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Iraq didn't lose against Iran. Shiites took power whom are Iran friendly. If Iraqis closed the door to Iran Iran would have no influence similarly to how Turkey and Saudi can do little in Baghdad.

Losing a conventional war against the US is not a shame, you would all lose. It makes us Chads that we disobey rules and went to war against them.

Pakistan despite its massive population would be crying in front of America.

Crying? Is that why US didn't dare to invade us despite we kept helping anti US forces in Afghanistan for 20 years? You so called chads couldn't even protect your Nuclear Program which once got bombed by Iran and later finished off by the Zionists.

Iraq has been a Shia stronghold since the beginning. Since your Saddam wasn't even born. Even before Ummayads could set their foot or the Abbasids. You junkies can try as much as you can but today you people are treated as junkies in Europe because you decided to run away taking advantage of the war. Your women are mostly dating the smelly white Europeans because they wanna set their future along or at least get recognized.
The problem with these IRGC backed militias is that they cause economical failure in each country they set foot on and they are an eternal parasite and sometimes I have seen their Iranian handlers just resigning because they can't control these militias


Saddam never lost a war to Iran come again:lol:.. You said Iraq is forever a Shia Stronghold? there is no such thing as shia stronghold Iraq is a failed state and bound to politically change for the better by either foreign interference or just locally besides.. Besides is that not blatant sectrian post. Iraq is the seat of Abbasid throne someone can be passing thru but thats about it is off-limits.. Including Iran itself is off-limits for auction meaning they will have to re-enter the body either willing or by force eventually.. Not out of hate but out of love we are one and the same destined together

Failed State? Dude it's existing since your 19th century Wahabi or Deobandi movements came into existence or the so-called state of Afghanistan. If you knew some history, you'd know that Iraq has been a Shia breeding ground since the caliphate of Usman.

Saddam never lost? Ah..here comes the anaLysT then.

Failing to capture an inch of Iranian land despite having US/Soviet/Arab support, fighting for a decade. He couldn't even achieve 0.01% percent of his objective and you're telling me that he didn't lose? 😂😂
 
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we used F-14 without USA support , for the record F-14 need 8 hours of maintenance for each flying hours . that say a lot about the logistic of using it but I'm sure you cant understand that

Once the US decided to tackle Iran's navy, your navy was deleted in a matter of, was it days? in operation Praying Mantis.

Your victories (Iraq).. are results of American decisions, as are your defeats (Soleimani's deletion). Which makes you insignificant. I find it amusing we have some horde of Tahroon strong gang here, if Iran was to invade Iraq and occupy its cities it would suffer so many casualties it wouldn't be able to sustain LOL.
 

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Failed State? Dude it's existing since your 19th century Wahabi or Deobandi movements came into existence or the so-called state of Afghanistan. If you knew some history, you'd know that Iraq has been a Shia breeding ground since the caliphate of Usman.

Saddam never lost? Ah..here comes the anaLysT then.

Failing to capture an inch of Iranian land despite having US/Soviet/Arab support, fighting for a decade. He couldn't even achieve 0.01% percent of his objective and you're telling me that he didn't lose? 😂😂

It is a failed state.. Besides not sure who are calling Wahabi because there is no such thing just qouting myth. Saddam was outnumbered by Ze-Iranians and most of the fight was fought inside Iranian territories and he did not lose conventionally nor stragetically. It was a tactical stalemate after a grinding 8 years and yes I wouldn't say the Iranians lost either but just being frank with you it was a tactical stalemate and they outnumbered saddam besides dude was weak as we have seen in later wars. which doesn't make both sides look good in hindsight..

This is the public official stance

I agree it was a shia breeding ground but never really was a mainstay ruling element but may have made a good portion of the populace
 

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Iraq had to deal with Shias standing against the state, Kurds in the north rising up and deal with hordes of Basijis including children storming the battlefield. Syria to our west aiding Iran and the list goes on.

I should add, the notion that Iraq was facing greater domestic challenges than Iran isn't correct.

First of all, the religious denomination of Shia Iraqis tells only half the story. The other half is that Shia Iraqis are Arab, not Iranian (at least after Saddam's regime deported tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens with Persian and Fayli / Lori ancestry). And pan-Arab nationalist mobilization led by the Baath Party was in full steam. So going by nominal markers of identity, we're even here. No intrinsic advantage for Iran. Moreover, Tehran never played a Shia vs Sunni card, its discourse since 1979 has constantly been pan-Islamic. Iran presented the conflict as a battle between an anti-imperial Islamic revolution and a tyrant backed by both imperialist superpowers of the time (which is simply factual). While Saddam was trying to portray it as a continuation and repeat of some past wars between Arab and Iranian armies, hence his repeated references to Qadisiyah. None of the sides was pushing a sectarianist narrative.

Secondly, one can't argue that the Islamic Republic in Iran had it easier, being the early post-revolutionary polity that it was. Because states which only just experienced a popular revolution, are always gripped by internal turmoil and need some time before being able to assert control again. Iran was no exception, and that's precisely the reason why Saddam thought that Iran's domestic situation presented him with an opportunity to score a rapid victory by attempting an actual invasion.

Not only had the Iranian army gone through a purge, with shah-era generals executed and Air Force officers attempting coups such as the Nojeh plot in July 1980 (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nojeh_coup_plot /), Iran was also facing armed separatist uprisings. And not just in its Kurdish-speaking areas (well into the mid-1980's), but also in Torkaman Sahra to the northeast, where Fadayane Khalq communist guerillas were assisting Turkmen-speaking separatists, in some northern regions adjacent to the Caspian Sea (again with communist involvement) and in Sistan-Balochestan province to the southeast, while in the northwestern provincial capital of Tabriz, home to Azari-speakers, the supporters of grand-ayatollah Shariatmadari led a revolt against the young revolutionary government.

This is without mentioning the civil-war like episode of 1981-1982, after president Bani Sadr was removed by Majles (Parliament) and the terrorist MKO cult took up arms against the Islamic Republic (the same MKO terrorists who then fled to Iraq and betrayed their motherland by siding with Saddam during the war). This led among other things to scores of bombings and assassinations of leading figures of the Islamic Revolution such as ayatollah Beheshti, who played a central role in shaping the institutions of the IR, dozens of other members of the Islamic Republic Party, ayatollah Motahari, one of the main theorists and thinkers of the Revolution, ayatollah Qoddusi in Shiraz, another key actor of the Revolution, Iran's second President Mohammad-Ali Rajai, etc. There was even an assassination attempt on the current Supreme Leader, grand-ayatollah Khamenei, who lost a hand in the attack. In all, the MKO martyred some 11000 Iranians over the years.

So if Iraq had to cope with Kurdish rebels and Islamic opposition, Iran had even more on her plate. In addition to standard post-revolutionary chaos and institutional instability, as well as a government that was not as heavy handed as Saddam's in suppressing dissent.
 
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Once the US decided to tackle Iran's navy, your navy was deleted in a matter of, was it days? in operation Praying Mantis.

Your victories (Iraq).. are results of American decisions, as are your defeats (Soleimani's deletion). Which makes you insignificant. I find it amusing we have some horde of Tahroon strong gang here, if Iran was to invade Iraq and occupy its cities it would suffer so many casualties it wouldn't be able to sustain LOL.
well not exactly deleted , that war showed us you can't use American weapon against American and that harpoon sucks and even USA can't use that missile it happened at a time that we literally had no air force

and by the way martyrdom of mr. soleymani is an stain on the skirt of the people who cant protect their guest .
and why attack and occupy Iraq , that's so 18 century , these days wise people use other methods , only failure like Saddam try to occupy other people lands
 
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well not exactly deleted , that war showed us you can't use American weapon against American and that harpoon sucks and even USA can't use that missile it happened at a time that we literally had no air force

and by the way martyrdom of mr. soleymani is an stain on the skirt of the people who cant protect their guest .
and why attack and occupy Iraq , that's so 18 century , these days wise people use other methods , only failure like Saddam try to occupy other people lands

Soleimani is not a guest, who are you kidding. Iran bypasses Iraq's state in every way, infiltrates and spawns militia's.
USAF did Iraq a favour targeting Soleimani.

Today's Iraq's militias aren't there to serve Iran, they have their own interests separate from Iran, though that does not mean they're good, they happen to contain the lowest people of Iraq. They respected Soleimani, they don't respect your others.
 
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Iraq went from having $30 billion surplus economy in 1980 to being over $90 Billion indebt in 1988 plus the loss of at least 140 000 Iraqi lives without ANYTHING to show for it. The Iran Iraq war led directly to Iraq invading Kuwait that lead to the near total destruction of Iraq at the hands of its former "Allie" the U.S in two consecutive wars! To a dumb Baathist like Camel guy, that = Winning!!!
Persian boy, you fought against Iraq whilst Iraq is majority shiite, has a far smaller population and did not wield top American weaponry.

You had F-14's as well as Israeli TOW delivery to deal with Iraqi tanks.

Iraq had to deal with Shias standing against the state, Kurds in the north rising up and deal with hordes of Basijis including children storming the battlefield. Syria to our west aiding Iran and the list goes on.

Stop the sobbing already, you had many advantages


Today I see Arabs in most of Iraq, which is all that matters. LOL, who gives a shit about Cyrus the dead.
You really are stupid aren't you? It is not our fault that your equally stupid "Hero" Saddam Hussain thought he could invade Iran and win the war in 3 weeks with all the weaknesses that you yourself point to above!!!
 
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Soleimani is not a guest, who are you kidding. Iran bypasses Iraq's state in every way, infiltrates and spawns militia's.
USAF did Iraq a favour targeting Soleimani.

Today's Iraq's militias aren't there to serve Iran, they have their own interests separate from Iran, though that does not mean they're good, they happen to contain the lowest people of Iraq. They respected Soleimani, they don't respect your others.
mr. Soleymani was not a guest of Iraq, Say that to Barham Salih not me
 

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If Saddam comes back from the dead, he should know who the real enemy is. If he is not stupid, he will support the unity of Islamic countries and the formation of the Islamic Economic Cooperation Organization. Similar to the European Union, ASEAN, the African Union. Unite against foreign invasion. There wouldn't be so many refugees in the Islamic world today.
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France and Germany learned the lessons of the war and established the European Union. Why can't Islamic countries build economic alliances?
 
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Losing a conventional war against the US is not a shame, you would all lose. It makes us Chads that we disobey rules and went to war against them.

Pakistan despite its massive population would be crying in front of America.
Well you have some fair points. All countries on earth except for maybe Russia and China would lose a conventional war against the US. I agree there is no shame in losing to a superpower.

But "It makes us Chads that we disobey rules and went to war against them". What is that supposed to mean? It was the USA that went to war with Iraq not the other way around. Iraq was much better under Saddam. But the guy was a idiot. For example he ordered the Iraqi air force not to be used during the invasion? Your country is facing an all out invasion by 100k+ troops and you order your air force not be used.

"Pakistan despite its massive population would be crying in front of America". Well as you already said we would all lose :-) True, but one thing is for sure. Had it been so easy they would have invaded a long time ago. It was considered at one point by the Obama administration. But turned down.

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Well you have some fair points. All countries on earth except for maybe Russia and China would lose a conventional war against the US. I agree there is no shame in losing to a superpower.

But "It makes us Chads that we disobey rules and went to war against them". What is that supposed to mean? It was the USA that went to war with Iraq not the other way around. Iraq was much better under Saddam. But the guy was a idiot. For example he ordered the Iraqi air force not to be used during the invasion? Your country is facing an all out invasion by 100k+ troops and you order your air force not be used.

"Pakistan despite its massive population would be crying in front of America". Well as you already said we would all lose :-) True, but one thing is for sure. Had it been so easy they would have invaded a long time ago. It was considered at one point by the Obama administration. But turned down.

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We know. You only care about your dead retarded goat ****er from Tikrit! :omghaha:

Saddam's only mistakes is not finding a nuke to drop on Qom
 

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