• Friday, July 19, 2019

Serbian M-84AB1 main battle tank offers same protection and fire power as Russian T-90 MBT

Discussion in 'Land Warfare' started by Zarvan, Jun 25, 2015.

  1. Zarvan

    Zarvan ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    47,448
    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2011
    Ratings:
    +84 / 48,972 / -13
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Pakistan
    The M-84AB1, the latest upgrade of M-84 MBT (Main Battle Tank) series in service with the Serbian armed forces offer the same level of protection and fire power as the Russian-made main battle tank T-90. The M-84AB1 is fitted with active optoelectronic protection system - SOFTKILL, based on integration of laser detection device, radar detection device and smoke grenade launcher with efficient smoke grenade in the visible spectrum, IR, thermal and milimeter radar spectra.

    1435187168173.jpg

    M-84AB1 main battle tank at Partner 2015 defense exhibition in Belgrade, Serbia.



    Model M-84 AB1 represents the last - the actual variant of modern combat tank which development is based on the modification and modernization of the basic version M-84 i.e. M-84 AB.



    The upgrade has improved a main tank performance parameters: fire power, protection and maneuverability, as well as has improved tank combat readiness and reliability and gives a new features and performances regarding possibility for MBT integration in to modern network-centric battlefield.

    The main armament of the M-84AB1 consists of an improved 125-mm smoothbore gun which uses a carousel automatic loader. Second armament includes one Remotely Controlled Weapon Station armed with a 7.62mm machine gun.

    The M-84AB1 is equipped with a new fire control system (FCS) which enables rapid preparation for fire engagement, high accuracy in range measurement and high first round kill probability either in motion or standstill, both day and night. The new FCS solution enables the commander to take the gunner’s role in case of emergency and to fire at selected targets.

    Standard armour of the M-84AB1 includes explosive-reactive armor of second generation providing far better protection against heat and subcaliber projectiles.

    1435187192097.jpg

    Details view of the turret with the Shtora on the left and the UORZ on the right.



    To increase its self-protection, the M-84AB1 is fitted with the Shtora, an electro-optical active protection system designed to disrupt the laser target designation and rangefinders of incoming anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs).

    The M-84AB1 is also equipped with the UORZ, an advanced digital broadband band radar warning receiver which automatically detects, identifies and alerts the crew to each threat. It determines the emitter’s direction and mode of operation such as search, track and missile guidance. As a part of a threat warning system, it is central hub for integrating other Electronic Warfare (EW) sensors and countermeasures.

    Serbian M-84AB1 main battle tank offers same protection and fire power as Russian T-90 MBT 12306156 | Partner 2015 News Online Show Daily Coverage | Defence security military exhibition 2015
    @Horus @Dazzler @fatman17 @nair @OrionHunter @GURU DUTT @SpArK @doppelganger @Manticore
     
  2. C130

    C130 ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    8,095
    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2014
    Ratings:
    +4 / 7,358 / -5
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States
    T-72 and it's derivatives are deathtraps. russia makes good ATGM to destroy it's weak tanks.

    konkurs,metis-m,kornet. and it's RPGs

    Russia has already developed a RPG to counter APS.

     
  3. FNFAL

    FNFAL FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    1,479
    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2010
    Ratings:
    +0 / 964 / -2
    Country:
    India
    Location:
    India
    IIRC even the usa forbade the iraqi army to procur rpg29 vampirs in view of its lethality against M1 abhrams.
     
  4. C130

    C130 ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    8,095
    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2014
    Ratings:
    +4 / 7,358 / -5
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States

    RPG 29 is strong against a weak tank and a weak crew, and it's also strong against a strong tank and weak crew.

    RPG-29 would not be as effective against an Abrams and U.S ground forces, but against Iraqi military which lacks leadership and training that could easily could get within 50 meters of an Abrams and hit it in it's weak spot.

    the banning of RPG-29 was more for the sake of the Iraqi forces than our fear of it, and as we all seen Iraqi forces abandon their weapons without destroying them.

    no tank is invincible even T-14.


    RPG-29 penetrated the front of a Challenger 2 but it wasn't a catastrophic kill like it would of been against a T-72/T90




    penetrated it's butt through the engine and hit the ammo carousel. what a major design flaw, and it even caused the main gun to go off and smoke like a chimney, lol


    if you want a tank buy west or Chinese.
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2015
  5. birju

    birju FULL MEMBER

    New Recruit

    Messages:
    65
    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2014
    Ratings:
    +0 / 49 / -0
    Country:
    Argentina
    Location:
    Gabon
    Even the latest Chinese tank is a copy of a Russian design.
     
  6. C130

    C130 ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    8,095
    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2014
    Ratings:
    +4 / 7,358 / -5
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States


    in what way :eek:

    [​IMG]


    maybe the chassis is, but the turret electronics,gun, and ammo is all chinese
     
  7. FNFAL

    FNFAL FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    1,479
    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2010
    Ratings:
    +0 / 964 / -2
    Country:
    India
    Location:
    India
    true that. existing soviet/russian designs are a child of a different school of thought...crew survivability was later down the rung. Having said that the next thing being unmanned turrets for a lower silhouette & better crew protection..which reminds me..isnt the T14 quite high? :undecided:
     
  8. C130

    C130 ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    8,095
    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2014
    Ratings:
    +4 / 7,358 / -5
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States
    unmanned turret will make T-14 more safe for it's crew, but we still haven't seen it in action against ATGM.

    gotta think a top attack ATGM with pentreation over 800 would get all the way down where the crew is in the chassis.

    but I dunno. defiantly the future though
     
  9. DejanSRB

    DejanSRB FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    476
    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2013
    Ratings:
    +3 / 556 / -1
    Country:
    Serbia
    Location:
    Serbia
    In Gulf War (1990-1991), Kuwait M84 machines simply dominated Iraqi T72 in any areas. Kuwait generals once said that it is theirs "T-34". So I really believe in this conclusion, this tank is one of the best in third generation tanks.
     
  10. GURU DUTT

    GURU DUTT ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    14,350
    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2011
    Ratings:
    +7 / 20,091 / -74
    Country:
    India
    Location:
    India
    question is when i can afford to buy latest ferrari then why would i buy "something like a ferrari" ?
     
  11. Penguin

    Penguin PDF THINK TANK: ANALYST

    Messages:
    13,097
    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2009
    Ratings:
    +56 / 11,415 / -0
    In-hull carroussel autoloader for the 125mm > same principle (which some consider flawed) as all the newer Russian T-series (T-64, T-72, T-80, T-90) and their derivatives (foreign licence copies and improved versions thereof) unless refitted with a bustle loader (some Ukrainian developed variants).
     
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2015
  12. Echo_419

    Echo_419 ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    13,132
    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2012
    Ratings:
    +2 / 9,552 / -6
    Country:
    India
    Location:
    Canada
    The soviet didn't think much of crew survivability while building their tanks
     
  13. MilSpec

    MilSpec PDF THINK TANK: ANALYST

    Messages:
    12,052
    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2011
    Ratings:
    +42 / 21,930 / -4
    Country:
    India
    Location:
    United States
    Depends, especially when you need an entire fleet,
    your need for a ferrari,
    operating cost comparison of the Ferrari
    spares and stores for your Ferrari
    Quality of subsystems for the Ferrari,
    your capital and operating budget allocations for the ferrari.

    It's always good to have options. say If your requirement is a Mitsubishi EVO III, you don't really need to spend 8 times to get a ferrari.

    remember "wohi jhaag wohi safadi, agar kum daam me mile to koi yeh kyu le, wo na le, Nirma Super!!" ting tong
     
  14. Penguin

    Penguin PDF THINK TANK: ANALYST

    Messages:
    13,097
    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2009
    Ratings:
    +56 / 11,415 / -0
    This assumes you can actually tell apart the Ferrari and the 'something like a Ferrari', qualitatively speaking.

    A Lamborghini or McLaren could be considered 'something like a Ferrari'. Are you suggesting those are not so good?

    Or does it depend on a) budget and b) taste/preference?

    If someone offered me one of the three, I'ld say 'yes, please, thank you' always
    If someone offered me a pick of one of these three .... mmmm, tough choice.
     
  15. IND151

    IND151 BANNED

    Messages:
    10,172
    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2010
    Ratings:
    +3 / 7,319 / -0
    Country:
    India
    Location:
    India