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    it will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere. From what I've been able to find, Stavatti is also a mostly vaporware company, the one exception being the Javelin design/prototype they bought from another bankrupt company that flew it 10+ years ago
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    I assume that Stavatti has the prototype? although the registration is expired
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    If they do plan to get serious about this, they would be wise to move everything out of the U.S. because no way the CIA will allow this continue under their noses. Stavatti needs to decide if they want to work with Serbia or go for the US Air Force TX (advanced trainer) competition, no way they will be allowed to do both.

    The Williams FJ44 engine in the Javelin is another problem, Washington can declare it a "threat to national security" and ban it's export to any country it decides at any time.
    http://www.williams-int.com/products/fj44-4

    Lots of problems to solve before a single bolt or screw can be installed. Despite all this, It's a good start and hopefully they succeed in producing something that flies.
     
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    at 0:46 , new close support vehicle with MLRS system? built on Terminator chassis?
     
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    It's a modernization of M77 Oganj, with subsystems developed for Morava MLRS, and the similar armored cabin used on PASARS 16:
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    Chassis used in both cases is original FAP 2026 chassis.
     
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    Do you agree with Ostojic that Čelik 2017 is a misleading presentation? That most of the things they are presenting and promoting as future VS hardware will either never make it into inventory of VS or simply things VS is not interested in?

    I can see his point, but if you don't develop and support a defense industry with substantial international sales then how do you fund the modernization of the home guard? I think you need a balance there and salesmanship is part of that,
     
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    It depends on what systems are we talking about. Those Nora B52 that participated on that exercise are produced for Serbian army. They are not yet introduced in to full use, but first battery (6) is already completed, and second battery is under production, total order is 18 Nora B52 for the Serbian army. Lazar 3 is according to our ex prime minister (now president) ordered for the army (12 for the beginning, with aim of 54, if i remember correctly), 9 of 12 for police is already delivered to them. Also Serbian Gendarmerie got 40+ modernized BOV armored vehicles (M11 and M15). And prototype of 4x4 Milos armored vehicle is also delivered to SAJ, and acording to minister of police, they plan to acquire more of them for SAJ and Gendarmerie.

    But when we talk about Serbian army we need to have in mind, that they lack funds needed for serious modernization. Also some of those projects presented are still under development. And everything that goes in to army, needs to pass a testing in TOC (Technical test center of the Serbian army), and that can last sometimes up to two years.

    So i do agree with most of things Dimitrije said, but not all of them.
     
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    Reliance Defence inks pact with Serbia's Yugoimport to make ammunition in India
    Partnership eyes Rs 20,000 crore worth of orders from Indian armed forces over 10 years as Anil Ambani-led Reliance Group bets on the defence sector

    In yet another indication of the heightened interest among global defence manufacturers to explore the Indian market, Yugoimport, a Serbian state-owned company that makes ammunition, signed a strategic partnership with Reliance Defence Ammunition (RDA), an Anil Ambani-led Reliance Group firm.

    RDA, which is a subsidiary of Reliance Infrastructure, and Yugoimport will “work together in the field of ammunition, amongst others, with projected minimum requirement of Rs 20,000 crore over the next 10 years from the Indian armed forces,” a statement issued on Tuesday read.

    After coming to power in 2014, the Narendra Modi-led Indian government had liberalised the norms governing foreign direct investment (FDI) in the defence sector. FDI to the extent of 49 percent is allowed under the automatic route, and FDI beyond that limit may be permitted if the government approves such a plan on a case-to-case basis.

    But in the absence of any concrete and meaningful orders awarded out to these private sector and foreign companies, many of these partnerships exist on paper without much operations on the ground.

    To further strengthen private sector participation in the Indian defence sector, the government also announced the Strategic Partnership Model that aims to create a defence manufacturing ecosystem comprising large companies and small and medium enterprises, by selecting certain private firms to build submarines and fighter jets in India in partnership with foreign companies.

    According to Reliance’s statement, the Indian government has recently issued eight RFPs (request for proposal) for different grades of ammunition, opening up this area to private sector participation for the first time. These proposals envisage transfer of technology by the OEM (original equipment manufacturer)—usually the foreign company—and indigenous manufacturing in India. India currently imports 50 percent of the ammunition requirement by value, which is worth around Rs 10,000 crore.

    http://www.forbesindia.com/article/...ugoimport-to-make-ammunition-in-india/47303/1

    Stavatti and Jugoimport Enter Into New Aircraft Development Agreement

    Stavatti Aerospace Ltd. and Jugoimport-SDPR J.P. entered into an Agreement today to develop and produce a new single engine aircraft. This aircraft will be produced at the UTVA aircraft factory in Pancevo, Serbia and exported worldwide.

    This Agreement is the first Addendum to the Agreement on Strategic Partnership and Long Term Business and Technical Cooperation that was entered into on April 19th. The Agreement was signed by Christopher Beskar for Stavatti and Aleksandar Lijakovic for Jugoimport-SDPR in Belgrade.

    Founded in 1949, Jugoimport-SDPR is a Serbian Defense & Industrial Complex integrator responsible for developing, producing, and trading combat systems and defense equipment for regional and global customers.

    Founded in 1937, UTVA has produced over 900 aircraft including the Trojka, 212, 213, Aero-3, Utva 56, Utva 60, Utva 65, Utva 66, Utva 75 and Lasta 95. UTVA also produced major airframe structures and assemblies for the J-22 Orao and the G-4 Super Galeb. UTVA is ISO 9001 Certified and was certified by Boeing in 1990 as an airframe parts and assemblies manufacturer responsible for producing machined and sheet metal aircraft parts, tools, and assemblies, including slats, wing tips, cargo doors, and floor supports for 737, 747 and 757 commercial airliners.

    http://www.stavatti.com/stavatti-and-jugoimport-enter-into-new-aircraft-development-agreement/
     
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    the more you look at Stavatti the more bizarre this deal becomes. They've never produced an aircraft, their graphics all come from X-plane, which is basically a video game, their company is not on any stock market and seems to be based on a model that operates on "high-hopes" investment. They have bounced around from claiming to be designing aircraft for the US air-force, to personal sport jets, to NATO members, and now to a non-NATO member and many would argue ally of Russia.
    from Zoominfo
    What is in this for Jugoimport , I would really like to know? Maybe they're getting the Javelin Prototype? I have to wonder how useful that would be , and airplane that flew once 10 years ago.
    The CEO is an interesting guy for sure .We have many of these types of guys here in Colorado, they're intelligent no doubt, but most of them run small businesses and a lot of those are grow ops. None of them are saying they can design/build world class aircraft.

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    Proka what are your thoughts on this, any guesses to what's going on here?
     
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    Serbian Military Technical Institute projects

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    wow.... have not seen galeb aircraft in such a long time; last time i had seen one was outside Lusaka.
     
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