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Russia’s frantic parade of lies

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    Russia’s frantic parade of lies

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    Russian President Vladimir Putin, right, and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Moscow on April 5. (Alexander Zemlianichenko/Pool via AP)

    Editorial Board April 16 at 7:41 PM

    RUSSIA LONGS to be taken seriously in matters of global affairs, but President Vladimir Putin has demonstrated his disdain for the rules-based post-World War II order. What does Russia want instead? In two recent incidents involving the use of outlawed chemicals, Russia’s answer has been a frantic parade of lies, bizarre explanations and attempts to distract from finding the truth.

    Russia was a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention, a treaty that prohibits “the development, production, acquisition, stockpiling, retention, transfer or use of chemical weapons.” Those are the rules that Russia agreed to abide by.

    On March 4, in the southern British town of Salisbury, a former Russian intelligence officer turned double agent, Sergei Skripal, and his daughter, Yulia, were discovered collapsed on a bench. An investigation by the British authorities and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons found they were poisoned by a binary nerve agent developed in the last years of the Soviet Union, known as the Novichok class. The OPCW noted that the poison was of “high purity.”


    No one has proved who did it. But Russia responded with a frenzy of blame-throwing, some of it patently ridiculous. A Russian member of parliament who once headed the Federal Security Service suggested the agent came from Ukraine. A Russian diplomat pointed to the Baltic states. A Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman said Russia never did work on Novichok but the countries that could have made it are “Great Britain, Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Sweden. The United States should also be suspected, as well.” Mr. Putin said, “It’s complete drivel, rubbish, nonsense that somebody in Russia would allow themselves to do such a thing ahead of elections and the World Cup.” “Was there even a poisoning at all?” asked Aleksey Pushkov, a prominent Russian politician. Such easily vanishing facts would make the KGB blush.

    The sad truth is that this fog drifts far and wide. Russia’s stock-in-trade is sowing doubt, most recently on behalf of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad. Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, said he had “irrefutable evidence” that the chemical weapons attack on Syrian civilians on April 7 was staged. A Russian defense ministry spokesman claimed that Britain was involved . Then the Russian ambassador to London said it had been staged by the White Helmets, brave humanitarians who save Syrians under the bombs, not drop them. The suggestion was a despicable untruth. It also says a lot about the new world disorder Russia is working to create.


     
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    Well novichoks are relatively unstable compounds. They disintegrate. How come high purity novichik substance was found 15 days after the incident?
    Novichoks are extremely toxic. How come skripal and his daughter are alive with latter now almost fully recovered?
    Lavrov said they have asked opcw to investigate if its possible for high purity novichik substance to be present after 15 days.
    Then why was russia accused by may and boris johnnson and russian diplomats expelled?
     
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    I don't trust news article posted by a well known lying jew.
     
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    That's your problem, isn't it? Discounting something simply because you don't like the messenger? By your logic, if I posted an article on gravity you wouldn't trust it and therefore you'd prefer to believe that when letting go of an apple it would stay still or fly upward.
     
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    Russia wants a soviet style heavy handed law-less order which is not acceptable to civilized world other than failed states run by dictators.
     
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    @Solomon2 watch this video of a kid who was in the chemical attack video...
     
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    Russia has finally lost her dignity in Syria and all for a genocidal maniac. Putin and his generals boasted of retaliation, didn't they? Where is the retaliation? Does anyone have any information about the mighty Russian military striking the source of the missile attack?
     
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    Well they might give s-300 to syria. Then israel won't be able to enter syrian airspace with impunity. That would be good retaliation for something which was a lot of noise with little long term effect.
     
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    Isn't it strange that after doing so much for uncle Putin the genocidal maniac hasn't yet received the S-400s ? You see even Putin knows that he's been defending the indefensible.
     
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    Russian forces in Syria were not attacked!

     
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    Putin had warned that if any of his allies were attacked he would strike back, he didn't say that if Russian forces were attacked.
     
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    WATCH Syrian Boy in White Helmets FAKE Chemical Attack Video Reveals Truth
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    22:35 18.04.2018(updated 22:41 18.04.2018) Get short URL
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    Earlier the White Helmets, a Western-backed NGO known for its ties with terrorist groups, released a video showing alleged victims of the false-flag chemical attack in Douma. The US and its allies used the video as a pre-text to conduct a missile strike on Syria.

    The Russia 24 TV channel released an exclusive interview on April 18 with a boy, who participated in filming a fake video, as evidence of the false-flag chemical attack in Douma by the White Helmets. In the interview, Hassan Diab says that he and his mother heard loud voices on the street, urging everyone to rush to the hospitals. When Hassan entered the hospital, unknown people grabbed him, poured water on him and then put him with other patients.

    "We were in the basement. Mom told me that today we don't have anything to eat and that we will eat tomorrow. We heard a cry outside, calling "go to the hospital." We ran to the hospital and as soon as I entered, they grabbed me and started pouring water on me," Hassan Diab said.

    His father continued the story. He was at his work when he heard that his son was in hospital. He rushed to the hospital and found his family there in good health. He added that he was on the street, smoking and didn't feel any chemical weapon. According to him, it turned out militants gave all the participants food — dates, cookies and rice — and then released them.

    "There were no chemical weapons. I smoked outside and felt nothing. I entered the hospital and saw my family. Militants gave them dates, cookies and rice for participating in this film and released everyone to their homes," Hassan's father said.


    READ MORE: WATCH Ex-Pink Floyd Member Slams Syria's White Helmets as 'Terrorist Propaganda'

    The TV channel also broadcast an interview with a doctor who was in the hospital when the White Helmets filmed their fake video. He said that no patients with signs of chemical weapons-related injuries arrived that day, but there were many people with respiratory problems due to smoke and dust from the recent bombing. All doctors were busy taking care of them and didn't have time to react to the White Helmets' film crew.

    The White Helmets is a Syrian NGO, financed by several Western countries, which is associated with staging and filming false-flag chemical attacks. They have been seen several times working with terrorist groups in Syria.

    READ MORE: WATCH Douma Doctor Blow Lid Off White Helmets' 'Chemical Attack' Claims

    On April 9 the group published another video suggesting that doctors in one of the Douma hospitals were treating patients that had suffered from the chemical attack and accused Damascus of the ordeal. However, the information that later surfaced, as well as witness testimonies, demonstrated that it was staged, performed by the White Helmets.

    READ MORE: Syrian Army Discovers White Helmets' Filming Site in Eastern Ghouta

    Immediately after the alleged attack, Moscow dispatched its chemical corps to determine whether there was an actual attack and if there were victims in need of treatment. The Russian crew didn't find any traces of chemical weapons or any victims in the nearby hospital. Moscow and Damascus invited the OPCW to come to Douma and investigate the incident.

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804181063698154-syrian-boy-reveals-truth-helmets/

    Russian/ Iranian retaliation cannot be ruled out. It can happen at any moment.
    Killing Israeli soldiers is not a big deal for Russia or Iran. They are weighing a response. Iran would absolutely respond to the T-4 attack as it killed Iranian nationals.

     
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    Well sergey lavrov said in a recent bbc hardtalk interview that previously russia did not give s-300 to syria 'at the request of our western partners'.
    Anyway what do dou think of the video I posted?
     
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    The west requests and Russia accepts. So who is Russia's ally, the genocidal regime in Syria or the west?
     
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    Not an AFP story! The parade continues....

    Anyway what do dou think of the video I posted?[/QUOTE]Not gonna bother w/Russian propaganda. If you do want something of a more anti-Western slant you might want to check out Robert Fisk over at the Independent, he's more into selective facts than outright lies (except when it comes to Zionists and America, as he could scarcely preserve his access to dictator-terrorist regime sources otherwise.)