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Saudi Arabia to hit back in case of sanctions over Jamal Khashoggi

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    Riyadh combative as UK, German and French ministers call for credible investigation

    Patrick Wintour
    Diplomatic editor
    Sun 14 Oct 2018 18.36 BST First published on Sun 14 Oct 2018 12.13 BST

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    Jamal Khashoggi has been missing for 12 days since entering the Saudi consulate. Photograph: Mohammed Al-Shaikh/AFP/Getty Images
    Saudi Arabia has said it will retaliate against any sanctions imposed over the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, as the Riyadh stock market had its biggest fall in years.

    A host of western companies have distanced themselves from the Gulf state following the journalist’s disappearance, imperilling Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s efforts at economic reform.

    Khashoggi has been missing since he entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October and is presumed to have been murdered.

    Donald Trump has threatened the US ally with “severe punishment” if Khashoggi, who has been critical of Bin Salman, has been killed.

    The French, German and UK foreign secretaries ratcheted up the pressure by releasing a joint statement calling on the Saudi government to give a complete and detailed account of Khashoggi’s disappearance, adding that those found to be responsible must be held to account.

    Riyadh vowed to hit back against any action. “The kingdom affirms its total rejection of any threats and attempts to undermine it, whether through economic sanctions, political pressure or repeating false accusations,” it said.

    “The kingdom also affirms that if it is [targeted by] any action, it will respond with greater action.” The statement also pointed out that the oil-rich kingdom “plays an effective and vital role in the world economy”.

    The Saudi response came after the Tadawul exchange in Riyadh dropped by 7% at one point on Sunday, the week’s first day of trading in Saudi Arabia, with 182 of its 186 listed stocks showing losses by early afternoon. The market later pulled back some of the losses.

    Business leaders as well as media companies including Bloomberg and CNN have pulled out of an investment conference next week in Riyadh, dubbed “Davos in the desert”.

    The belligerence of the Saudi statement is likely to anger US senators pressing for the Trump administration to take tough economic action against Riyadh, including sanctions.

    It showed no sign of contrition or clarification of the promise last week to conduct an inquiry into Khashoggi’s disappearance. Instead, Riyadh condemned a “campaign of false allegations and falsehoods”. In what is likely to be a reference to Turkey, and possibly its Gulf rival Qatar, Saudi Arabia claimed some were “rushing and seeking to exploit rumours and accusations to achieve goals and agendas unrelated to the search for truth”.

    Saudi Arabia’s vast oil reserves, said to be about 260bn barrels, give it enormous clout in the global economy. It has significant power to drive up prices, which would hurt every major developed economy.

    Riyadh is the world’s second-biggest arms importer after India, and 61% of its imports come from the US, supporting thousands of jobs. Trump signed a $110bn (£84bn) defence agreement last year, which stands to benefit US employers such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing and General Electric.

    Turki Aldhakhil, the general manager of Al Arabiya, the official Saudi news channel, claimed in an opinion piece that Riyadh was ready to implement 30 measures “without flinching” the moment US sanctions were imposed, including cuts to oil production that could lead to prices rising to $100 a barrel.

    “The truth is that if Washington imposes sanctions on Riyadh, it will stab its own economy to death, even though it thinks that it is stabbing only Riyadh,” he wrote.

    Aldhakhil warned the repercussions of US sanctions could include a military alliance between Saudi Arabia and Russia, and an end to intelligence sharing.

    In the firmest joint language to appear from Europe since the crisis broke, the European foreign ministers said “light must be shed on Khashoggi’s disappearance”.

    They said they shared the “grave concerns” expressed by the UN secretary general, António Guterres, and “are treating this incident with the utmost seriousness. There needs to be a credible investigation to establish the truth about what happened, and – if relevant – to identify those bearing responsibility for the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi and ensure that they are held to account.”

    The statement added: “We encourage joint Saudi-Turkish efforts in that regard, and expect the Saudi government to provide a complete and detailed response. We have conveyed this message directly to the Saudi authorities.”

    Over the weekend, Turkey pressed the UK to use its influence to ensure Saudi Arabia abides by its commitment to launch a joint investigation into Khashoggi’s disappearance.

    The Turkish foreign minister, Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, is due to meet his British counterpart, Jeremy Hunt, in London on Monday afternoon. He complained that Saudi Arabia was not allowing Turkish investigators to enter the consulate.

    Speaking on Sunday, Hunt said: “What they need to do is cooperate fully with the investigations … and to get to the bottom of this.

    “If, as they say, this terrible murder didn’t happen then where is Jamal Khashoggi? If they have got nothing to hide then they will, and should, cooperate.”

    The UK also suggested the international trade secretary, Liam Fox, may withdraw from the investment conference if it is shown the Saudi government was involved in the suspected murder.

    The official UK position is that Fox’s diary for that week is yet to be finalised. Any British action is likely to be coordinated with the US.

    Speaking at the weekend, Trump said – without being specific – there were “very powerful” things the west could do to hurt the Saudis, but stopping arms sales would in the end be America punishing itself.

    “There’s something really terrible and disgusting about that [Khashoggi’s suspected murder], if that was the case, so we’re going to have to see. We’re going to get to the bottom of it and there will be severe punishment,” he said.

    Democratic senators on the US foreign relations committee said classified intelligence briefings suggested Khashoggi had been murdered by the Saudis or rendered back to Saudi Arabia.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-to-uk-to-persuade-saudi-arabia-to-cooperate
     
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    What's the plan? Suck American balls harder
     
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    6 October 2018

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    Consulate Saudi Arabia In Istanbul #, open its doors to the media this evening, to refute allegations of detention of # Jamal_khashoggi. # MBS said: "We have nothing to hide"

    The tour included every place in the consulate up, the control room, the reception hall for the reviewers, kitchens, bathrooms, warehouses, and guard rooms. ..


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    :crazy::crazy::coffee::coffee:
    They have lifted their abayah To Trump for a tune of $110 Billion, now after the death of Kashugly, they will lower their skivvies to him again to save they kingdom of doom...The Sauds are going to bleed dollars...Allah loves Trump..!
     
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  5. Sineva

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    [LOL!]Balls??......,I think you left out the c0ck and *** sucking as well,probably the one sole thing that the gulfies can actually do well.[LOL!]

    And trump loves being fellated....or is it spanked by **** stars..?,still I dont suppose it matters as whatever it is the saudis,like all good little vassals,can always be counted on to debase themselves to keep america happy.
     
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    Because he is in Saudi Arabia already.
     
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    By "he" I take it you mean his dismembered butchered remains?
     
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    I dont believe in his death, i think he got smuggled out of the country either throught diplomatic cargo or by other means (Land, Sea) but nothing is impossible though.

    Im just curious whether the Apple Watch recordings exist or ever get released.
     
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    Thats what you deserve for sinking 100s of billions into US.
     
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    Very good,now lets allow a forensics team in there to have a very,very good look in detail,as it is very hard to hide all trace of a violent murder and dismemberment.As the old saying goes:Every contact leaves a trace,and if the saudis are as incompetent at murder as they are at virtually everything else that they do then there should be plenty of traces of the crime.
     
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    He is dead but saudis gave erdogan dozen of billions dollars to hide his dead.

    The wealth of a country is being spent to hell for a dictatorship family.

    It is a good deal for Turkey though.
     
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    Yes,that will be very interesting indeed,if it is released and I imagine the turks will be under enormous pressure to do so,and it does show that he was attacked or even murdered then the saudis are going to be in some very,very hot water indeed.
    This was the sort of arrogant stupidity I would have typically expected from the israelis,either that or the "dont give a fvck what the world thinks" attitude of the dprk.....,still the saudis probably think that with chump in power they can pretty much do what they want.....the silly boys.:crazy:

    Then I`d be wanting my money back if I was stinky old al saud:azn:,cause I think old erdo just ripped them off.:haha:
     
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    Well he was apparently by far not the first one to disappear.



    Just look at all the princes who got arrested and stripped off their wealth earlier this year and you get and idea about how Saudi state apparatus works.
    Its like DPRK with money.
     
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  14. Sineva

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    Indeed!,tho I must admit even I didnt think they`d be so blatant as to grab someone from a consulate in another country....
    They were either very desperate or very dumb or both.What you do in your own country is one thing,but doing that in someone elses country?:disagree:.....dumb!,very,very dumb!....even by saudi standards:agree:
     
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    It seems sanctions are on the way so Salman started licking Turkey to keep buying armament when likely sanctions knock their doors. Btw, Turkey have all evidence to prove Cemal Kaşıkçı is killed by Saudi team. It is around possibility Salman wants to keep Turkey on its side not to reveal the facts.

     
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