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Scrutiny and possible actions against Pak for perceived or real support to Afg Taliban.

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US needs Pakistan to deal with ISIS-K and other such elements in the area that may want to do harm to its western allies. So Pakistan will remain important for US affairs in the region. But Pakistan's leverage in the relationship is not what it used to be for the time being.

Sanctions against Pakistan will never be signed off by the administration unless it is meant to influence Pakistan in some particular way that will benefit the US. There is no case for it now.
 

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These sanctions were in pipes since Obama. I've written about this extensively on here. Pakistan's largest trading partner for it's exports is the US. I don't understand how do you not engage with the only real superpower in the globe for so many years as actively as it was needed. At this time, 80% of the US leaders are against Pakistan. If active foreign policy was at play all these years, you'd see minimal damage.

Secondly, your post is very flawed. You guys like to think "America got humiliated", etc, etc. These same posts are visible to the world as "Pakistanis hate America" when you guys are just too emotional to be frank. To the US, this was an operation. When an operation goes bad, we shut it down without emotions. It's just that simple. Our focus needed to be on China and now trillions are being planned to be spent against China. Nothing has really "destroyed" America financially by being in Afghanistan. Again, Pakistan has always known it had issues with the US, and secondly, there was the Indian lobby factor. That's minimized now and it's just the post Afghan war era image of Pakistan and the US leadership. So somewhere you guys needed to bring blue suits and red ties. The US leadership hates dealing with current or ex military people, sadly, that was all Pakistan could offer. Send in civilians with authority, in suits and with aggressive diplomacy. You'll see results in two years.
Trust me, no matter what you try with the American establishment it's fruitless for Pakistan. We've lost 80,000 soldiers fighting a war that was imposed on our nation. In all honesty and I will be very blunt, I feel more pain for those 80,000 soldiers than I do for the 3,000 and some miniscule soldiers that died in Afghan part of NATO. We've throughout the Cold War put our nations safety at risk before the Afghan-Soviet War and were even threatened by USSR Nuclear Attack for supporting U-2 and God knows what else, for a nation that's 12,000 miles away.
 

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They are going to sanctions Pakistan. It was already written on the wall.

How Pakistan specific these sanctions are:
View attachment 780800
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Lol this partisan bill will never see the day of light. It is weak and weird people like Graham Lindsay behind it. Nothing will come out of this is another histronics false PDF alarm as usual and overreactions is PDF cuisine no sane US admin would pursue such policies for obvious reasons. The US is in geopolitcally a period where it doesn't want Pakistan turned into another Iran giving birth to few other nuclear states in the mideast as result
 

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And this was expected. A bill has been introduced to sanction individuals, countries and governments that help Taliban. There is a Pakistan specific chapter in the bill. Its very similar to Pressler Amendment.

Who told our leadership to trust the Americans? How many times we will be bitten by them?
Let's see how IK wiggles out of this one.
 

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one of your flags needs to be changed.
Is that so? I can change both if there is a reason to. How'd you like to see the American flags again?

Research on human brain shows when there is nothing positive and logical left to counter one with, the brain makes people insult and make irrational comments to hide their lack of intellect.
 
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I believe we will not get the F35 and F22 the only thing we are missing
let us light up a candle and mourn over

What else ?
  • Tractors come from China / Europe
  • Cars come from China / Japan / Europe
  • Oil come from Multiple countries
  • Gas comes from Multiple countries
  • Nuclear Weapons we make it at home
  • Submarines we getting from China
  • JF17 Engines coming from Russia
  • Tanks mostly local
  • Missile Program all Local
  • Ship building all Local
  • Live Stock Local
  • Crops Local
  • Fruit Local
  • Clothes Local
  • Shoes Local

What we getting from USA
  • Pizza Hut
  • McDonalds Burgers
  • The wheat bags from 1990's we have them in special storage

😪
 
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You are so very far off this time. I wish I could let you speak to our leadership so you can see their attitude on both sides. There is very strong anti-Pakistan focus and it has some input from India, but majority of it has been brewing since 2002.
US relationship with Pakistan has always been purely transactional. We are less dependant on the US today than we were in 90s. Completely alienating Pakistan is not in US interest. It will have implications for the US influence too. If US really sanctions Pakistan this time, and we really hope it does, then we do have our contingency plans in place. The general mood in Pakistan has shifted from "Do More" to "No More"
 

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Is that so? I can change both if there is a reason to. How'd you like to see the American flags again?

Research on human brain shows when there is nothing positive and logical left to counter one with, the brain makes people insult and make irrational comments to hide the lack of intellect.
I am not now nor have ever been Anti- America.

the errors/slip-ups you make in your writing are not American but subcontinental
 

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Marco Rubio writes "As such, it is an outrage and deeply offensive that your administration would put the blame for this disaster on our Afghan partners. "

Wow ! After 20 years and $1.5 trillion expense Americans failed to create viable Afghan society, government and armed forces. All these three pillars collapsed in 11 days ! Even the former President Ghani fled the country with $116 million dollars without informing the Afghan government. Just blame Pakistan for this defeat while absolving the Afghan society, government and armed forces for their own monumental failures.
 

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I am not now nor have ever been Anti- America.

the errors/slip-ups you make in your writing are not American but subcontinental
I am a Chinese descent who grew up in Nigeria, went to school in Canada and at the end, "I LUV Murica". Continue to dance on my writing style. Try coming up with logical counter narrative vs. wasting time and getting personal.
 

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We've lost 80,000 soldiers fighting a war
what a loada bullshit. when moron khan says this he means soldiers, terrorists and civilians all combined. sometimes he says 65k at other times it is 75k, now according to PDFers it is 80k
went to school in Canada
I thought Canada had better standards of education than is apparent from your posts
 
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US relationship with Pakistan has always been purely transactional. We are less dependant on the US today than we were in 90s. Completely alienating Pakistan is not in US interest. It will have implications for the US influence too. If US really sanctions Pakistan this time, and we really hope it does, then we do have our contingency plans in place. The general mood in Pakistan has shifted from "Do More" to "No More"

It's been "transactional" or you've kept it that way and didn't know how to manage it? The later is the truth here. Every time a nation to nation relationship is built and managed by militaries, it never gets to the Public. Results is this relationship.
 

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what a loada bullshit. when moron khan says this he means soldiers and civilians combined
Never though there are 80.000 Pakistani deaths. In what war ? As I know Afghan war during USSR, Pakistan only supplied ammunition, weapon, and maybe some special force operation, never has direct fight against USSR.

And during Bush invasion in Afghan, Pakistan is also not involved. Drone attack by Obama administration did make many victims as many Taliban run away to Pakistan and Pakistan civilians may become victim, but I am not suppose to reach 80.000 lives............
 

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Never though there are 80.000 Pakistani deaths. In what war ? As I know Afghan war during USSR, Pakistan only supplied ammunition, weapon, and maybe some special force operation, never has direct fight against USSR.

And during Bush invasion in Afghan, Pakistan is also not involved. Drone attack by Obama administration did make many victims as many Taliban run away to Pakistan and Pakistan civilians may become victim, but I am not suppose to reach 80.000 lives............
Apparently they kinda did Soviet planes regularly came to Pak territory and in Panjshir valley they had Pakistani forces disguised as Afghans helping the mujahideen (or misheard)
Look at the Panjshir valley assault part
 
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AZADPAKISTAN2009

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Figure of 80,000 people

Let us examine a period between 1970-Present

Reference:

Who runs SATP.ORG ? unsure however sure seems detailed information

Do more you say?
ABSOLUTELY NOT !!!!



1977-2000 stats not included but easy to see how you can go from 63,000 to 80,000 people easily
considering India was bombing Karachi with Terrorist activities using cells like Kalbhushan


Click to Enlarge
Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2000-2019


Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
2000
45​
0​
0​
45​
2001
29​
9​
0​
38​
2002
88​
7​
44​
139​
2003
140​
24​
25​
189​
2004
435​
184​
244​
863​
2005
430​
81​
137​
648​
2006
608​
325​
538​
1471​
2007
1522​
597​
1479​
3598​
2008
2155​
654​
3906​
6715​
2009
2324​
991​
8389​
11704​
2010
1796​
469​
5170​
7435​
2011
2738​
765​
2800​
6303​
2012
3007​
732​
2472​
6211​
2013
3001​
676​
1702​
5379​
2014
1781​
533​
3182​
5496​
2015
940​
339​
2403​
3682​
2016
612​
293​
898​
1803​
2017
540​
208​
512​
1260​
2018
369​
165​
157​
691​
2019
97​
75​
56​
228​
Total*
22657
7127
34114
63898
*Data till June 23, 2019



2019*
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
5​
12​
15​
32​
February
10​
11​
2​
23​
March
15​
13​
4​
32​
April
38​
11​
6​
55​
May
26​
20​
25​
71​
June
3​
8​
4​
15​
Total
97
75
56
228
*Data till June 23, 2019

2018
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
18​
17​
22​
57​
February
6​
23​
13​
42​
March
17​
13​
16​
46​
April
19​
15​
10​
44​
May
14​
13​
17​
44​
June
13​
14​
18​
45​
July
216​
10​
11​
237​
August
2​
5​
8​
15​
September
8​
21​
24​
53​
October
11​
15​
10​
36​
November
43​
9​
4​
56​
December
2​
10​
4​
16​
Total
369
165
157
691


2017
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
38​
9​
14​
61​
February
114​
23​
125​
262​
March
26​
19​
62​
107​
April
28​
16​
63​
107​
May
63​
12​
13​
88​
June
84​
19​
28​
131​
July
40​
26​
44​
110​
August
13​
26​
33​
72​
September
17​
12​
28​
57​
October
34​
18​
38​
90​
November
41​
19​
33​
93​
December
42​
9​
31​
82​
Total
540
208
512
1260


2016
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
48​
38​
127​
213​
February
36​
30​
149​
215​
March
126​
16​
128​
270​
April
27​
28​
122​
177​
May
36​
20​
61​
117​
June
33​
16​
36​
85​
July
26​
7​
27​
60​
August
103​
13​
55​
171​
September
77​
26​
42​
145​
October
23​
75​
58​
156​
November
68​
23​
55​
146​
December
9​
1​
38​
48​
Total
612
293
898
1803


2015
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
137​
44​
266​
447​
February
94​
15​
152​
261​
March
72​
34​
304​
410​
April
60​
19​
239​
318​
May
137​
27​
217​
381​
June
35​
29​
321​
385​
July
49​
28​
91​
168​
August
98​
40​
302​
440​
September
81​
46​
178​
305​
October
74​
22​
115​
211​
November
32​
25​
117​
174​
December
71​
10​
101​
182​
Total
940
339
2403
3682


2014
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
236​
94​
133​
463​
February
185​
48​
178​
411​
March
134​
41​
47​
222​
April
116​
20​
130​
266​
May
116​
50​
187​
353​
June
162​
66​
557​
785​
July
134​
59​
280​
473​
August
111​
30​
209​
350​
September
108​
26​
353​
487​
October
110​
22​
289​
421​
November
157​
51​
376​
584​
December
212​
26​
443​
681​
Total
1781
533
3182
5496

2013
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
414​
70​
265​
749​
February
360​
44​
201​
605​
March
249​
43​
193​
485​
April
230​
88​
234​
552​
May
283​
81​
185​
549​
June
326​
62​
104​
492​
July
240​
68​
149​
457​
August
224​
62​
62​
348​
September
292​
46​
71​
409​
October
127​
37​
70​
234​
November
144​
43​
82​
269​
December
112​
32​
86​
230​
Total
3001
676
1702
5379
2012

Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
177​
117​
234​
528​
February
208​
59​
193​
460​
March
207​
72​
454​
733​
April
239​
36​
124​
399​
May
247​
76​
193​
516​
June
303​
64​
289​
656​
July
303​
60​
207​
570​
August
258​
70​
304​
632​
September
278​
22​
164​
464​
October
252​
40​
166​
458​
November
288​
31​
69​
388​
December
247​
85​
75​
407​
Total
3007
732
2472
6211
2011
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
204​
38​
255​
497​
February​
107​
68​
160​
335​
March​
432​
48​
148​
628​
April
263​
57​
254​
574​
May
161​
140​
220​
521​
June
209​
80​
354​
643​
July
423​
51​
337​
811​
August
430​
77​
183​
690​
September
186​
39​
130​
355​
October
119​
32​
172​
323​
November
91​
92​
333​
516​
December
113​
43​
254​
410​
Total
2738
765
2800
6303
2010

Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
182​
33​
387​
602​
February​
92​
68​
340​
500​
March​
168​
36​
502​
706​
April
182​
50​
558​
790​
May
156​
38​
833​
1027​
June
72​
44​
598​
714​
July
220​
36​
618​
874​
August
113​
30​
177​
320​
September
216​
27​
305​
548​
October
72​
31​
296​
399​
November
141​
34​
274​
449​
December
182​
42​
282​
506​
Total​
1796
469
5170
7435
2009

Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
250​
69​
245​
564​
February​
216​
31​
430​
677​
March​
168​
67​
171​
406​
April
132​
89​
297​
518​
May
279​
155​
1590​
2024​
June
200​
157​
1397​
1754​
July
156​
58​
768​
982​
August
155​
34​
531​
720​
September
111​
77​
662​
850​
October
255​
118​
1001​
1374​
November
175​
93​
792​
1060​
December
227​
43​
505​
775​
Total​
2324
991
8389
11704
2008

Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
88​
111​
455​
654​
February
182​
33​
30​
245​
March
137​
26​
41​
204​
April
80​
25​
16​
121​
May
61​
30​
37​
128​
June
149​
31​
38​
218​
July
82​
71​
250​
403​
August
339​
124​
784​
1247​
September
272​
67​
876​
1215​
October
262​
60​
735​
1057​
November
225​
50​
482​
757​
December
278​
26​
162​
466​
Total
2155
654
3906
6715

2007

Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists/Insurgents
Total
January
26​
16​
29​
71​
February
35​
4​
8​
47​
March
28​
21​
261​
310​
April
176​
18​
83​
277​
May
57​
10​
14​
81​
June
31​
12​
40​
83​
July
144​
143​
191​
478​
August
56​
63​
117​
236​
September
101​
67​
144​
312​
October
282​
101​
154​
537​
November
293​
94​
341​
728​
December
293​
48​
97​
438​
Total
1522
597
1479
3598

2006

Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists
Total
January
114​
29​
22​
165​
February
88​
16​
2​
106​
March
91​
19​
221​
331​
April
96​
44​
53​
193​
May
43​
39​
5​
87​
June
26​
29​
47​
102​
July
12​
52​
49​
113​
August
22​
43​
44​
109​
September
22​
0​
2​
24​
October
42​
7​
83​
132​
November
42​
45​
9​
96​
December
10​
2​
1​
13​
Total
608​
325​
538​
1471​

2005
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists
Total
January
30​
7​
2​
39​
February
11​
0​
6​
17​
March
77​
15​
3​
95​
April
6​
2​
2​
10​
May
63​
5​
2​
70​
June
8​
1​
0​
9​
July
29​
2​
43​
74​
August
14​
10​
1​
25​
September
32​
17​
40​
89​
October
27​
15​
16​
58​
November
13​
0​
12​
25​
December
120​
7​
10​
137​
Total
430​
81​
137​
648​
2004
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists
Total
January
0​
4​
0​
4​
February
2​
0​
1​
3​
March
47​
45​
25​
117​
April
6​
5​
1​
12​
May
45​
0​
0​
45​
June
60​
37​
24​
121​
July
28​
6​
19​
53​
August
42​
17​
4​
63​
September
70​
36​
70​
176​
October
114​
11​
28​
153​
November
5​
19​
72​
96​
December
16​
4​
0​
20​
Total
435​
184​
244​
863​


2003
Civilians
Security Force Personnel
Terrorists
Total
January
7​
0​
0​
7​
February
18​
3​
1​
22​
March
0​
0​
1​
1​
April
1​
0​
0​
1​
May
6​
0​
1​
7​
June
5​
13​
0​
18​
July
61​
2​
0​
63​
August
4​
0​
0​
4​
September
10​
0​
0​
10​
October
8​
5​
18​
31​
November
0​
0​
2​
2​
December
20​
1​
2​
23​
Total
140​
24​
25​
189​
Source: Figures are compiled from news reports and are provisional.
Note:A large number of target killings, which many believe are carried out by the terrorists, backed by warring political parties, in Sindh were inadvertently left. Now that fatalities in such incidents have been included for the years 2011 and 2012, the data has been changed accordingly.
 
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