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What's the tail number on that aircraft? I can't tell very well, is it 9760? At first I thought it was an Iraqi F-16.
It appears to be 9760, and I identify an F-16 as an Egyptian though the one tone grey camouflage - sometimes w/ red stripes. An ideal camo IMO.
 

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It appears to be 9760, and I identify an F-16 as an Egyptian though the one tone grey camouflage - sometimes w/ red stripes. An ideal camo IMO.
That's right, the Iraqi ones do have the 2-tone grey unlike this one. And the fact that it doesn't have the orange swaths on it makes it most certainly part of the EAF Aggressor squadron. Good to see one of them there ready to participate in this very cool and Arab organized training center. I hope they update us with videos of some of the training missions etc.
 

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Great to see, this man Muhammad bin Salman is really visionary..... Long live to KSA..... Those who are against KSA must stay away from my post, they are like brothers. We helped each other in many ways current misunderstanding will be vanished soon.
 

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it is nice to see that muslim world is just awakening to industry, late but better than nothing
Muslim world? Saudi Arabia represents the Muslim world? It represents exactly the opposite of a Muslim world; kingdom, hypocrisy, opportunistic regime handed down father to son with family financial considerations and interests above and beyond the entire Islamic world.
 

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You got the idea _as usual_..It is the ME Red Flag-like training center with international participants.. a very good idea to learn from the best including the EAF..It is very exciting to see the Rafale, F-15, SU-35, Mig-35, Tornado, Typhoon, F-16. Mirage 2k, F-18, F-35.. all training with each other.. and with international best air forces' participants..This is going to be a value plus plus to the Arab world air forces and all participants in general..
In my opinion, this is NOT good news for us. The Saudi's have been supporting India over Pakistan for many years now and it wouldn't surprise me if they invite IAF for training missions over PAF!!!
 

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Muslim world? Saudi Arabia represents the Muslim world? It represents exactly the opposite of a Muslim world; kingdom, hypocrisy, opportunistic regime handed down father to son with family financial considerations and interests above and beyond the entire Islamic world.
i didnt say they represent muslim world, i said a general statement for muslim world that saud is one of them, saudies should get rid of their wahhabi mentality and loose government rules, no one is dare to criticize government there. if there is no freedom then no rising civilization.
 

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In my opinion, this is NOT good news for us. The Saudi's have been supporting India over Pakistan for many years now and it wouldn't surprise me if they invite IAF for training missions over PAF!!!
That is the problem that Pakistan faces. The unthinkable has happened, the real risk that Saudia Arabia will give PAF secrets to the Indian airforce through exercises.

Lets hope the Saudi Airforce is stupid, and not learnt anything...
 

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In my opinion, this is NOT good news for us. The Saudi's have been supporting India over Pakistan for many years now and it wouldn't surprise me if they invite IAF for training missions over PAF!!!
Why all these negative and childish comments from some Pakistani brothers..knowing for sure that PAF will participate in these trainings alongside many others..
 

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Why all these negative and childish comments from some Pakistani brothers..knowing for sure that PAF will participate in these trainings alongside many others..
I keep wondering when dreamers will snap out of their wishful dreams and put 2 and 2 together. As if abandoning us at FATF which led to our Grey Listing, awarding the highest Civilian awards to Indian leader, investing Billions of USD in India, supporting India over Kashmir etc. is still not enough!!!!
 

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Oh surprise - no Pakistani there.. and here some fanboys continue to claim “The Saudis cannot start their engines without us”.

Good going Saudis - to become a truly independent military power and industrial base. Learn knowledge and then keep it in house so in 15 years there is no longer need for western or eastern or any other subject matter expert or contractor in KSA.
 

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I keep wondering when dreamers will snap out of their wishful dreams and put 2 and 2 together. As if abandoning us at FATF which led to our Grey Listing, awarding the highest Civilian awards to Indian leader, investing Billions of USD in India, supporting India over Kashmir etc. is still not enough!!!!
It would be the best development for Pakistanis, they need to be left utterly alone, isolated, hungry, helpless to realize that their rotten culture of self importance and grandeur needs revolutionary changes.
 

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It would be the best development for Pakistanis, they need to be left utterly alone, isolated, hungry, helpless to realize that their rotten culture of self importance and grandeur needs revolutionary changes.
Jo bat hai.
Dehati soch, Le dobe gi hamein.

Yehi haal Pakistani aurton ka hai, Janti hain ke aur koi option nai mard ke pas, So, Nakhray barh jatay hain inke. Yehi aurtay do takay ki hojati hai dosray mumalik mein jahan kam nakhray wali khawateen maujood hain, aur itrati kam hain.

Just an example —-
 

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That's really great. Long time coming and if there is any country in the ME that should be having this setup, it's Saudiya for sure. With all the space, funding, technology, equipment and capabilities, it's nothing short of the perfect scenario for all Arab air forces to come to and train in the best and latest, from tactics to technology.



Tremendous. This will only get bigger as time goes by and it develops into a bigger and more successful operation.



This is basically the Red Flag of the ME. Not really the naval version of FighterTown at NAS Miramar (better known as Top Gun lol) which then became Marine Corps Station at Miramar, but more like what they do at Red Flag with very complex flight operations and training. This should be really exciting to keep an eye on its development and its success with who participates, especially from Arab air forces as well as foreign ones, too.



Now this is pretty interesting as the ones that stick out immediately are the French Rafale and the Aussie F/A-18 Hornet. The Moroccan and Iraqi F-16 not so much, of course, but this is exactly what I was referring to is the variety of participants should make this very exciting.

In Egypt the EAF created an in-house aggressor unit to be part of the developmental stages of the pilots and they used half of the last batch of F-16s block 52s to create that squadron that employs the longest and best standing F-16 pilots in the EAF to fly against. They have packages of operations they use and all the aircraft fight and train against them, but that's much more locally constrained to the EAF and no other outside air forces participate in any of that specific training. But this, here, is such a great idea and the fact that it has come to fruition is even more impressive, especially the electronic warfare portion of the training they intend to do.

I hope you keep up the news on this thread about this, SC, Bro. It'll be great to see who comes and goes and what else they do and see more pics etc. :tup:
Your right, Saudi version of Nellis. The EW and C4ISR (especially the networking and AI) will be worth keeping an eye on.
 

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His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz, Crown Prince, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defense, laid the foundation stone for the project to establish an air war center, during his visit today to King Abdulaziz Air Base in the eastern sector.

His Highness the Crown Prince reviewed an introductory film about the Air War Center, and the advanced capacity it provides to train aircrew, technical and support, in a reality similar to modern warfare, and what the center will contribute to in terms of developing and updating combat plans against potential threats, developing and evaluating the capabilities of the Air Force, and standardizing concepts. Combat doctrines, testing and evaluation of systems and weapons and their effectiveness and impact.

The Air War Center will support the combat readiness of the Air Force, and carry out joint and mixed exercises with many brotherly and friendly countries, in addition to training in an advanced electronic warfare environment, to use and evaluate effective combat tactics and methods, by enabling the Air Force specialists to read the results in A reality similar to the reality of real battles.

The air war center consists of the center’s headquarters building, which includes a main gate to the center with security requirements, hangars for aircraft maintenance, technical staff offices, ground equipment warehouse, service facilities, sun umbrellas for 24 aircraft, a parking lot for aircraft, side lanes, and an electronic war zone.







Establishing an air war center along the lines of the American model requires a squadron (aggressor). hopefully to benefit from the F-5 to play this role, knowing that the US Department of Defense itself wants to purchase 22 used P-5s for the US Navy for training operations..



I think the Saudis recognize the importance of this as its not enough to just have the individual elements like aircraft, munitions, electronics, etc. but its the bringing together of these as a whole eco system to wage air warfare and to link it the the larger strategic battlefield objects.

In the coming years it can be a game changer for them.

One question, doesn't RSAF still have F-5's in service? If so then perhaps some of those can be used for the aggressor role?
 

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I think the Saudis recognize the importance of this as its not enough to just have the individual elements like aircraft, munitions, electronics, etc. but its the bringing together of these as a whole eco system to wage air warfare and to link it the the larger strategic battlefield objects.

In the coming years it can be a game changer for them.

One question, doesn't RSAF still have F-5's in service? If so then perhaps some of those can be used for the aggressor role?
Any indication the Saudis plan to “indiginize” the datalink and C4ISR technologies. If they can achieve that, then their capabilities will truly be more then the sum of their parts.

BTW, is all of this just to take on Iran? Seems overkill or do they not plan to take any chances considering how disastrously the Yemeni campaign has been going. Are the Saudis planning on taking on Turkey in Libya or do their own WoT against non-state actors in Arab counties like Somalia and Mali alongside the Europeans and Americans.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Saudis build a base in Djibouti, or at least have landing rights at the US or French base there.

Indigenous production of munitions, or at least increasing the number of suppliers will also help them avoid the threat of sanctions from western public opinion, for what that’s worth.

This may also be an effort for the Saudis to finally break from their dependence on foreign pilots and maintenance staff; not just the Pakistanis but the Europeans and Americans. Although that is easier said then done.
 

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