
Moonsighting isn't the issue. The problem is that in Indo-Pak, they literally did it after the month preceding Ramadan (Sha'ban) ended.It is not unique to South Asia:
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Moon watching in Indonesia
Indonesian muslims observe the new moon that will mark the end of Ramadanwww.cbsnews.com
Moon watching is endorsed by traditionalist Islam (NU), while Modernist (Muhammadiyah) uses calculation. Both are biggest and second biggest Islamic organization in Indonesia. I follow modernist interpretation on Quran. Quran is the base of calculation since Quran is made by God so perfect, while hadiths for this matter is tied to the ancient period where during that time Muslim doesnt know about astronomy yetIt is not unique to South Asia:
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Moon watching in Indonesia
Indonesian muslims observe the new moon that will mark the end of Ramadanwww.cbsnews.com
Just watching the moon is a perfectly innocent act. This thread is regarding the hullabaloo that goes around making it a big deal. Even the Indonesian news shows the observers using high tech electronic instruments to aid in keeping the sensitive telescopes targeted at moon. One person seems to be even entering an ephemeris from paper so that the turret will swivel and focus on moon. That is probably way beyond anything that was conceived centuries back.Moon watching is endorsed by traditionalist Islam (NU), while Modernist (Muhammadiyah) uses calculation. Both are biggest and second biggest Islamic organization in Indonesia. I follow modernist interpretation on Quran. Quran is the base of calculation since Quran is made by God so perfect, while hadiths for this matter is tied to the ancient period where during that time Muslim doesnt know about astronomy yet
Of course because of that prophet Muhammad ask people to see the moon. Logic.
Rasul'Allah (SAW) said if you can't see the moon due to overcast, then you complete the month.Moon watching is endorsed by traditionalist Islam (NU), while Modernist (Muhammadiyah) uses calculation. Both are biggest and second biggest Islamic organization in Indonesia. I follow modernist interpretation on Quran. Quran is the base of calculation since Quran is made by God so perfect, while hadiths for this matter is tied to the ancient period where during that time Muslim doesnt know about astronomy yet
Of course because of that prophet Muhammad ask people to see the moon. Logic.
Rasul'Allah (SAW) said if you can't see the moon due to overcast, then you complete the month.
So, let's say calculations tell you that the moon is present, but due to overcast you can't see it, what opinion would you follow?