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SD-10 vs AIM-120 (Latest versions)

Discussion in 'Pakistan Strategic Forces' started by MZUBAIR, Nov 19, 2010.

  1. GumNaam

    GumNaam SENIOR MEMBER

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    Corrections, su30 and mirage2k. mig21 was killed by the PL9.
     
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  2. ziaulislam

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    honestly i have followed this news closely and i am still confused

    did we found any material evidence of anything beyond mi21 and mi17
     
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    GumNaam SENIOR MEMBER

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    No we haven't. the mi17 was only exposed cuz al jazeerah showed it on camera. the su30 and the mirage2k fell deep on the iok side. But a vast number of us including myself have family members in the military and the chatter that is coming from all of them and the chatter from the social media is all indicating that an su30 and a mirage2k were also knocked out. this is probably as close as we'll ever get since the indians are too ashamed to either confirm or deny.
     
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    AMRAAM

    has a Pk of 63.15% (19 missiles for 12 kills, including the Syrian Su-22 downed by a US Navy F/A-18E). The targets included six MiG-29s, a MiG-25, a MiG-23, two Su-22s, a Galeb and a US Army Blackhawk that was targeted by mistake.
     
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    Vintage works, these are intergated algorithms R-opt - R-aero R-pi R-tr R-min. These algorithms used to provide feedback for real time data interception for mid and termina course optimization. Now we have builtin AESA guidance.


     
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    Can you elabrate a little more on this please?

    Thanks
     
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    AESA radar, which is used in the terminal phase of flight to lock onto the target ??
     
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    This is vintage, not relevant.
     
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    Mig 21 n su 30 kills by sd 10
     
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    Su-30MKI was hit in belly
     
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    Bro its an air to air missile ... it goes ballistic meand its worthless
     
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    Heard PAF switched to latest production variant of SD-10s, anyone have updates on SD-10B.
     
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    All BVR does that to increase their range, in boost-glide phase, this glide phase means BVR goes ballistic @The Accountant
     
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    from where ?

    Lots of fake news being posted on social media

    Even if the case paf will disclose to Allan Warren
     
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    he revelation of PL-10 imagery with the clear implication of South African technical participation also provides possible insights into another AAM found on a Chinese university website in mid-December 2007. This AAM has not yet been identified by any official or unofficial PLA source, but this single picture shows some similarity to the Denel radar-guided R-Darter, which is virtually the same missile as the Israeli Aircraft Industries Derby. The product of Israeli and South African cooperation during the 1980s and 1990s, the R-Darter has a light weight of 120kg and reported range of 63km.[8] It appears that the R-Darter/Derby program intended to produce a very maneuverable but light-weight radar-guided AAM that could be back-fitted to advanced 3rd and 4th generation fighters. R-Darter entered service with the South African Air Force but Derby has not yet entered service with the Israeli Air Force, though it is reportedly being used by the Singapore Air Force.



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    New Radar Guided AAM: Two new-type AAMs straddle a single PL-12 on a three-missile pylon on a JH-7A fighter bomber (top). This vague image was obtained from a Chinese university web site, and appears to show some similarity to the somewhat larger South African/Israeli R-Darter (bottom) radar-guided AAM. Source: Internet
    The key similarity between the new PLA AAM and the R-Darter appears to be their shape and the possible inclusion of a small roll stabilization fins behind the front fins. However, it also appears that this new missile is appreciably smaller than the R-Darter, perhaps weighing only about 100 to 110kgs.[9] This would mean a shorter range, perhaps 20 to 30km. It is not known whether this new AAM has a semi-active, active, or even a passive seeker. One possibility may be a version of the new small 150mm seeker being marketed by Russia’s AGAT.[10] It is clear that the PLA intends to exploit this missile’s light weight, as its first public illustration shows two of the new missiles paired with a PL-12 on a single three-missile launch pylon. This pylon configuration allows newer fighters such as the FC-1, J-10, J-11B and JH-7A to increase their beyond-visual-range AAM carriage capability. This missile could also be intended to quickly upgrade the latest models of 3rd generation fighters like the Shenyang J-8IIF/H and the Chengdu J-7E/G with a lightweight radar guided AAM to complement the PL-10 infrared/imaging AAM.

    If these two new PLA AAMs were aided substantially by South Africa, then it would stand to reason that South Africa may have also provided key enabling technologies such as Helmet Mounted Display systems and data links. Denel’s Archer HMD was developed to support the A-Darter and R-Darter and would likely have been sold to China along with the AAM technology. China’s Luoyang group has also long commented, albeit cryptically, on its interest in developing HMD technology, with images of experimental HMDs appearing from time to time. A new Luoyang HMD may benefit from indigenous and foreign technology. A helmet mounted sight displayed by the Cigong Group at the 2004 Zhuhai show uses prominent light-emitting diodes to allow cockpit computers to track the position of the pilot’s head, in order to target weapons, the same system used by the Denel Archer HMD.



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    Advanced Helmet Systems: The South African “Archer” helmet mounted display (top) uses light emitting diodes to track pilot head position in order to target weapons. The Cigong Group helmet sight seen a the 2004 Zhuhai show used a similar head tracking system. Any potential South African help with new PLA AAMs likely included the sale of advanced helmet display technology. Source: Denel and RD Fisher