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ANOTHER BUTT HURT ARTICLE FROM ACROSS THE BORDER

China Arms Pakistan With ‘Nuclear-Capable’ Howitzers That Can ‘Devastate’ Indian Cities Close To Its Border?​

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ByNitin J Ticku
January 28, 2022
China has been arming Pakistan’s military in a bid to challenge Indian military dominance in the region. Beijing has supplied cutting-edge equipment to Islamabad which many experts see as a strategy to keep New Delhi occupied and diverted.

Islamabad recently acquired the first batch of Chinese-made vehicle-mounted SH-15 howitzers to counter the Indian K-9 Vajra howitzers, reported Hindustan Times. This export from Beijing is expected to boost Pakistan’s firepower against India as the two neighbors remain vigilant against one another at the heavily militarized Line of Control (LoC).
Interestingly, after a successful deployment in Ladakh, the Indian Army is also set to acquire 200 more K9 Vajra (Thunder) howitzers, as previously reported by the EurAsian Times.

Pakistan’s army currently uses the M109A5, a tracked self-propelled howitzer made by the United States, although the country plans to upgrade its artillery force with new wheeled artillery weapons.
At the height of tensions with India in 2019, the Pakistan Army had signed a contract with China Northern Industries Corporation (NORINCO) to purchase SH-15 Howitzer artillery guns.

Pakistan had then announced that it intends to buy 236 of these artillery pieces with transfer-of-technology clauses and station them along the Line of Control.

According to an earlier report by the EurAsian Times – the Sh-15 Howitzer could be made nuclear-capable if Pakistan’s attempts to miniaturize its nuclear weapons are successful.

The SH-15 howitzer made an appearance at Pakistan’s 10th International Defence Exhibition and Seminar in Karachi. Only one picture of the artillery gun appeared which confirmed that Pakistan was in process of acquiring the Chinese artillery guns.

A leaked picture of the trials was published in Chinese magazines. Pakistan was believed to have ordered at least 52 SH-15, enough for three regiments of the artillery.

SH-15 is an ideal ‘shoot and scoot’ artillery weapon for the use of nuclear shells. Pakistan has been working on the miniaturization of nuclear weapons since 1984. The US nuclear artillery shell W-48 uses 10kg high-density alpha-plutonium with a sphere of barely 54mm.
Pakistan Acquires Sh-15 "Nuclear-Capable" Howitzer Artillery Guns From China

Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf had reportedly disclosed to a top US diplomat that Islamabad had created a minuscule nuclear warhead in the latter half of 2011. Such a warhead, if fitted in a 155 mm shell with a stated range of 53 km, could be devastating for cities close to the Pakistan border.

Though India and Pakistan had signed a ceasefire which has largely been followed by both sides, India accuses the Pakistani army of supporting militants wanting to infiltrate and incite violence in Jammu and Kashmir.
Beijing is also supplying Pakistan with NORINCO AR-1 300 mm multi-barrel rocket launchers. The overall contract value is estimated to be around $512 million, stated Hindustan Times.

This development comes shortly after Pakistan inducted the largest and most advanced stealth frigate acquired from China, named PNS Tughril as previously reported by the EurAsian Times.

It could be believed that the objective behind this shipment is to increase Pakistani army firepower along the western border, particularly to heat up the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir which could further lead to the current truce breaking down.

China has itself been embroiled in a border conflict with India along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) which is in its second winter now.

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India has also acquired American ultra-light M777 Howitzers – Wikipedia

Pakistan’s SH-15 and Indian K9 Vajra Howitzer

The SH15 is a Chinese-made wheeled self-propelled howitzer with a front-mounted armored cabin and a rear-mounted 155 mm gun-howitzer. Small weapons fire and artillery shell splinters are not a problem for this new howitzer. The front of the crew cab includes two massive bulletproof glasses and each side has two doors.

With conventional ammo, the SH15 has a maximum range of 20 kilometers and 53 kilometers with a rocket-assisted artillery projectile. A crew of five people may operate this artillery truck. The vehicle will have a maximum weight of 22 tons, according to military officials.

A computerized fire control system, as well as navigation, location, and targeting systems, are installed on the SH-15. The artillery command vehicle provides target information to the vehicle. For self-defense, a 12.7 mm heavy machine gun can be installed on the roof.

This artillery system is extremely mobile and can deploy across vast distances on its own. Most medium cargo planes can transport it. It is light enough to be transported by a Y-9 or comparable military transport aircraft, giving it a more versatile alternative for expanding rapid response teams.

The South-Korean K-9 Vajra, on the other hand, is also a mobile howitzer like the SH-15 but appears like a Tank and is considered one of the most powerful howitzers in the world today.

It has its own propulsion system for traveling towards its firing station and can shell enemy locations from afar. A K9 Vajra can shoot shells over 50 kilometers and weighs 50 tons.
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K9 VAJRA 155mm/52 caliber Tracked Self-Propelled Howitzer flagged off by India’s CoAS
An automatic loading system loads the projectiles into the ammunition tray, and they are ready to fire. The K9 Thunder can shoot within 30 seconds while in standby mode, or 60 seconds while moving.

All-welded steel armor protects the K-9’s crew from 14.5 mm armor-piercing bullets, 152 mm shell fragments, and anti-personnel mines, as well as offering extensive nuclear, biological, and chemical protection.
The Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact (MRSI) mode allows the K9 to fire its ammunition (Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact). The K9 can fire three shells in less than 15 seconds in MRSI mode — one every 5 seconds — each with a distinct trajectory so that they all reach their target at the same time.

China’s Power Move Against India

The provision of conventional weapon systems, fighter aircraft, destroyers, and even the willingness to provide the DF-17 hypersonic missile to counter India’s most recent acquisition, the S-400 air defense system, are all part of Beijing’s long-term strategy to keep Rawalpindi GHQ in a state of perpetual confrontation with India, according to Hindustan Times.
This tactic has already paid off for the Chinese dictatorship, as it pushes India to maintain vigilance on its western border with a power that punches far above its weight in international fora, as well as in military and nuclear parity.

In order to keep Pakistan under its wing for strategic reasons and to gain access to the Arabian Sea, China has constantly supplied arms to Rawalpindi.

It frequently supports Pakistan in the UN over Kashmir and vetoes any attempt by the UN Security Council to label known pan-Islamic extremist groups or their leaders as terrorists.

 

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For years I can't seem to get my head round to these attacks and our response. Why our air force or army aviation or drones don't help the posts under attack and those attacks certainly do lasts for hours most of the time as our boys do up the resistance. Please don't tell me close air support or drones can't help and that's a bull crap. Surely they must be telling their higher ups when under attack, so what's the local commanding officers responses are? Am watching the PSL, don't disturb me now and ring me latter as am watching the Indian movie and romantic scene is on or yeah Allah ko munzoor thah hum Uglay jahan meih millangah? Someone needs to be answerable to our criminal response or Army is like the Lahore High court above the scrutiny of the land.
Why we have spend so much money on acquiring those drones if we don't want to put them to the good use or we are concerned about their paint jobs. Surely we have got enough drones by now that we can keep a pair in the sky 24/7.
I think before we lay blame we will need to see each attack in isolation. What was done in response? Length of attack . Availability of assets nearby. Available expertise. I agree we have to improve our response to attacks but if this was a brief attack then not much can be done. We have recently celebrated the loss of TTP/BLA assets and I was cautioning people not to celebrate as there will be retaliation. We look at scenarios based on what information is available but do we have ALL the info.
Iam not downplaying your concerns but asking for a more pcomprehensive review of the situation.
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This is stupid Indian BS.
Pakistan has always been able to punch above it's so-called weight, since independence 75 years ago. When it fought a year long war and held off an enemy 11 times bigger without a fully functioning army, without money and without its share of weapon supplies.

Also, fought the 1965 and 1971 wars under full sanctions.

The entire Indian weapon base is imported, so it's ok for them to import weapons to meet their needs, it is never against Pakistan. But soon as Pakistan imports something, it's always presented as anti India, stupid moronic thinking.

Pakistan always has and will continue to do what is required for it's defence. Now, that China is truly in a position to partner with Pakistan, why shouldn't Pakistan benefit from the success of a historical ally and friend.
They always do. Indians still believe that China stole their UNSC permanent seat.They forget that in 1945 India was a colony of the British Empire. India is not even qualified to enter UN. :meeting:
 

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China has a requirement for it to be light and easy transport while not lacking firepower in terms of calibre. SH-15 is designed to be fire and retreat weapon. Mobility is the key for this weapon. The full auto, full armour is not our doctrine. Not becos we can't build it but not expense at weight , reduced mobility.

The rise of advance arty radar and drone is a big threat to artillery position. Static vulnerable targets like tow artillery can be easily countered by enemy arty or drone strike. China has picked rapid changing position and high mobility for arty to be key in defeating enemy.
Sh-15 is a budget saving artillery, so that army of both China, Pakistan and many other countries can purchase in bulk.
SH-15 is one of lightest, while keep the accuracy, performance, mobility, easy to use and maintain.

India buy 1 K-9, Pakistan can buy 3 Sh-15. There is no way 1 K-9 can beat 2 Sh-15.

Lower cost is very important for Pakistan to counterbalance India because India always has bigger budget.
 

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Its a means to ease the pain of the last 1000 years.... Muslas 1st ruled then cut Bharat matha right in the middle, TThat is not something to forget easy.
Real pain over some delusionary concept of a 'united Bharat Mata' and its imaginary 'division down the middle' - that requires some special in-patient psychiatric care.
 
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China supplies mounted howitzers to Pakistan to maintain arms parity with India​

Over the past decades, Pakistan has been able to punch far beyond its weight category with China doing the heavy lifting against India, be it in arms supply or in multilateral arms control regimes.

Published on Jan 27, 2022 11:05 AM IST
ByShishir Gupta, Hindustan Times, New Delhi

In a move that ensures that Pakistan continues to remain locked up in confrontation with India, Islamabad has received first batch of Chinese manufactured vehicle mounted howitzers to counter the Indian K-9 Vajra howitzers. Beijing is also supplying NORINCO AR-1 300 mm multi barrel rocket launchers to Rawalpindi so that the Pakistan Army has a reply to Indian rocket launchers. The total contract worth is around USD 512 million.

The supply of conventional weapon systems, fighter aircraft, destroyers and even the inclination to give DF-17 hypersonic missile to counter India’s latest acquisition, the S-400 air defence system, are all part of Beijing long strategy to keep Rawalpindi GHQ in a state of permanent confrontation with India. This strategy has paid dividends to Beijing regime in the past as forces India to remain alert on its western border with a power that boxes much above its weight category due to heavy lift from China, be it in international fora or in military or nuclear parity. The role played by Beijing in developing Pakistan into a nuclear state along with the covert supply of delivery systems since 1990s is all well documented.

According to reports, Pakistan in 2019 signed a contract with Chinese arms major NORINCO to supply 236 SH-15 155 mm vehicle mounted howitzers apart from AR-1 heavy rocket launchers. In addition to artillery, the contract also includes supply and technology transfer for various ammunition including extended range artillery shells and guided artillery shells with the range of 53 kilometers. Clearly, this supply is to boost the firepower of Pakistan army all along the western border, specially to heat up the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir in case the existing ceasefire breaks down or to send a message on Kashmir.

The reported supply of DF-17 mobile, solid fueled medium range ballistic missile by China to Pakistan is to pump up Rawalpindi’s ballistic missile system as the hypersonic missile is difficult to track by most existing radars and equally difficult to engage by existing surface to air missile systems including S-400 system. Mounted on a hypersonic glide vehicle, the DF-17 is said to have a combination of maneuverability and high speed that poses significant challenges to conventional missile defence. China has tested the DF-17 missile at least nine times since 2014 and is said to have 1950 km range with a speed of at least five times that of sound or Mach 5.

While India also tested its scramjet powered Hypersonic Technology Demonstrator Cruise Vehicle (HSTDV) on September 7, 2020 for launch of hypersonic missiles, the Chinese supply will clearly force Defence Research and Development Organization to speed up the indigenous project.

Keeping Pakistan under its wing for strategic purposes and reach to Arabian Sea, China has not only supplied arms to Rawalpindi but has played a spoiler to India’s entry into Nuclear Suppliers Group and has gone to the extent of trying innocent Indians working in Afghanistan listed as global terrorists before the 1267 committee. It routinely sides with Pakistan in the UN over Kashmir and vetoes any attempt to list known pan-Islamic jihadi groups or their leaders as terrorists by the UNSC.


An Indian source that will not link everything for parity with India, is next to impossible. It will be better to rely upon more credible news article and utilize the existing thread.
 

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Sh-15 is a budget saving artillery, so that army of both China, Pakistan and many other countries can purchase in bulk.
SH-15 is one of lightest, while keep the accuracy, performance, mobility, easy to use and maintain.

India buy 1 K-9, Pakistan can buy 3 Sh-15. There is no way 1 K-9 can beat 2 Sh-15.

Lower cost is very important for Pakistan to counterbalance India because India always has bigger budget.
Truck guns and self-propelled artillery are two different systems and cannot be replaced by each other. With both artillery and wheeled trucks, truck guns are powerful and mobile in combat, and do not have too many requirements for the battlefield. The automatic positioning and orientation system on the truck gives the truck gun autonomy, it can stop and fight on the battlefield, and run as soon as it is finished, and the road surface speed can reach 90 kilometers per hour. In addition, truck guns do not have high requirements for artillery, which can be universal, so the cost is very low. Its biggest deficiency is that the truck can not cross the country, and the defense capability is poor. Self-propelled artillery does a good job in firepower and frontal defense, so it is safer than truck guns on the battlefield, and it has cross-country capability, and it can follow armored clusters in the field, but even on paved roads, it can only reach a speed of 50 kilometers per hour. Heavy. The truck gun must go through relatively good road conditions, and the self-propelled gun can make a highly integrated system with strong performance, but with relatively high cost, it can be loaded automatically. Truck guns are cheap and suitable for a large number of equipment. Guns and ammunition are separate and can only be loaded semi-automatically. On the one hand, truck guns and self-propelled artillery have their own advantages in performance, and the army will choose more suitable equipment to carry out tasks in different combat environments. On the other hand, truck guns can also be matched with self-propelled artillery to make up for each other's shortcomings.
PLA ALSO has new plz05 gun,

4 rounds in 15 seconds burst firing, and can all rounds at one same target

 

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10 young men sacrificed while we celebrate buying a new gun.
Even a million guns cant replace those men who fought these indian fuk puppets for hours while people back at the HQ sat on their asses doing nothing.
It's being discussed for the living, just as Doctors and Nurses go and celebrate Eid / new year / <enter other religious holiday> at an Hospital after telling a family earlier that their loved one has departed. Living must go on living, that is human nature and needed else we all be at each others throats.
 

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Truck guns and self-propelled artillery are two different systems and cannot be replaced by each other. With both artillery and wheeled trucks, truck guns are powerful and mobile in combat, and do not have too many requirements for the battlefield. The automatic positioning and orientation system on the truck gives the truck gun autonomy, it can stop and fight on the battlefield, and run as soon as it is finished, and the road surface speed can reach 90 kilometers per hour. In addition, truck guns do not have high requirements for artillery, which can be universal, so the cost is very low. Its biggest deficiency is that the truck can not cross the country, and the defense capability is poor. Self-propelled artillery does a good job in firepower and frontal defense, so it is safer than truck guns on the battlefield, and it has cross-country capability, and it can follow armored clusters in the field, but even on paved roads, it can only reach a speed of 50 kilometers per hour. Heavy. The truck gun must go through relatively good road conditions, and the self-propelled gun can make a highly integrated system with strong performance, but with relatively high cost, it can be loaded automatically. Truck guns are cheap and suitable for a large number of equipment. Guns and ammunition are separate and can only be loaded semi-automatically. On the one hand, truck guns and self-propelled artillery have their own advantages in performance, and the army will choose more suitable equipment to carry out tasks in different combat environments. On the other hand, truck guns can also be matched with self-propelled artillery to make up for each other's shortcomings.
PLA ALSO has new plz05 gun,

4 rounds in 15 seconds burst firing, and can all rounds at one same target

I dont think Truck artillery will be too limited to just roads only. China has deploy them to mountain and LAC area. Track SPH will definitely has much superior off road capabilities. But wheel is not really that bad for off road.
 

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I dont think Truck artillery will be too limited to just roads only. China has deploy them to mountain and LAC area. Track SPH will definitely has much superior off road capabilities. But wheel is not really that bad for off road.
Yes, SH-15 actually has great off road cross-country capability, I would say much better than most 4 wheel drive vehicle like jeep and land rover. Various videos have shown SH-15 moving with speed off roads in deserts and Tibet highlands near LAC.
 

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Google translate of Chinese wikipedia.

The Type 181 vehicle-mounted gun is a specially developed vehicle-mounted 155 mm howitzer, which was developed by Nanjing University of Science and Technology. The vehicle weighs 25 tons[1] and uses the same 52-caliber 155 mm gun as the PLZ-05 self-propelled howitzer, and the hull is a 6-wheel high-mobility off-road chassis developed by The China Aerospace Science and Technology Wanshan Special Vehicle. The "flat-headed" structure cab has a groove in the middle of the top to accommodate the gun body in marching condition. The group of six formed an artillery squad. In addition to artillery, the entire weapon system also includes command vehicles, reconnaissance vehicles, weather radars, and reconnaissance radars.

The gun and the chassis adopt an integrated design, the gun is directly mounted on the chassis frame, the 155 caliber gun is partly borne by the girder of the chassis, carrying the gun's own weight and when the gun is fired, transmitte the load to the ground, the vehicle-mounted gun chassis adopts a specially designed adjustable hydraulic oil and gas suspension system, through the hydraulic oil and gas suspension, the height is lowered, the firing load is transmitted from the girder through the tire and the station hoe to the ground, improving the shooting stability, and also has the ability to directly aim at the shooting within the left and right shooting boundaries, and can also reduce the height of the fire line. It is convenient for the members of the artillery squad to operate the artillery on the ground. [2] Increased chassis height for off-road maneuvering to improve passing capability.

The Type 181 vehicle-mounted gun has a semi-automatic loading system, located on the right side of the tail, and the members of the artillery squad load the shells and the launcher cartridges on the support plate and align the gun chamber with the automatic push of the ammunition into the chamber by the ammunition delivery device, and the continuous rate of fire reaches 6 to 8 rounds per minute. A variety of ammunition, including laser-guided artillery shells and terminal sensitive shells, can be used to effectively strike targets within 50-70 kilometers. Thirty ammunition storage barrels were arranged on each side of the middle of the hull, which could carry thirty shells each side and firing cartridges with the vehicle. [3]

The degree of informatization and automation of the Type 181 vehicle-mounted gun is very high, and the auxiliary hoe of the vehicle-mounted gun is fully automatic with the help of the hydraulic mechanism, and under normal circumstances, the members of the artillery squad do not have to dig the hoe pit, which not only reduces the burden of the gun squad members, but also is more conducive to the rapid attack and quick withdrawal. The operation can be divided into fully automatic, semi-automatic, and manual conditions as backup according to the degree of manual interference. The cockpit is equipped with a gun commander terminal with a fire control system, and the operation terminal can be connected to the artillery command network. Through the data link, satellite positioning system, fire control computer and servo mechanism to complete the automatic operation of the gun, quickly complete the angle of fire and direction of the assignment.

The Type 181 vehicle-mounted gun corresponds to the arms export model known as the SH-155 mm vehicle-mounted howitzer, and participated in the Pakistan IDEA 2018 Defense Exhibition in 2018[4], and in June 2019, Pakistan signed a contract with China North Industries for a total of $512 million to purchase 236 SH-15 vehicle-mounted howitzers.

181式车载炮是专门研制的车载155毫米加榴炮,由南理工作为总师单位展开研制。整车重25吨[1],采用与PLZ-05自行加榴炮相同的52倍径155毫米口径火炮,车体是由中国航天科工万山特种车辆研制的6轮高机动越野底盘。“平头”结构驾驶室正中顶部凹槽容纳行军状态的火炮炮身。车组六人组成炮兵班。整个武器系统除了火炮,还包括有指挥车、侦察车、气象雷达、侦校雷达等。

火炮与底盘采用一体化设计,火炮直接架设在底盘大架上,155口径火炮下架部分以底盘的大梁来承担,承载火炮自重并将火炮发射时的载荷传递到地面,车载炮底盘采用专门设计的可调式液压油气悬挂系统,通过液压油气悬挂下调高度,发射载荷由大梁经过轮胎和驻锄传递到地面,提高了射击稳定性,还具备了在左右一定射界内直瞄射击能力,还能降低火线高度,能方便炮班成员在地面操作火炮。[2] 在越野机动时可提高底盘高度提升通过能力。

181式车载炮拥有一套半自动装填系统,设在炮尾右侧,炮班成员将炮弹与发射药筒装到托弹盘上对准炮膛由输弹装置自动推弹入膛,持续射速达到6~8发每分钟。可使用包括激光制导炮弹、末敏弹等多种弹药,有效打击50-70千米内的目标。车体中部两侧各布置了三十个储弹筒,可随车携带三十发炮弹及发射药筒。[3]

181式车载炮信息化和自动化程度非常高,车载炮的助锄借助于液压机构收放全自动,通常情况下炮班成员可以不必挖助锄坑,不仅减轻了炮班成员的负担,更加有利于进行快打快撤。操作根据人工的干涉程度可以分为全自动、半自动,还有手动工况作为备份。驾驶舱室内装有火控系统的炮长终端,操作终端能够接入炮兵指挥网。通过数据链、卫星定位系统、火控计算机及伺服机构以完成自动操炮,快速完成射角和射向的赋予。

181式车载炮对应的军贸出口型号称为"SH-15型155毫米车载加榴炮",2018年参加了巴基斯坦IDEAS 2018防务展[4],2019年6月巴基斯坦与中国北方工业签署合同总价5.12亿美元采购了236门SH-15型车载加榴炮[5]
 

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According to arms contracts with China, Turkey and another country, Pakistan will get most, powerful, latest tech arms by the end of 2022.
Now Pakistan is superior to its eastern enemy and can beat Indians in air, sea and ground at all levels.
Pakistan Army...Zinda bad.
All Pakistani enemies go to hell.
 

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According to arms contracts with China, Turkey and another country, Pakistan will get most, powerful, latest tech arms by the end of 2022.
Now Pakistan is superior to its eastern enemy and can beat Indians in air, sea and ground at all levels.
Pakistan Army...Zinda bad.
All Pakistani enemies go to hell.
Source? And what tech?
 

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