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A melodramatic title I know but:

"In Kolhapur Dr Dabholkar exposed “Cowfly Baba”, who gave false comfort to people for ten rupees a time by pretending to remove dirt and cowflies from their ears with a glass tube. He poured public scorn on Sathya Sai Baba, a millionaire godman who appeared to make holy ash, gold chains and Swiss watches appear from thin air. Dr Dabholkar also offered 21 lakh rupees (about $33,000) to any sorcerer who, under strict scientific conditions, could stay on fire for a minute without moving, duplicate a currency note, grow a severed limb two centimetres by the application of powder, or turn water into petrol. The sum remains unclaimed.

Much of the “black magic” he dealt with had simple, sad causes behind it. The wild, convulsing women in the temples of Ambabai and Dattatreya were not possessed, but were mentally ill, hysterical after years of poor food, risky births and mistreatment by their families. One case, where a family was petrified by halved lemons strewn outside the house, clothes torn and the milk spoilt with salt, was traced to a daughter-in-law whose husband would not take her to the movies. When the poor came to his “mobile science” vans, bringing their stories of terrifying horoscopes, Dr Dabholkar would hand them a telescope and patiently explain the profound indifference of the stars.

The only inexplicable thing, he would say (all other “inexplicable” things being rationally explained by natural laws) was that India in the 21st century was still so full of superstition. It launched its own satellites, but before a launch the gods would be invoked with flowers and sandalwood paste; its IT was the envy of the world, but even middle-class people would not start a new project on “inauspicious” Saturdays. The cult of the individual was gathering pace, but people still believed that their fates were in the hands of the gods, not themselves. They clung blindly to karma, which was a law for “sheep” and “slaves”.


It has been 4 months since Narendra Dabolkar's murder. We need more rationalists to campaign against superstiions that curtail's a person's right to life, or causes physically injurious



Slain rationalist Narendra Dabholkar had waged a long battle to pressurise the Maharashtra Government to pass this Bill. It took his murder in Pune on August 20 this year to galvanise the government which then promulgated an Ordinance on black magic, blind faith and superstition. The Bill was opposed by right wing organizations and opposition Shiv Sena-BJP. The Maharashtra BJP president Devendra Fadnavis had raised concerns about the Bill during the debate in the assembly saying, "This will be misused. The draft needs some changes".

The Bill recommends:
--Strong punishment for beating up someone, issuing threats or inflicting physical injury on anyone over ghosts or black magic.
--Punishment for mental, physical and sexual harassment by making false claims or proclaiming self as godman.

The Opposition fears that these points in the Bill will be used only against certain religions. But the CM has assured that the Bill is aimed at preventing human sacrifice.

The Bill has long history. It was earlier introduced in 2003 as the Maharashtra Eradication of Black Magic, Evil and Aghori Practices Bill and was passed by the state assembly in 2005 after many amendments. It then got stuck in the Legislative Council.



Read more at: Four months after Narendra Dabholkar's murder, Maharashtra passes Anti-Black Magic Bill : West, News - India Today



It is a darn shame that this man's murderers hasn't been found.
 

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why did you change the title ?

Dr Dabholkar was someone who was intensely narrow minded and his supporters extremely insensitive ..
But yeah i support the anti superstition bill and he should not have been killed
 

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OMG. Yes its a SHAME FOR INDIA. We should all now kills our self.

Looks like Ravi Nair has taken up Hafize job of providing us with daily entertainment. Must be the 'secular' streak in him :enjoy:
 

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OMG. Yes its a SHAME FOR INDIA. We should all now kills our self.

Looks like Ravi Nair has taken up Hafize job of providing us with daily entertainment. Must be the 'secular' streak in him :enjoy:
The typical NRI syndrome. Bashing India when they are in the comforts of a foreign land
 

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The typical NRI syndrome. Bashing India when they are in the comforts of a foreign land
Its more likely to cover up some sort of Inferiority Complex. They feel better by blaming India for their deficiencies.

I guess its more of a coping mechanism. It would be a lot better for us if he would just get psychiatric help.
 

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Cults and supersition go hand in hand with polytheism, and as far as Islam tells us, let the Mushreeqs be, they can worship idols, if they want to. That is not our business, but if they break the law, then it becomes the business of the state to protect its citizen.

From what ever little knowledge I know. This is the basic guide line of Islam on this matter, and I guess Muslim rulers adopted the same policy to some degree, in Subcontinent, comprising of region now India, with large Mushreeq population.

Thus you see a large population of Mushreeqs in now India, because the Muslim rulers were indifferent to their superstition and polytheistic tradition and practices.

But now with modern education school system, people are learning more about nature , which God created, and this brings people out of superstition and superstitious traditions, and more towards the natural concept of God, innate in humans, with purity. (Monotheism)

Hopefully, modern education system would transform "Indian" society, bring them out of superstitious mindset and traditions.
 

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Its more likely to cover up some sort of Inferiority Complex. They feel better by blaming India for their deficiencies.

I guess its more of a coping mechanism. It would be a lot better for us if he would just get psychiatric help.
The typical NRI syndrome. Bashing India when they are in the comforts of a foreign land
& have noticed a trend here where it makes easier to bash India & a particular religion by having a user name pretty much in line with your target. There are couple of them floating around here...
 

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I saw a documentary once, a few Indians on a side street with heavy weights hanging down their private parts, just curious is that a religious practice or a stunt/trick?
 

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@Ravi Nair Sensationalistic title indeed! But look at what that has done. Instead of reading the message, people are busy lynching the messenger.

I sometimes wonder if these people would still talk in favour of Sati if it wasn't outlawed by the Brits. :rolleyes:
 

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This is sad and shocking. Hope his movement continues without a break and the culprits get caught as soon as possible. This is sickening to see we still have to fight the 18th Century superstitions in this age.
 

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@Ravi Nair Sensationalistic title indeed! But look at what that has done. Instead of reading the message, people are busy lynching the messenger.

I sometimes wonder if these people would still talk in favour of Sati if it wasn't outlawed by the Brits. :rolleyes:
to be honest, I didn't read what was said, I knew the response.

The comments that immediately followed Dabhokar's was along the lines 'why didn't he go after Muslims?'

Never mind the fact that getting rid of black magic and fake babas is beneficial for Hinduism.

Now I haven't read the replies, but I can categorise criticism directed against me

1) I am a Muslim appeasing Pseudo-secular

2) I am an Indian living in a foreign land and lick the boot of the white people

3) All these practices are due to Muslims and British


Am I right?
 

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to be honest, I didn't read what was said, I knew the response.

The comments that immediately followed Dabhokar's was along the lines 'why didn't he go after Muslims?'

Never mind the fact that getting rid of black magic and fake babas is beneficial for Hinduism.

Now I haven't read the replies, but I can categorise criticism directed against me

1) I am a Muslim appeasing Pseudo-secular

2) I am an Indian living in a foreign land and lick the boot of the white people

3) All these practices are due to Muslims and British


Am I right?
Right on the first two counts! It needed the British for us to get rid of practices like Sati and cults like Thuggees. Our own social reformers were usually treated like Mr Dabholkar(the trend continues).

But who're you to talk about all this, you pseudo-secular NRI ? :pissed:
 

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This is sad and shocking. Hope his movement continues without a break and the culprits get caught as soon as possible. This is sickening to see we still have to fight the 18th Century superstitions in this age.
Are you talking about this ?

The case where people where literally "eating shit" with full church sanction ? :cheesy:

Now let us all sing 'hail mary' for the british for banning sati and rape and murder and building the rail roads and what ever else the pseudo intellectuals want to thank them for :P

Sanal Edamaruku, Indian Rationalist, Proves 'Weeping Christ' Miracle A Hoax, Now Faces Years In Jail (VIDEO)

What started with a mysterious trickle, ended in death threats, charges of blasphemy and pleas for asylum from Sanal Edamaruku. The noted Indian rationalist argued that a "miraculous" dripping crucifix in Mumbai was caused by faulty plumbing and not divine intervention.

The controversy started in March when water began to drip from the feet of a statue of Jesus at the Church of Our Lady of Velankanni in western Mumbai. Thousands flocked to the site to collect the "holy" water, with some even drinking it in the hopes of curing various ailments, the Daily News reports.

Edamaruku, who is the founder and president of Rationalist International and president of the Indian Rationalist Association, arrived at the site to investigate.

In a July interview with Slate, Edamaruku explained what he found at Our Lady of Velankanni.

I had a close look at a nearby washroom and the connected drainage system that passed underneath the concrete base of the cross. I removed some stones from the drain and found it was blocked. I touched the walls, the base, and the cross and took some photographs for documentation. It was very simple: Water from the washroom, which had been blocked in the clogged drainage system, had been transmitted via capillary action into the adjacent walls and the base of the cross as well as into the wooden cross itself. The water came out through a nail hole and ran down over the statue's feet.

Edamauku also explained the supposed miracle on live television. The program, shown on Mumbai's TV-9, channel, was posted to YouTube in March and included a very heated debate between Edamauku, the priest of Our Lady of Velankanni church and representatives of the Association of Concerned Catholics.

The backlash against Edamaruku's conclusions was swift and strong.

According to Slate, the 56-year-old rationalist has been accused of insulting religion (a charge akin to blasphemy) under Section 295A of the Indian penal code, which charges a person with "deliberately hurting religious feelings and attempting malicious acts intended to outrage the religious sentiments of any class or community.”

Death threats followed, and Edamaruku was forced to seek exile in Finland, according to The Guardian.



What a shame our 'secularist' did not qualify this as a "SHAME FOR INDIA" and asked us to collectively kill ourselves :lol:
 

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