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Not really. Europe and China have been economic players for 1000's of years. It would be a short term disruptive inconvenience for them in the grand scheme. Their economies would rebound because of their huge internal domestic production/consumption capacities.

Name me one hedge fund that's been around for more then 50 yrs. (forget 1000's of years). GCC portfolio's could be wiped out as fast as a lightening strike from heaven.

I would also ask the Rothchild's what happened to their massive investments in Europe.....They were seized when the folks in power had a change in politics. History has a tendency to repeat itself.
What exactly you think is the GCC portfolio ? It is extremely diversified. It is more like the S&P 500 Index than a hedge fund. If the GCC portfolio goes south most of the world's economy goes south

Cut off exports to the American market and take away manufacturing jobs from American multinationals. See how well China holds up.

Europe is tied to USA than any other region. Europe faces its own issues of declining population
 

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Your union of overpopulated Muslim states is likely to fail
Never said it would happen. GCC is focused on the hedge fund model. It may be possible with other countries.... Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan but in time.
 

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What exactly you think is the GCC portfolio ? It is extremely diversified. It is more like the S&P 500 Index than a hedge fund. If the GCC portfolio goes south most of the world's economy goes south

Cut off exports to the American market and take away manufacturing jobs from American multinationals. See how well China holds up.

Europe is tied to USA than any other region. Europe faces its own issues of declining population
You know nothing of military matter nor economics... someone like you is more suited for Bharat Rakshak.

What good is their sovereign wealth fund in the age of ultra low interest rates, cheap money, and steadily growing inflation? In the past their dollars matters because they were generating large revenues at a per barrel price of oil to be profitable. Now oil is so low they not only do not make a profit but have to use $$$ from their reserve funds.

There you have it ultra low return on their reserve stash while also eating away rapidly from the stash itself. So called western experts give the GCC 5 years top, I give them 3 years max before they hit the point of no return ie extreme low levels of reserves.

When your 2 main revenue generators ie tourism/oil has been almost none existent this year makes matters much more worse. I stated multiple times on this forum that India's economic contraction would be the worst in the G20 months ago, I also stated INdia would be #1 globally in COVID cases back in April, I also stated months ago that tesla would hit $2500 (when it was at 1300). All most posts are public and for you to see. So mark my words 3 years top :D
 

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Saudi is bending to Israeli and Indian will these. The thing to remember here is that Saudi today goes with the wind and Pakistan just needs to focus on itself and the rest (Saudi) will fall in line.
 

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Those are being upgraded by Turkey and KSA cannot even fight some chappal wearing insurgents how can they do anything to us.
US/Western media call them flip flop warriors.... they don't call them terrorist or insurgent.
 

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Who are the custodians of Mecca and Madina ?
As a practical matter who are we trying to fool ?
What custodians?
You cannot stand against ill-equipped Yemeni rebels, your soldiers are being cornered, kidnapped and butchered. And you claim that house of Saud are the official custodians...

Saud family belongs to a Baudouin tribe and they are not true custodians. Declaring themselves ruler of Arabian peninsula does not mean that they are Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques or two cities. This title was a royal style used by many Muslim rulers in the past.

The true guardianship was appointed be Holy Prophet. The prophet’s words were: “Take it, Oh Bani Talha, eternally up to the Day of Resurrection, and it will not be taken from you unless by an unjust, oppressive tyrant.” This, in turn explains why this tradition has been inherited by the sons of Shaybah and their successors till present times.

Let me inform you, we Muslims from all part of the world are ready to die protecting the holy places of Kaaba of Mecca and Masjid e Nabwi of Madina.

Pakistan Army units present in the vicinity of these holy cities at the time of escalation and emergencies was and will be for the protection of these sites.
 

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Pakistans only friend is Allah. Even Pakistani's are not Pakistans friends
Young man this a very broad statement. I agree Allah have kept his Rahmets on Pakistan despite we are not worthy of his Kurams. Some segment of the society have forgotten about Islam hence meaning of Pakistan is not significant for them then you also have got another segment who loves Pakistan but due to lack of education are throwing spears in the dark. But still there are some who will stand for their country no matter what. Some times i wonder if Taliban's have taken the enlightened view like Egyptian brotherhood did and not chosen the violent path we won't be watching anchors discussing sexual issues on out TV's and Aurat march didn't existed. Its a tragedy of our country that we are not blessed with the leaders of characters and we are then thrown to the leeches on top of it. There is always a hope and you can see after living a play boy life even IK is holding the Thesbeh so as they say Allah works in the mysterious ways. :pakistan:
 

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You contradict yourself - pakistan has no problem with the Saudis being puppets of the West as long as Pakistan benefited

Explain how Saudi stance on Kashmir has ever mattered. Have they delivered anything other than toothless resolutions. Has the irony of begging an autocrat on matters of self-determination ever mattered ?

You are misreading Saudi investment in a private Indian oil company. Saudi investment in Indian oil sector is a favor to Saudi Arabia not a favor to India. There are humpteen wealth funds in New York that would love to invest in Indian energy markets but are restricted by politicians in Delhi
Somewhere in this thread you claimed that Saudi monarchy is custodian of two holy cities. In the past this title was held by those Muslim rulers who were accepted as caliphs of Muslim world. By claiming this title you claim the leadership of Muslim world. This leadership demands responsibility of welfare of all the Muslims of the world including Palestine, Kashmir and Burma (Myanmar). What stance did your leadership took? Pledging huge investment to those who are openly oppressing the Muslims in Kashmir and other parts of their country. Videos of their oppression were shown all over the world and the response from these so called leaders left was nothing.

The day their stances changed, they are no more considered as Leaders of Islam. This claim is now null and void.

Now the indicators showing their covert involvement in terrorist activities to suppress CPEC progression. If found true, it cannot be left without an effective response.

So Saudi monarchy beware.
 

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Best policy for Pakistan is to focus on itself and strengthen relations with our traditional allies ie China, Turkey, Malaysia, Qatar, and the US. If anything we should focus on expanding our ties with the far east and the west. Key partners in the far east for us could be Indonesia, Japan, and South Korea. The amount of investment/tourism we can get from Japan/Korea we have not even touched.

Forget India/GCC, they are on borrowed time. I wont be surprised if the Bhindis themselves drag out Modi at the rate things are going in India. Same for the GCC they are on borrowed time and would be of very little value to Pakistan.
 

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Somewhere in this thread you claimed that Saudi monarchy is custodian of two holy cities. In the past this title was held by those Muslim rulers who were accepted as caliphs of Muslim world. By claiming this title you claim the leadership of Muslim world. This leadership demands responsibility of welfare of all the Muslims of the world including Palestine, Kashmir and Burma (Myanmar). What stance did your leadership took? Pledging huge investment to those who are openly oppressing the Muslims in Kashmir and other parts of their country. Videos of their oppression were shown all over the world and the response from these so called leaders left was nothing.

The day their stances changed, they are no more considered as Leaders of Islam. This claim is now null and void.

Now the indicators showing their covert involvement in terrorist activities to suppress CPEC progression. If found true, it cannot be left without an effective response.

So Saudi monarchy beware.
In the real world who is custodian of Mecca and Medina ? who stamps your visa when you want to go on Hajj ?

When oil runs out or gets replaced your Saudi leadership will go away for the better or the worse.
 

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You know nothing of military matter nor economics... someone like you is more suited for Bharat Rakshak.

What good is their sovereign wealth fund in the age of ultra low interest rates, cheap money, and steadily growing inflation? In the past their dollars matters because they were generating large revenues at a per barrel price of oil to be profitable. Now oil is so low they not only do not make a profit but have to use $$$ from their reserve funds.

There you have it ultra low return on their reserve stash while also eating away rapidly from the stash itself. So called western experts give the GCC 5 years top, I give them 3 years max before they hit the point of no return ie extreme low levels of reserves.

When your 2 main revenue generators ie tourism/oil has been almost none existent this year makes matters much more worse. I stated multiple times on this forum that India's economic contraction would be the worst in the G20 months ago, I also stated INdia would be #1 globally in COVID cases back in April, I also stated months ago that tesla would hit $2500 (when it was at 1300). All most posts are public and for you to see. So mark my words 3 years top :D
TSLA is at $1300 adjusted for split. It is a company that is trying hard to make a profit. It is a speculative investment. Pontificating about TSLA stock price makes you money. Nothing else.

Your point about cheap money is valid. I would rather have sovereign wealth fund rather than going around with a begging bowl.

This year is about Covid. There will be vaccines and counter-measures. Life will go back to normal. Worst case covid virus will last 5 years.
 

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In the real world who is custodian of Mecca and Medina ? who stamps your visa when you want to go on Hajj ?
A childish question...

No response required.

When oil runs out or gets replaced your Saudi leadership will go away for the better or the worse.
I do not have any soft corner for current leadership of KSA.

If oil goes out or gets replaced, there will be major shift of economic growth in favor of those countries who can produce (specially agricultural and related products) and consume within their boundaries and also export them to other countries. China Russia, USA, Indonesia, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are some example. Countries whose economy wholly depend on Oil export will be most effected.
 

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