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Separation of Mosque and State

Should the mosque and state be separated in Pakistan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 50 44.2%
  • No

    Votes: 55 48.7%
  • I do not care

    Votes: 8 7.1%

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cocomo

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bro......keep that stuff to yourself man, we don't need no sharia law
"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". Its from the bible but it sure tells you what sharia stands for, it stands for establishing God's kingdom as it is his right (sovereignty of god). ie the source of one's law should be God not humanism or liberalism or whateverisms where man is the sovereign. Well I am for the separation of Mosques and State because most of our molvis are illiterate or fanatic. They ought to convince the public intellectually to support sharia.
 
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malik_qasim

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Some argue that nationalism is a secular religion, it keeps people together, like a religion would, it makes you biased against other nationalities and it is something to die for. Nationalism isn't a religious idea, your conscience/religion decides what group you belong to in religion not the boundaries on a map, hence nationalism is a secular idea.

Secular just means "not religious". So facism, communism and North Korea are all secular.
the word secular means free from the bounds of religious affiliations, on its own the word means very little and is simple to understand..
fascism is a far right wing ultra nationalistic movement and communism is far left wing socialist ideology..
in its essence fascism have very common believes and mostly draw power from religion, like hanging homosexuals and totalitarianism being one of those common grounds. and as far as socialism is concern.. it can be said to be of secular in origin.. and if it is achieved, like in Scandinavian states can really form an utopia.
you have nothing to fear from the word socialist until you are an american.. or you end up with communism instead of socialism. both are different ideologies, thou similar in essence.
socialism is benefit of the people
and communism is benefit of the state is the benefit of the people.
and north Korea is an necrocracy.. they are completely a different league.
so being secular means your thoughts and decisions are not swayed by religious affiliation of the subject at hand, but rather by the merit and requirement of the time.
and a government system should be as secular, as a CAR is secular or as a factory machine is secular.. or the fertile soil is secular..
these things do not ask the religion of the person utilizing them, but reward on merit and hard work..
 

cocomo

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fascism is a far right wing ultra nationalistic movement and communism is far left wing socialist ideology..
in its essence fascism have very common believes and mostly draw power from religion, like hanging homosexuals and totalitarianism being one of those common grounds
You know they gave secular reasons for that don't you? Hitler used evolution to justify killing Jews, here is a quick course for you on Nazi eugenics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics
As far as killing gays is concerned, they didn't kill gays because God said so it was because "The Nazis believed that male homosexuals were weak, effeminate men who could not fight for the German nation" again it is a nationalistic secular reason.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005261

Here is the first definition for "secular" that comes up on google:
"not connected with religious or spiritual matters" as I said previously.
 
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Hassan Guy

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You know they gave secular reasons for that don't you? Hitler used evolution to justify killing Jews, here is a quick course for you on Nazi eugenics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics
As far as killing gays is concerned, they didn't kill gays because God said so it was because "The Nazis believed that male homosexuals were weak, effeminate men who could not fight for the German nation" again it is a secular reason.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005261

Here is the first definition for "secular" that comes up on google:
"not connected with religious or spiritual matters" as I said previously.
Wow, hold on a second

Nazi Germany was a first world industrial power. Flourishing in terms of economy, education, technology and HDI.
 
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cocomo

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Wow, hold on a second

The Nazi's where a first world industrialized power. Flourishing in terms of economy, education, technology and HDI.
But that doesn't mean they were moral. Morality should be above all concerns.
 
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Hitler emphasised again and again his belief that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on modern science. Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition [-] 'In the long run', [Hitler] concluded, 'National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together'"​

Source: Richard J. Evans; The Third Reich at War; Penguin Press; New York 2009, p. 547​


If you don't know what you're talking about then grab a book for a change.
You are contradicting urself. How can Nazism be secular? In fact there is and was vast difference between a Hitler who wrote Mein Kampf and the one who he was after he grabbed power.

In a secularist state it means, not only a separation of church and state, but emphasizing all citizens, irrespective of caste, religion and race are equal before law and share same laws and powers. I wonder when nazi germany implemented all these?

I would really love to read books on Hitler, but older ones.
 
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Taimoor Khan

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You know they gave secular reasons for that don't you? Hitler used evolution to justify killing Jews, here is a quick course for you on Nazi eugenics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics
As far as killing gays is concerned, they didn't kill gays because God said so it was because "The Nazis believed that male homosexuals were weak, effeminate men who could not fight for the German nation" again it is a secular reason.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005261

Here is the first definition for "secular" that comes up on google:
"not connected with religious or spiritual matters" as I said previously.

Our gullible lot have no clue as to where this idea of "secularism" came from. To cut the long story short, the knight templers, from whom came all the secret societies of today, the freemasons, the illuminaties, they were found out by the Church in Europe after the crusades that these lot were indulging in all sorts of sorcery and devil worshiping. Church lead the way in hunting these lots down, and eventually booted them out from mainland Europe, they manage to find refugee in Scotland. and from there, they went on to build their empire which we now refer to as America. They made their come back in Europe secretly using their underground societies without showing their true colours and manage to get into power corridors. That is when the idea of "secularism" was sold to gullible lot, and under this new ideology they took their revenge on Church throughout Europe. Now, it has become some sort of fashion and buzz word without people knowing what it is all about, its beginning and whose bidding they are doing when promoting secularism. Those who started it, they themselves have got religion, which is satanism.
 

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They killed jews, If that happened today all the muslims would be throwing a party


Are women gonna have to wear a burqa now in this county?
All orders of Islam will be enforced no matter How much secular and others hate it. All Islamic laws will be implemented and all forbidden things will be stopped and all Halal things will be spread and encouraged.
 

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All orders of Islam will be enforced no matter How much secular and others hate it. All Islamic laws will be implemented and all forbidden things will be stopped and all Halal things will be spread and encouraged.
Who's gonna implement this stuff, do we need an ayatollah now or what?
What about a law on marijuana? thats not in the quran.
 

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All over pdf, there are numerous posts about the "West" lurching towards the right. The same for India when it chose the BJP. It's retaliatory... and there's a reason for that: the hostility from the islamic world. Liberalism, like socialism is ok when everyone is one the same page. When you aggressively flout those norms, actively wage a cultural war and refuse to integrate, it leads to the host countries lurching towards the right. There's only so much people can take.
 

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Who's gonna implement this stuff, do we need an ayatollah now or what?
What about marijuana? thats not in the quran.
Your second questions is enough to show you seriously lack knowledge about Islam. Every new matter is decided in light of Quran and Sunnah. And Muslim leader have to implement and as PM of Pakistan Nawaz Shareef has to duty to do it and if state fails to do its job than in Islam Muslims have to peacefully protest and force state to start implementing Islamic laws.
 
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