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There are terrible videos spreading in social networks. Rest in peace all those who lost their lives. I wish immediate healing to the wounded. My deepest condolences to PDF's Iraqi members and families of all victims. Words cannot even begin to express my sorrow.

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The great Iranian interference we should be thankful for, the country full of rat militia's.
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Sadr used to hide in Iran not so long ago, nowadays if you hid in Iran you are eligible to run for Iraqi minister as it proves you were against Saddam.

I say we need a return of the Saddamists, those in prison should be released to rule.
 

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The great Iranian interference we should be thankful for, the country full of rat militia's.
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Sadr used to hide in Iran not so long ago, nowadays if you hid in Iran you are eligible to run for Iraqi minister as it proves you were against Saddam.

I say we need a return of the Saddamists, those in prison should be released to rule.

You are crazy man. But what do you know about Allawi? The new PM candidate. Kurds seem to like him
 

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I say we need a return of the Saddamists, those in prison should be released to rule.

Your country will never return to that state. I think the likes of Iran will let Iraq be split into 3 different parts before allowing some "saddamist" to rule over a whole Iraq again.
 

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Iraq and Lebanon should use Presidential system so that people have chance to choose their own leader.
 

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Iraq and Lebanon should use Presidential system so that people have chance to choose their own leader.
Saddam had the calibre to hold the country together. Iraq might need some sort of temporary authoritarian system and then can gradually shift to a democratic system.
 

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this has nothing to do with Iran.... Iraqis protested, and got a change In government.... what else do they want? give the government time to work and if it fails protest again or something...

protesting for the sake of protesting just brings anarchy...

Soleimani, and Iran backed militias saved Iraq from ISIS... even the americans admit it. The Iraqi army disintegrated and ISIS was steamrolling everyone when the US and Saudis were laughing and talking about "sunni oppression from maliki to blame"

how fast people forget...

 
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Saddam had the calibre to hold the country together. Iraq might need some sort of temporary authoritarian system and then can gradually shift to a democratic system.

The country is already democratic, that doesn't mean it's not corrupt. We've witnessed many shifts of prime ministers in Iraq since 2003, something that would only happen with a coup and bloodshed prior to 2003.

The issue with an authoritarian leader is that usually.. that authoritarian leader happens to be insane and will lead the country eventually to a war, which will result in destruction.
 

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The country is already democratic, that doesn't mean it's not corrupt. We've witnessed many shifts of prime ministers in Iraq since 2003, something that would only happen with a coup and bloodshed prior to 2003.

The issue with an authoritarian leader is that usually.. that authoritarian leader happens to be insane and will lead the country eventually to a war, which will result in destruction.
So what do u envision for your country? A new consititution may be? New power sharing agreement between various sects.
 

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this has nothing to do with Iran
I do believe Iran's influence in Iraq is exagerated, the US has far much bigger influence, for example the US could easly kill AlSadr right now if they want to, so yeah I do think this has nothing to do with Iran, Iran already has enough problems & that's why they are trying to stay out of it, they don't want to take sides (at least not openly).

Iraqis protested, and got a change In government.... what else do they want?
changing the face of the ruler is not enough, what is needed is regime change.

protesting for the sake of protesting just brings anarchy...

the current regime is anarchy itself, especially since the rulers have their own gangs that kill civilians who dare to ask for simple things such as electricity, clean drinking water etc... therefore taking it down would bring order.

Soleimani, and Iran backed militias saved Iraq from ISIS... even the americans admit it. The Iraqi army disintegrated and ISIS was steamrolling everyone when the US and Saudis were laughing and talking about "sunni oppression from maliki to blame"

the main fighting force against ISIS was not that one guy Soleimani or the current ruling militias but it was volunteers from the civilian population, they were the real Hashid & after ISIS was defeated they simply went back to their daily lives.
for sure groups such as Asaib Ahl AlHaq & others did greatly help against ISIS & have even acted as a spear head, however if any militia thinks that contributing against ISIS gives them the right to kill & kidnap civilians who protest against corruption then they are terribly mistaken.
 
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PMU took a supportive holding force role, holding and securing areas liberated by the army and ISOF in post 2015 operations

2014-2015, PMU was responsible for a majority of operations. That changed in mid 2015 during the Tikrit operation, since then army, ISOF, federal police and ERD led all battles.

So it can be described as a joint effort, however Pmu made the Mosul operation much harder by cutting off the western exit and besieging the city outside of the actual battle plan. Why? So they don't go to Syria. Not that Syria cared much to do the same in Deir Al Zour operation
 

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