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Serbians now are planning new Balkans wars by doubling their defense budget and making irredentist claims against their neighbors. We may see new regional wars, ethnic cleansing and genocides in the Balkans. Serbian Interior Minister Aleksandar Vulin wants to be next Slobodan Milosevic by starting war of Serbian expansion.


Serbian World — a dangerous idea?
July 27, 2021
Nikola Đorđević


Serbian Interior Minister Aleksandar Vulin has courted controversy with several statements about the so-called Serbian World, an idea that Serbs living in the Western Balkans should be part of the same political sphere.
What exactly is that Serbian World, and how does it fit into the political landscape of the Western Balkans, that is becoming increasingly strained by the continued failure of the Belgrade-Prishtina dialogue and by renewed calls for Republika Srpska to separate from Bosnia and Herzegovina?
According to Vulin, and the remarks he made during a rally of his Movement of Socialists (Pokret Socijalista), the task of the current political generation is to create that Serbian World which would unify all Serbs, no matter where they live.
Raising eyebrows
It’s not the first time Vulin has made such statements. Back in April, the interior minister seemed puzzled as to why the borders in the Balkans are unchangeable and why the Serbian national question couldn’t be solved by unifying all Serbs in a single state. Vulin has also compared the example of the peaceful unification of Germany with what Serbia could eventually do.
Harsh reactions from the region followed Vulin’s most recent statements. In Bosnia and Herzegovina, Foreign Minister Bisera Turković called for Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić to disassociate himself from Vulin’s ideas, saying that if he does not do that, he would confirm that Serbia’s policy is to topple the Dayton Peace Accords and to annex parts of Bosnia to Serbia.
From Kosovo, President Vjosa Osmani said Vulin is known for his “ultranationalist” beliefs and compared the idea of the Serbian World to that of Greater Serbia.
Greater Serbia is an irredentist political ideology that seeks to create a Serbs state that would unify all parts of Western Balkans that have been of historical significance to Serbia. For many historians and analysts, the ideology of Greater Serbia is one of the main causes of the breakup of Yugoslavia and the civil wars that happened between 1991 and 1999.
“The idea why a narrative of a Serbian World or a Greater Serbia is considered disturbing and a threat to stability and peace is because it has to do with the same narrative and concrete actions which were undertaken during the 1990s in the bloody wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo,” says Jeta Krasniqi of the Kosovo Democratic Institute. “It is a narrative that goes against peace and stability in the region and against respect for borders of the Western Balkans states.”
Emulating global powers?
However, Srđan Cvijić, Senior Policy Analyst at the Open Society European Policy Institute, says that the Serbian World is hardly a serious political project and is messaging meant to consume the ruling party votes (the Movement of Socialists is a part of the SNS-led coalition).
“For SNS [the Serbian Progressive Party] it’s important to simultaneously maintain their traditional voter body, the ex-radicals [SNS was formed via a split from the Vojislav Šešelj-led Radical Party in 2008] and the silent majority. When they are speaking of the Serbian World and in general when radical nationalism is flowing from their messaging, then they are speaking to the former,” he tells Emerging Europe.
“For the latter, there is a more moderate discourse. In that way, their policies are reminiscent of a tightrope walk,” he adds.
That there are more discourses going on at the same time was evidenced by Vučić’s own remarks when he was asked by foreign officials to distance himself from Vulin’s statements. He said that Serbia’s borders are inviolable and that official Belgrade is “not concerned” with the borders of others.

“The Serbian World idea looks like an attempt to imitate what more powerful states have been able to do, to mark off a part of the world as their ‘sphere of interest’ and declare that they have the principal role in directing policy in that region,” notes Eric Gordy, professor at the UCL School of Slavonic and East European Studies.
The Serbian World idea may never become an official state policy. Still, analysts do warn of the dangers of such remarks and the threat they pose to regional cooperation and stability.
“The rhetoric that creates additional tension and division in an already tense situation in the region ahead of the finalisation of the Belgrade-Prishtina dialogue, does not contribute to creating lasting peace and long-term stability,” says Zijad Bećirović, director of the Ljubljana-based International Institute for Middle Eastern and Balkan Studies (IFIMES).
The Kosovo Democratic Institute’s Krasniqi agrees that the idea of the Serbian World is politically dangerous.
“It is a narrative that goes against peace and stability in the region and against respect for borders of the Western Balkans states. This rhetoric is dangerous, and it should be condemned by all international actors who aim to push for peace, stability and reconciliation in the region,” she tells Emerging Europe.
Too infirm to rise?
When it comes to Serbia-led initiatives in recent years, none has been quite as prominent as the idea of the Mini-Schengen, a planned economic zone connecting the six Western Balkan nations. Could talks of redrawing borders, expressed in the few phantom non-papers, and through the Serbian World idea jeopardise it?
Bećirović believes that for Mini-Schengen to work, the tensions in the region need to die down.
“Mini-Schengen is a project that should ensure long-term prosperity and for its realisation, it is necessary to pacify the situation in the region,” he explains.
Mini-Schengen also remains Serbia’s best chance to be an actual regional leader.
“Since the end of the colonial period, only a few states have succeeded in projecting this [sphere of interest] claim — the United States, Russia, and more recently China. Given the limits on its power and the ways in which it is challenged, Serbia is not likely to get far in asserting this kind of authority,” he concludes.





Yes, I am from Bosnia, and serbia has been bringing the old rhetoric to the masses, especially their puppet Bosnian serbs who were always used by Serbia to acheive their goals, they failed last time but are trying to create a "greater serbia" again but through different means and different terminology. The leader of republika srpska (an entity in Bosnia) has pulled all Bosnian serbs from the government of Bosnia in Sarajevo, already is taking steps to give the rs autonomy within Bosnia by returing their army, and other institutions that they lost over the last two decades. This will lead to war. Bosniaks will not allow it, and Bosnian serbs are steadfast to do this, so if the international community does not act in time, then there will be war 100%.
Their population is tiny and hasn't just nose dived over the last 20 years, but has also aged a great deal. There is no way they can pose such a challenge ever again.


The population decline is considered a national emergency by the Serbian government, who enlisted the help of the United Nations to try and slow the shrinking.








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They'll likely disappear more than anything else.

Yes but out of 6.9 million in Serbia, not all are serbs, they have 200,000 Hungarians, 200,000 Bosniaks, 90,000 Croats, etc. Actualy ethnic Serbs in Serbia are 80% so 5.7 million actual Serbs,
 

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The lands of modern republika srpska (this republic never existed and was officially recognized in 1995) prior to the war were ethnically mixed with 90% of all towns, cities and municipalities on the Drina river (border with serbia) were majority Bosniak. Overall, the entity prior to the war was over 50% non serb.
Of course Republika Srpska didn't exist before the war.

As we know, serbs committed a genocide against Bosniaks to make this land purely serb. However, it is still part of Bosnia, they lost in trying to exit Bosnia or join Serbia.
Let's not go there because it's a big discussion and it will derail the whole thread.

Furthermore, the serbs lost 30,000 soldiers in ALL wars (croatia, bosnia, kosovo) 22,000 of which were on Bosnia, therefore, 70% of serb military fatalities were fighting against the Bosniaks (Army of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina).
Well they fought against Croats too. And you fought against Croats too,during the Croat-Bosniak War phase.

The whole notion of "serbs living in one space" implies that other non-serb peoples don't exist. Also, serbs are a minority in bosnia of 30% and in croatia 7% and in kosovo 6%, so again, the whole narrative from serbia even back in the 1990s was to ignore other peoples and their rights, and just claim that if serbs live there it is serbia. Totally absurd.
Well the whole thing goes back to the breakup of Yugoslavia. The Croats left,but they had a significant minority of Serbs who didn't want to live under the Croats.

When Izetbegovic declared BiH independent,the majority of the Serbs who lived there wanted to remain in Yugoslavia. That's why they created the Republika Srpska.

Back in the early '90s the Yugoslav constitution considered it illegal for a republic to leave the Federation. But they did. And now Republika Srpska is thinking of leaving BiH and joining Serbia.

Okay, so if serbia retakes kosovo where 1.8 million Albanian Muslims live, what will that do the the serbian social fabric? Suddenly serbia will go from 6.9 million to 8.7 with 23% Albanian Muslims , not only would this make serbia multilingual but also their Muslim population would be 30+% given that 200,000 Bosniaks live in Serbia as well as other Muslims.
Now if they take Kosovo back,they will have to accept the Albanian population there or evict them. The problem is that most of the Serbs who lived there,have been forced to leave,were murdered or left on their own. So it's a problem,like you said.
 

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When South Slavic people have created the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes after WW1 they thought they will live together forever. After WW2 the state became Yugoslavia and internal borders were setup mostly due to economic reasons not ethnic ones. After the dissolution of Yugoslavia every nation have freedom to reunite in single national state. Serbs, for sure, have this right, too. But I am very doubt they will start a war. Serbia is one of the few remaining independent states in Europe, not subject of USA or EU. Of course, those two will depict Serbians as evil force.
 
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Of course Republika Srpska didn't exist before the war.


Let's not go there because it's a big discussion and it will derail the whole thread.


Well they fought against Croats too. And you fought against Croats too,during the Croat-Bosniak War phase.


Well the whole thing goes back to the breakup of Yugoslavia. The Croats left,but they had a significant minority of Serbs who didn't want to live under the Croats.

When Izetbegovic declared BiH independent,the majority of the Serbs who lived there wanted to remain in Yugoslavia. That's why they created the Republika Srpska.

Back in the early '90s the Yugoslav constitution considered it illegal for a republic to leave the Federation. But they did. And now Republika Srpska is thinking of leaving BiH and joining Serbia.



Now if they take Kosovo back,they will have to accept the Albanian population there or evict them. The problem is that most of the Serbs who lived there,have been forced to leave,were murdered or left on their own. So it's a problem,like you said.

Yes, the Bosnian serbs did fight to Croats too (Bosnian Croats in HVO units), however, HVO also fought the ARBIH and lost every battle hence why they signed the Washington agreement where the Bosnian Croats lost rights to their entity.

In the Republic of Croatia serbs were 10%, a national minority, they refused central governance in Zagreb and used brute force to occupy 35% of Croatian lands which ultimately led to all serb loses and today they are non-existent in Croatia.

Also, in Yugoslavia, it was a federal system, laws were broken to leave yugoslavia, yes, but serbs tried to dominate yugoslavia even though they were a minority in yugoslavia to everyone left first slovenia, then croatia then macedonia and finally bosnia left.
Compating the republika srpska to the republics in yugoslavia hold no legal merit. The constitution of Bosnia is different than the constitution of Yugoslavia, and with it carry different consequences.

90% of battles of bosnian serbs were against Bosniaks, this is where serbs as a whole in the balkans lost most of their men, battles and equipment.

Please do tell, what rights does belgrade have to "reunify" with lands west of the drina river? Even prior to the ottmans (10th century to 14 century) serbs never ruled lands west of the drina river.
When South Slavic people have created the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes after WW1 they thought they will live together forever. After WW2 the state became Yugoslavia and internal borders were setup mostly due to economic reasons not ethnic ones. After the dissolution of Yugoslavia every nation have freedom to reunite in single national state. Serbs, for sure, have this right, too. But I am very doubt they will start a war. Serbia is one of the few remaining independent states in Europe, not subject of USA or EU. Of course, those two will depict Serbians as evil force.

Why do you think that the kingdom of yugoslavia was to last forever? Yugoslavia never existed before 1918, and the kingdom only lasted a couple of decades? The kingdom also ignored Bosniaks as a people, Albanians and others, so it was doomed to fail. The communist Yugoslavia had borders not because of economic reason but because of the congress of berlin in the 19th century which defined the Croatian, Slovenian and Bosnian, Serbian borders and this was used by Tito to create the republics. Mind you, Bosnian borders today are the same as the borders in the Austro-hungarian empire and similar to the borders of the Bosnian Vilayet in the Ottoman empire which lasted for 400 years.

The serbs have no right to take Bosnian lands, they failed in the last war and they will fail again today. Russia can't do anything about that.
 
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Borders of the Balkans after the Berlin Conference of 1878.
^^ The only difference is that serbia received "Vojvodina" as an autonomous region. Even today Vojvodina may leave Serbia, unlikely, but there are many calls from Hungarians in Vojvodina to leave. Macedonia was the only country TITO created after WW2 but Bosnian borders were unchanged.
 

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Also, in Yugoslavia, it was a federal system, laws were broken to leave yugoslavia, yes, but serbs tried to dominate yugoslavia even though they were a minority in yugoslavia to everyone left first slovenia, then croatia then macedonia and finally bosnia left.
Compating the republika srpska to the republics in yugoslavia hold no legal merit. The constitution of Bosnia is different than the constitution of Yugoslavia, and with it carry different consequences.
I'm not saying leaving Yugoslavia was wrong and I'm not saying it was right. But if Bosniaks can leave the Federation and Albanians can declare independence from being an autonomous region within Serbia,then RS has the right to unite with Serbia proper.

As for Krajina,the Serbs didn't want to live under Croatian authority especially after what they went through under the Croats in WWII. The areas RSK was made of were the predominantly Serb-populated areas,in their majority at least. They set up the blockades and rebelled. Now like you said,there is nothing to unite with that part.
 

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The Roma people of Serbia have younger demographics and now they have more employment opportunities but mostly in unskilled jobs.

The difference bro you have economies of scale via numbers. Small change can create trends which can reverse current projections.
You can't do much with 9 million people, most of whom are old, the average age is 41.6 years old.....Yikes. As they say the last person should turn the lights out.
 

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As long as US troops are in Kosovo, the Serbs won’t to anything. They will bode their time to try to get into the EU and try to get foreign troops to leave before they try anything.
 

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Serbs have deep anti Muslim hate. Even ones living in US. It shows.

Disagree , drove a serbian girl in uber , she was very nice. Talk about Bosnian girls--- disgusting attitude. Similarly picked up an armenian girl , was very nice , talk about Turkish girl or arab girls dont even have words - rudeness at peak.
 

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then work on fixing the country if theres corruption instead of fleeing to these countries, running to Bosnia won’t make Pakistan a better country. Less opportunities for Poor people because of lack of education and jobs, why not stay and fix those issues Instead. They don’t NEED to open immigration for Muslims, and I’ll support them full heartedly if they don’t, it’s the same for pakistan, they don’t NEED to open immigration for afghans or anyone just because they are Muslims.
Have you watched Sare Aam? There are many programs like that. Did anything got fixed? Quota system for Mohajirs in education and employment?Did anyone fixed that? Pakistan is unfixable.
I wasn’t talking about Making Pakistan better. A country who’s economy dependent on Remittances from overseas Pakistan.
I am talking about the opportunities for poor in Muslim countries. European countries had Free education for children, government support for less fortunate people, social system that works, job opportunities in Europe countries.
As far as Pakistan is concerned, only way to fix it is either have leader like Moa or 30 years of MarshalLawPlus plan.

Haven’t you watched sare aam Sare Aam and many programs like that. Did anything got fixed?
 
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Loooots of atheists!

No it's because of Hoxha's communist rule. It was brutal and stricter than in other neighboring communist countries. At some point the authorities even wanted to ban Christian and Muslim names for babies.
Not really the Albanians aren’t Muslim by the nature even before the communist rule they used to go to mosque on Friday and go to church on Sunday.

despite the fact Albania has been Christian for long time religion was never in their DNA unlike the Baltic countries who were the last to convert to the Abrahamic cults and the first to leave the Abrahamic cults and return to paganism.
 

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Yes, I am from Bosnia, and serbia has been bringing the old rhetoric to the masses, especially their puppet Bosnian serbs who were always used by Serbia to acheive their goals, they failed last time but are trying to create a "greater serbia" again but through different means and different terminology. The leader of republika srpska (an entity in Bosnia) has pulled all Bosnian serbs from the government of Bosnia in Sarajevo, already is taking steps to give the rs autonomy within Bosnia by returing their army, and other institutions that they lost over the last two decades. This will lead to war. Bosniaks will not allow it, and Bosnian serbs are steadfast to do this, so if the international community does not act in time, then there will be war 100%.
Why do you write Serbia, Serbs and Republika Srpska with small letters? :) Serbs wanting to live in their own country is the most normal thing in the world. Stop your hate and stop demonizing that. Bosnia is a complete mess, that dosent work at all, you know it, everyone in the Balkans knows it, even your friend in the West knows it. The discrimination against the Serbs must end and they should be free to make their choice like the Albanians did.

Borders of the Balkans after the Berlin Conference of 1878.
Macedonia was the only country TITO created after WW2 but Bosnian borders were unchanged.
Yea, geographically, thats not a demographic map, it dosent mean that Bosnia was a country or something. Here, enjoy a real map from the time.

 

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I'm not saying leaving Yugoslavia was wrong and I'm not saying it was right. But if Bosniaks can leave the Federation and Albanians can declare independence from being an autonomous region within Serbia,then RS has the right to unite with Serbia proper.

As for Krajina,the Serbs didn't want to live under Croatian authority especially after what they went through under the Croats in WWII. The areas RSK was made of were the predominantly Serb-populated areas,in their majority at least. They set up the blockades and rebelled. Now like you said,there is nothing to unite with that part.
I see your point, however, the republika srpska was created on the basis of brute force through methods of ethnic cleansing and genocide, therefore, the legality of republika srpsk's existence is not credible, it implies that brute force gets rewarded. So Hungarians can do the same in Romania and receive legitimacy or Hungarians in Slovakia, or the Turks in Bulgaria, all of them, according to some, can use force to create their ethnic enclaves and receive legitimacy?

Kosovo was not created like this neither were the former republics of the SFRJ.

Also, I understand that the serbs did not want to live under croats, but they received all their rights as a national minority. They didn't want that and pursued violence. So you're saying all national minorities of 10-20% can simply use brute force to ignore the central government? If that is the case then we will see violence all over the world. What makes serbs special? I guess they are immune to the standards?
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Here is an example of Bosnia in 1991, as you can see, the country mixed, so serbs do not have exclusive rights to the land, neither do bosniaks or croats,. The only way is to have Bosnia be a multi-ethnic republic.
 

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Why do you write Serbia, Serbs and Republika Srpska with small letters? :) Serbs wanting to live in their own country is the most normal thing in the world. Stop your hate and stop demonizing that. Bosnia is a complete mess, that dosent work at all, you know it, everyone in the Balkans knows it, even your friend in the West knows it. The discrimination against the Serbs must end and they should be free to make their choice like the Albanians did.


Yea, geographically, thats not a demographic map, it dosent mean that Bosnia was a country or something. Here, enjoy a real map from the time.

Given my map from above, serbs do not have exclusive rights to the land west of the drina river, they have the republika srpska today which was created through brute force. I do not hate serbs but I hate the nationalists that ruined Bosnia in 1992, and caused all of the wars.

No, repbulika srpska will not secede. I remember in 1992, many bulgarians came as mercenaries, my buddy's unit ambushed them and found 7 dead bulgarians and over 10+ others such as romanians, russians and others that came.

Let me tell you man, rs will never leave Bosnia. In the Bosnian constitution, rs is a multiethnic entity, today despite the genocide there is a 20% non serb population. In addition, there are 100s of thousands of bosniaks that own land in rs, have houses, apartments and businesses, any succession is impossible.
Why do you write Serbia, Serbs and Republika Srpska with small letters? :) Serbs wanting to live in their own country is the most normal thing in the world. Stop your hate and stop demonizing that. Bosnia is a complete mess, that dosent work at all, you know it, everyone in the Balkans knows it, even your friend in the West knows it. The discrimination against the Serbs must end and they should be free to make their choice like the Albanians did.


Yea, geographically, thats not a demographic map, it dosent mean that Bosnia was a country or something. Here, enjoy a real map from the time.

HAHA this map made by the French is as credible as french fries being french LOL.
Also for my friend Nevsky that says Bosnia barely functions.

Look at it this way, Bulgaria has been in the EU 15 years, and had no wars. Yet, their standard of living is roughly the same with Bulgarian salaries being 15% higher than Bosnia. Fix Bulgaria first my man, it is the worst country in EU due to corruption, human trafficking and other problems. Focus on yourselves.
 
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