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April 1 footage:


April 2 footage:


Bucha residents are disclosing what happened:




Keep in mind the fact that Ukrainians civilians are/were fighting Russian forces in different sectors as well.

Putin administration had its own perception of Ukrainian politics and how Ukrainians will receive Russian forces across the country. Russians thought that Zelenskyy administration was a NATO plant and unpopular - they were proven wrong. Putin administration acted on faulty intel and flawed perception.

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Russian forces lost the war around Kyiv and had no choice but to retreat.


Ukraine Massacres Civilians in Bucha Then Blames it on Russia - Video Explanation​

Spoiler - Graphic:

Bear in mind that USA is ruled by pathological liars:
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Russians didn't do Bucha, Brits framed them up.

Remember the casualties that Russians tolerated during their retreat from northern Ukraine. Why did it happen, was because of avoiding civilian casualties by Russians. Russians should have bombed every damn inch of the retreated area but they didn't and eventuallly lost tens of men and military hardwares. Their columns were located in civilian areas hence the hard retreat.


Brits the habitual liars, told similar lie in case of Syria and the white helmets a branch of Al-Qaeda that became the main source of British propaganda against SAA, Syria and Iran.

Anglos are called "Perfidious Albion" for a reason.
 
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I am surprised they haven't claimed that Putin was on that sunken ship :cheesy:

April 1 footage:


April 2 footage:


Bucha residents are disclosing what happened:




Keep in mind the fact that Ukrainians civilians are/were fighting Russian forces in different sectors as well.

Putin administration had its own perception of Ukrainian politics and how Ukrainians will receive Russian forces across the country. Russians thought that Zelenskyy administration was a NATO plant and unpopular - they were proven wrong. Putin administration acted on faulty intel and flawed perception.

- - -

Russian forces lost the war around Kyiv and had no choice but to retreat.

You do realize that videos can be doctored and people lied in war ? remember that nurse from Kuwait ? there is a reason they say Truth is the first causality of war.
 

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I don't know what your problem is and you don't understand others easily,but I have repeatedly told you that it's not about Putin,but Russia coming back as Holy Rus at some point.

There's no support for "Putinism",I've repeatedly told you that I don't know who and when will restore Russia to its former glory. Will it be the foretold Saintly King? The one the Russians call the "Last Orthodox Tsar"? Will it be someone else before him? I don't know. But what we do know,as has been foretold by Saints and Elders is that after the fall of communism,at some point:

6. Monk Abel the Prophet (+1831).
In a conversation with Tsar Paul I (+1801), after prophesying the destinies of all the Tsars from Paul I to Nicholas II:

"What is impossible for man is possible for God. God delays with His help, but it is said that He will give it soon and will raise the horn of Russian salvation. And there will arise a great prince from your race in exile, who stands for the sons of his people. He will be a chosen one of God, and on his head will be blessing. He will be the only one comprehensible to all, the very heart of Russia will sense him. His appearance will be sovereign and radiant, and nobody will say: 'The Tsar is here or there', but all will say: 'That’s him'. The will of the people will submit to the mercy of God, and he himself will confirm his calling. His name has occurred three times in Russian history. Two of the same name have already been on the throne, but not on the Tsar's throne. But he will sit on the Tsar's throne as the third. In him will be the salvation and happiness of the Russian realm."

"Russian hopes will be realized upon [the cathedral of Hagia] Sophia in Tsargrad [Constantinople]; the Orthodox Cross will gleam again; Holy Rus will be filled with the smoke of incense and prayer, and will blossom like a heavenly lily."

7. St. Seraphim of Sarov (+1833):

"Everything that bears the label of 'Decembrists', 'Reformers' and, in a word, belongs to 'the party for the betterment of life' is genuine anti-Christianity, which, in evolving, will bring about the destruction of Christianity and, in part, of Orthodoxy, upon the earth; and which finally will end with the enthronement of the Antichrist over all the nations of the world, except Russia. She will come together into a single united body with the other Slavic nations and comprise a huge ocean 'one mighty realm, fearsome to the foes of Christ' before which all the other tribes of the earth will quail in fear. And this is as sure as 2+2=4."


12. St. John of Kronstadt (+1908):

"I foresee the restoration of a powerful Russia, still stronger and mightier than before. On the bones of these martyrs, remember, as on a strong foundation, will the new Russia we built - according to the old model; strong in her faith in Christ God and in the Holy Trinity! And there will be, in accordance with the covenant of the holy Prince Vladimir, a single Church! Russian people have ceased to understand what Rus is: it is the footstool of the Lord's Throne! The Russian person must understand this and thank God that he is Russian."

14. Martyr-Eldress Duniushka of Siberia (+1918):

"Russia will be supreme in the world. Her name will be 'Holy Rus'. All sects and religions will pour into Orthodoxy . But Orthodoxy, and -- essentially speaking -- religion, will draw closer to what it was in Apostolic times. . . . In those centuries to come, there will no longer be any tsars or kings. In 'Holy Rus' a Prince will reign, who will come from the nation that gave us our religion [i.e., Byzantium]. He will be a supremely spiritual person, who will provide the opportunity for uplifting the moral fibre and the spiritual principles of the nation.

"In the course of one of those centuries, Asia will bestir herself; she will try to penetrate into Europe, but her attempts will be futile. No one will ever overcome 'Holy Rus', and only through her will salvation come to the world."

16. Elder Anatolius (Potapov) of Optina (+1922):

"There will be a storm. And the Russian ship will be destroyed. Yes, it will happen, but, you know, people can be saved on splinters and wreckage. Not all, not all will perish..." But he also prophesied that canonical unity would be restored: "A great miracle of God will be revealed. And all the splinters and wreckage will, by the will of God and His might, be gathered together and united, and the ship will be recreated in its beauty and will go along the path foreordained for it by God. That's how it will be, a miracle manifest to all..."

18. Elder Nectarius of Optina (+1928):

"Russia will arise, and materially she will not be wealthy. But in spirit she will be wealthy, and in Optina there will yet be seven luminaries, seven pillars."

21. Archbishop Theophan of Poltava (+1940):

"The coming of the Antichrist draws nigh and is very near. But before the coming of the Antichrist Russia must yet be restored - to be sure, for a short time. And in Russia there must be a Tsar forechosen by the Lord Himself. He will be a man of burning faith, great mind and iron will. This much has been revealed about him....

"He will not be a Romanov, but he will be of the Romanovs according to the maternal line."

"I do not speak from myself. But that which I have heard from the God-inspired elders, that I have passed on... The Lord will have mercy on Russia for the sake of the small remnant of true believers. In Russia, the elders said, in accordance with the will of the people, the Monarchy, Autocratic power, will be re-established. The Lord has forechosen the future Tsar. He will be a man of fiery faith, having the mind of a genius and a will of iron. First of all he will introduce order in the Orthodox Church, removing all the untrue, heretical and lukewarm hierarchs. And many, very many - with few exceptions, all - will be deposed, and new, true, unshakeable hierarchs will take their place. He will be of the family of the Romanovs according to the female line. Russia will be a powerful state, but only for 'a short time'... And then the Antichrist will come into the world, with all the horrors of the end as described in the Apocalypse."

22. Hieroschemamonk Seraphim (Vyritsky) of Moscow (+1942):

"When the East will get stronger, everything will become shaky. Numbers are on their side. But not only that: they have sober workers and industrious people, while there is such drunkenness with us. There will come a time when Russia will be torn into pieces. At first they will divide it, and then they will begin to steal its wealth. The West will do everything to help the destruction of Russia and for a time will give its eastern part to China. The Far East will fall into the hands of Japan, and Siberia - to the Chinese, who will begin to move into Russia, marry Russian women and in the end by cunning and craftiness will seize the territory of Siberia as far as the Urals. But when China will want to go further, the West will resist and will not allow it. The East will be baptised in Russia. The whole heavenly world, together with those on earth, understand this, and pray for the enlightenment of the East."

23. Elder Theodosius (Kashin) of Minvody (+1948), shortly after the outbreak of war with Germany in 1941:

"Do you really think that that was the war (1941-45)?! The war is still to come. It will begin from the east. And then from all sides, like locusts, the enemies will spread over Russia... That will be the war!"

The elder said that the collapse of Russia, in spite of her apparent strength and the cruelty of the authorities, would take place very quickly. At first the Slavic peoples will be split off, then the Union republics will fall away: the Baltic, Central Asia and Caucasian republics and Moldavia. After this central power in Russia will weaken still more, so that autonomous republics and regions will begin to separate themselves. Then a great collapse will take place: the power of the Centre will cease to be recognized de facto by the autonomous regions, which will try to live independently and will no longer pay any attention to orders from Moscow. The greatest tragedy will be the seizure of Siberia by China. This will not take place through military means: in consequence of the weakening of the authorities and the open frontiers, masses of Chinese will move into Siberia, will snap up property, enterprises and flats. By means of bribery, intimidation and agreements with the authorities, they will gradually take control of the economic life of the towns. Everything will take place in such a way that one morning the Russians living in Siberia will wake up in a Chinese state. The destiny of those who remain there will be tragic, but not hopeless.

The West will assist this creeping conquest of our land and in every way support the military and economic might of China out of hatred for Russia. But then they will see the danger for themselves, and when the Chinese try to conquer the Urals, this time by military might, and go even further, they will by all means hinder this and will even be able to help Russia in deflecting the invasion from the East. Russia must stand her ground in this battle; after sufferings and complete impoverishment she will find in herself the strength to recover. And the coming regeneration will begin in the lands conquered by the enemies, in the midst of Russians left in the former republics of the Union. There Russian people will realise what they have lost, will recognise themselves to be citizens of that Fatherland which is still alive, and will want to help her rise from the ashes. Many Russians living abroad will begin to help the re-establishment of life in Russia. Many of those who are able to flee from persecutions will return to the immemorial Russian lands so as to fill up the abandoned villages, till the neglected fields and use the mineral resources that remain untapped. The Lord will send help, and, in spite of the fact that the country will have lost its main seams of raw materials, they will find the oil and gas without which a contemporary economy cannot work, in Russia.

The elder said that the Lord would permit the loss of huge territories given to Russia because we ourselves were not able to use them worthily, but only spoiled and polluted them. But the Lord will leave in Russia's possession those lands which became the cradle of the Russian people and were the base of the Great Russian state. This is the territory of the Great Muscovite Principality of the 16th century with outlets to the Black, Caspian and North seas. Russia will not be rich, but still she will be able to feed herself and force others to reckon with her.

To the question: What will happen to Ukraine and Belorussia? The elder replied that everything is in the hands of God. Those among those people who are against union with Russia even if they consider themselves to be believers will become servants of the devil. The Slavic peoples have one destiny, and the monastic Fathers of the Kiev Caves [Lavra] will yet utter their weighty word - they together with the choir of the new martyrs of Russia will by their prayers obtain a new Union of the three brother peoples. They posed one more question to him on the possibility of the restoration of a monarchy in Russia. The elder replied that this restoration must be earned. It exists as a possibility, but not as something predetermined. If we are worthy, the Russian people will elect a Tsar, but this will become possible before the very enthronement of the Antichrist or even after it for a very short time."

24. Blessed Pelagia of Ryazan (+1968):

"The bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church will fall away from the truth of the Orthodox Faith, they will not believe in the prophecies of the resurrection of Russia. To reprove them St. Seraphim of Sarov will be raised from the dead. He will reprove the clergy for their treachery and betrayal, and will preach repentance to the whole world. Seraphim of Sarov will explain the whole of history, will recount everything and will reprove the pastors like children, will show them how to cross themselves, and much else. After such wonderful miracles the clergy will have a devotion for the Lord, that is, it will teach the people to serve the batyushka-tsar with all their heart.

"The Antichrist will come to power and will begin to persecute Orthodoxy. And then the Lord will reveal His tsar in Russia. He will be of royal family and will be a strong defender of our faith. When the Lord will give this very intelligent person, life will be good. The Antichrist will declare himself from America. And the whole world will bow down to him except Tsarist Orthodox Russia.

PROPHECY OF Saint Lavrenty of Chernigov
FOR A SHORT WHILE

"The Russian people will repent of deadly sins: that they allowed Jewish impiety [to hold sway] in Russia; that they did not defend God's Anointed Tsar', the Orthodox churches and monasteries, and all that is holy and sacred in Russia. They despised piety and came to love demonic impiety. But there will be a spiritual upheaval! And Russia, together with all the Slavic nations and lands, will constitute a mighty Tsardom. She will be governed by an Orthodox Tsar', by God's Anointed One. Because of him, all schisms and heresies will vanish away in Russia. There will be no persecution of the Orthodox Church. The Lord will have mercy on Holy Rus' because the dreadful time preceding that of antichrist has already taken place in her. Even antichrist himself will fear the Russian Orthodox Tsar'-Samoderzhets [Tsar'-Autocrat].

"But all the other nations, save only Russia and the Slavic lands, will be ruled by antichrist and will undergo all the horrors and torments written of in Holy Scripture. In Russia, however, there will be rejoicing and a blossoming of faith - but only for a short while, for the Dread Judge will come to try both the living and the dead."

An Anonymous Prophet of Mount Athos (1053).
After describing the main events of the early 20th century with amazing accuracy, the prophet continues:

"New European War. Union of Orthodox Peoples with Germany. Submission of the French to the Germans. Rebellion of the Indians and their separation from the English. England for the Saxons only. Victory of the Orthodox, defeat of the Muslims. General slaughter of the Muslims and of the barbarians by the Orthodox peoples. Anxiety of the world. General hopelessness on the earth. Battle of seven states for Constantinople and slaughter for three days. Victory of the largest state over the six. Union of the six states against the seventh, Russia, and slaughter for three days. Cessation of the war by an Angel of Christ God, and handing over of the city to the Greeks. Submission of the Latins to the unerring faith of the Orthodox. Exaltation of the Orthodox faith from the East to the West. Cessation of the Roman papacy. Declaration of one patriarch for the whole of Europe for five or fifty years. In the seventh is no wretched man; no one is banished. Returning to the arms of Mother Church rejoicing. Thus shall it be. Thus shall it be. Amen."


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I am surprised they haven't claimed that Putin was on that sunken ship :cheesy:


You do realize that videos can be doctored and people lied in war ? remember that nurse from Kuwait ? there is a reason they say Truth is the first causality of war.





UAVs and satellites can be used to capture activity in a warzone on a regular basis in this age.

Communications can also be intercepted:


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People can be made to give false testimonies for narrative-building purpose but there is a limit to faking stuff.

Ukraine Massacres Civilians in Bucha Then Blames it on Russia - Video Explanation​

Spoiler - Graphic:

Bear in mind that USA is ruled by pathological liars:
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Anglos are called "Perfidious Albion" for a reason.

See above.

The footage in the link (BITCHUTE) is a compilation of 3 different clips.

Original clip in following link:


Details:

4. The victims were killed by Ukrainian neo-Nazis’

The Russian newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda reported that the victims found on Yablonska Street were “killed by nationalists from Serhii Korotkykh’s group” (Serhii “Botsman” Korotkykh is a Belarusian neo-Nazi, who fought in Ukraine’s far-right Azov Battalion and went on to become a Ukrainian police official). Korotkykh’s combat group, the newspaper claimed, entered Bucha after Russian troops had left the city and killed everyone it considered collaborators.

To prove the nationalists’ alleged guilt, pro-Kremlin journalists posted a video from the Telegram channel “Botsman” that shows members of his combat group walking around Bucha and discussing whether to shoot people without blue armbands (which Ukrainian soldiers wear to distinguish themselves).

It’s true that Korotkykh’s group was in Bucha after Russian troops left. Members of the group filmed the video on Vokzalna Street, where Russian military vehicles that were destroyed by Ukrainian artillery fire in early March are still standing. The area where the bodies lay on Yablonska Street is less than 500 meters (547 yards) away.

However, Sergey Korotkykh himself told Meduza that the video was filmed on April 2, when Ukrainian police officers and journalists had already entered the city. To prove the claim, Korotkykh sent the video’s metadata, including a timestamp: 1:47 p.m. on April 2. Recall that the first video showing the victims’ bodies appeared on the evening of April 1 and was filmed earlier that day.

Korotkykh himself didn’t go to Bucha, he told Meduza; the video was taken by two of his subordinates, who were just passing through the town. “We don’t know Bucha very well; we went in at the very end,” said Korotkykh. “Most of our work was in Irpin.”


None of the group saw any of the fighting in Bucha, one of Korotkykh’s subordinates from the video told Meduza. In addition to the video they posted on Telegram, the two men also took some footage of the bodies on Yablonska Street, but ultimately decided not to post it. “I didn’t count the number of dead people, but there were really a lot of them. I didn’t have a notepad to count them all. There were dead people, burnt equipment, ruins! I don’t know how to explain it to you. It was like a nightmare — like something from the movie ‘Purgatory.’ Have you seen it?” said one of the men.

In any case, all of the available evidence indicates that by the time the nationalists entered the city, the civilians had already been killed.


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- People lie when it suits them.
- Organizations (and governments) lie when it suits them.

But there are ways to debunk lies and uncover truth.

People also have conscious and will spill the beans at some point.


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UAVs and satellites can be used to capture activity in a warzone on a regular basis in this age.

Communications can also be intercepted:


- - -

People can be made to give false testimonies for narrative-building purpose but there is a limit to faking stuff.



See above.

The footage in the link (BITCHUTE) is a compilation of 3 different clips.

Original clip in following link:


Details:

4. The victims were killed by Ukrainian neo-Nazis’

The Russian newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda reported that the victims found on Yablonska Street were “killed by nationalists from Serhii Korotkykh’s group” (Serhii “Botsman” Korotkykh is a Belarusian neo-Nazi, who fought in Ukraine’s far-right Azov Battalion and went on to become a Ukrainian police official). Korotkykh’s combat group, the newspaper claimed, entered Bucha after Russian troops had left the city and killed everyone it considered collaborators.

To prove the nationalists’ alleged guilt, pro-Kremlin journalists posted a video from the Telegram channel “Botsman” that shows members of his combat group walking around Bucha and discussing whether to shoot people without blue armbands (which Ukrainian soldiers wear to distinguish themselves).

It’s true that Korotkykh’s group was in Bucha after Russian troops left. Members of the group filmed the video on Vokzalna Street, where Russian military vehicles that were destroyed by Ukrainian artillery fire in early March are still standing. The area where the bodies lay on Yablonska Street is less than 500 meters (547 yards) away.

However, Sergey Korotkykh himself told Meduza that the video was filmed on April 2, when Ukrainian police officers and journalists had already entered the city. To prove the claim, Korotkykh sent the video’s metadata, including a timestamp: 1:47 p.m. on April 2. Recall that the first video showing the victims’ bodies appeared on the evening of April 1 and was filmed earlier that day.

Korotkykh himself didn’t go to Bucha, he told Meduza; the video was taken by two of his subordinates, who were just passing through the town. “We don’t know Bucha very well; we went in at the very end,” said Korotkykh. “Most of our work was in Irpin.”


None of the group saw any of the fighting in Bucha, one of Korotkykh’s subordinates from the video told Meduza. In addition to the video they posted on Telegram, the two men also took some footage of the bodies on Yablonska Street, but ultimately decided not to post it. “I didn’t count the number of dead people, but there were really a lot of them. I didn’t have a notepad to count them all. There were dead people, burnt equipment, ruins! I don’t know how to explain it to you. It was like a nightmare — like something from the movie ‘Purgatory.’ Have you seen it?” said one of the men.

In any case, all of the available evidence indicates that by the time the nationalists entered the city, the civilians had already been killed.


Related


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- People lie when it suits them.
- Organizations (and governments) lie when it suits them.

But there are ways to debunk lies and uncover truth.

People also have conscious and will spill the beans at some point.



Western Media and sources have lied so much, I would take any of their claims with a mountain of salt. There is no doubt there would have been civilian deaths and executions but right now in the mist of war I will not trust the any sources from west as they are running a massive propaganda campaign against the Russia and trying to present them as " Ultimate Evil " just like they did with Saddam, Gaddafi and many other countries in past.
 

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Western Media and sources have lied so much, I would take any of their claims with a mountain of salt. There is no doubt there would have been civilian deaths and executions but right now in the mist of war I will not trust the any sources from west as they are running a massive propaganda campaign against the Russia and trying to present them as " Ultimate Evil " just like they did with Saddam, Gaddafi and many other countries in past.

I have presented good evidence of Russian atrocities in Bucha in my previous response. Technologies such as UAVs and Satellites have disclosed the obvious. Denying evidence is immoral.

For perspective: Why do you think Pakistani judiciary is a joke and the corrupt continue to call the shots in Pakistan? Because incriminating evidence(s) have limited value in courts. Money and political influence count on the other hand.

Your post gives the impression of denial for the sake of it. I am not sure about what sources you have been checking out in person or about your company but it would be naïve to assume that Russians do not lie. They have every reason to in view of what they are doing in Ukraine. Russian is the oppressive party in this matter.

Western Media and Sources get lot of things right as well. How can you make a living in USA if everything around you is a lie?

I would appreciate sensible responses. Thanks.
 

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I have presented good evidence of Russian atrocities in Bucha in my previous response. Technologies such as UAVs and Satellites have disclosed the obvious. Denying evidence is immoral.
As I said, They have lied in past using the same technologies, Pictures/videos and even deep fakes are a real thing unless you are living in a cave for last decade. I gave you example of that Kuwaiti Nurse who lied against Iraqi soldiers, then there was lie about Iraq's WMD's they use the same satellite UAV and other data and manipulate it so why I should believe them? Once you lie and get caught your credibility is low, even in Hadeeth a single weak narrator or liar would undermine the authenticity of a whole Hadeeth. If Denying evidence is immoral then believing in Lies despite knowing the sources have a history of lying is also immoral. Plus you nor western Media outlets are no authority over what Morality is, at least not to me.

For perspective: Why do you think Pakistani judiciary is a joke and the corrupt continue to call the shots in Pakistan? Because incriminating evidence(s) have limited value in courts. Money and political influence count on the other hand.
And video evidences and personal testimonies are also off least value in many courts, your point is ?
Your post gives the impression of denial for the sake of it. I am not sure about what sources you have been checking out in person or about your company but it would be naïve to assume that Russians do not lie. They have every reason to in view of what they are doing in Ukraine. Russian is the oppressive party in this matter.
I said in my previous post, Russians surely have killed innocent civilians and this is what happen in War, you think USA didn't killed Innocent civilians? UK ? China ? India ? Pakistan? I am not questioning the death of civilians I am questioning the sources which are primarily western which are right now on full Propaganda swing.
Western Media and Sources get lot of things right as well. How can you make a living in USA if everything around you is a lie?
Not everything is lie, that's a very weak and ridiculous argument. I live in America but I am not bound to believe the American narrative on anything or everything, I can reject American narrative on everything and yet I will still be American, that is the difference between people with open mindedness and close mindedness.
 

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Back on topic,the entire True Cross was once taken by the Persians. If I remember correctly it was Emperor Heraclius who took it back.
 

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As I said, They have lied in past using the same technologies, Pictures/videos and even deep fakes are a real thing unless you are living in a cave for last decade. I gave you example of that Kuwaiti Nurse who lied against Iraqi soldiers, then there was lie about Iraq's WMD's they use the same satellite UAV and other data and manipulate it so why I should believe them? Once you lie and get caught your credibility is low, even in Hadeeth a single weak narrator or liar would undermine the authenticity of a whole Hadeeth. If Denying evidence is immoral then believing in Lies despite knowing the sources have a history of lying is also immoral. Plus you nor western Media outlets are no authority over what Morality is, at least not to me.


And video evidences and personal testimonies are also off least value in many courts, your point is ?

I said in my previous post, Russians surely have killed innocent civilians and this is what happen in War, you think USA didn't killed Innocent civilians? UK ? China ? India ? Pakistan? I am not questioning the death of civilians I am questioning the sources which are primarily western which are right now on full Propaganda swing.

Not everything is lie, that's a very weak and ridiculous argument. I live in America but I am not bound to believe the American narrative on anything or everything, I can reject American narrative on everything and yet I will still be American, that is the difference between people with open mindedness and close mindedness.

Can you prove that Russians did not kill civilians in Bucha? UAV footage and Satellite Imagery of Russian atrocities in Bucha are deep fakes? Bucha residents are lying as well?

Your denial is immoral and your counterargument is faulty. Let me set things straight for you.

The Nayirah testimony

Nayirah al-Ṣabaḥ was pushed by her father (then Kuwaiti ambassador to USA) to give False Testimony about Iraqi atrocities in a Kuwaiti hospital in front of the United States Congressional Human Rights Caucus to convince American Public to support decision of Bush administration to liberate Kuwait.

American reporter John Martin (ABC News) investigated and refuted the Nayirah testimony in March 1991. Amnesty International followed suit and found Bush administration guilty of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement."

Western Media and sources set the record straight.

Iraq and WMDs

Actual claim:

"In 1995, after several years of deceit by the Iraqi regime, the head of Iraq's military industries defected. It was then that the regime was forced to admit that it had produced more than 30,000 liters of anthrax and other deadly biological agents. The inspectors, however, concluded that Iraq had likely produced two to four times that amount. This is a massive stockpile of biological weapons that has never been accounted for, and capable of killing millions.

We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas. Saddam Hussein also has experience in using chemical weapons. He has ordered chemical attacks on Iran, and on more than forty villages in his own country. These actions killed or injured at least 20,000 people, more than six times the number of people who died in the attacks of September the 11th.

And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons. Every chemical and biological weapon that Iraq has or makes is a direct violation of the truce that ended the Persian Gulf War in 1991. Yet, Saddam Hussein has chosen to build and keep these weapons despite international sanctions, U.N. demands, and isolation from the civilized world."
- George W. Bush (POTUS)

CIA Director George Tenet did not dismiss Iraqi WMD projects but downplayed their scale in 2004.

Hidden caches of Iraqi chemical weapons were found after the invasion:

"A New York Times investigation by C.J. Chivers revealed that the dismantlement of Iraq’s CW program was not as clear-cut as originally thought. The investigation revealed that approximately 5,000 chemical warheads, shells, or aviation bombs were recovered following the 2003 Iraq war. [15] Although all of these munitions were produced before 1991, they did pose serious hazards; at least 17 American soldiers and seven Iraqi police officers were exposed to CW agents. [16] A subsequent investigation by Chivers and Eric Schmitt revealed a major CIA-run effort, Operation Avarice, to purchase old chemical weapons that were on the Iraqi black market. The program purchased and destroyed over 400 Borak rockets, many of which contained sarin. [17]"


Western Media and sources set the record straight again.

And video evidences and personal testimonies are also off least value in many courts, your point is ?

My point is to respect "evidence."

I gave you the analogy of why Pakistani judiciary is a joke. I clearly stated that incriminating evidence(s) have limited value in courts; money and political influence count on the other hand. This is why corrupt politicians are seldom prosecuted by Pakistani courts.

I said in my previous post, Russians surely have killed innocent civilians and this is what happen in War, you think USA didn't killed Innocent civilians? UK ? China ? India ? Pakistan? I am not questioning the death of civilians I am questioning the sources which are primarily western which are right now on full Propaganda swing.

Not everything is lie, that's a very weak and ridiculous argument. I live in America but I am not bound to believe the American narrative on anything or everything, I can reject American narrative on everything and yet I will still be American, that is the difference between people with open mindedness and close mindedness.

See above.

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Did you even bother to check sources and their contents that I shared with you in my post # 35?

Meduza = Latvian source (this source hired Russian professionals for its works)

The shared article presents visual evidence (UAV footage) of Russian atrocities in Bucha.

New York Times = American source

The shared article presents visual evidence (Satellite Imagery) of Russian atrocities in Bucha.

Daily Mail = British source

The shared article provides general information about war crimes of Russian soldiers in Ukraine.

Aljazeera = Qatari source

The shared article presents visual evidence (Photography) of Russian atrocities in Bucha.

Multiple lines of evidence from different sources.

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You showed absolute lack of open-mindedness in your responses in this thread.
 

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There is no real cross. Jesus (PBUH) was not crucified, he was taken to the heavens by the angels. He will return to earth before the end of times to fight the Christian cross worshippers.
 

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Russians didn't do Bucha, Brits framed them up.

Remember the casualties that Russians tolerated during their retreat from northern Ukraine. Why did it happen, was because of avoiding civilian casualties by Russians. Russians should have bombed every damn inch of the retreated area but they didn't and eventuallly lost tens of men and military hardwares. Their columns were located in civilian areas hence the hard retreat.


Brits the habitual liars, told similar lie in case of Syria and the white helmets a branch of Al-Qaeda that became the main source of British propaganda against SAA, Syria and Iran.
Good joke.
 

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The same way America justifies Nazi'ism when they vote in the United Nations Security Council against the abolition of Nazi speech. Also the same way the West (britain, america, denmark and poland) justify sending their citizens as mercenaries to fight alongside Ukrainian-Nazi battalions in Mariupul.

It is because of Charlemagne that today the continent of Europe doesn't have Masajid (Muslim place of worship), on the corner of every city block. Your words expose your lack of historical studies and analysis, as well as a rookie level intellect.

Spoken like a true Westerner, as the arrogance just oozes from your kind.

I got two words for you .... Illah his Sultaan ... nothing works without the authority of Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah.



There is ZERO proof that Russians were responsible for Bucha. It is the same as America claiming that Iraq had WMD.

Bucha doesn't fly coz it has no wings. Try again!

Spare me your iranian bullshit. Your words are as meaningless as your thoughts.

I too have two words for you. Burger King.

Apollon will one day talk about not caring for refugees dying and will ask the West to annihilate Russia and the next day will blame Charlemagne of being a mass murderer and monster. Then he will go on about the Western civilization and freedom and democracy and will say he does not care about Christianity,but will post a thread like this...

And you? Support putlers murderous war and because of what? For the imaginary illussion to get some rotten empire.
 

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I don't know what your problem is and you don't understand others easily,but I have repeatedly told you that it's not about Putin,but Russia coming back as Holy Rus at some point.

There's no support for "Putinism",I've repeatedly told you that I don't know who and when will restore Russia to its former glory. Will it be the foretold Saintly King? The one the Russians call the "Last Orthodox Tsar"? Will it be someone else before him? I don't know. But what we do know,as has been foretold by Saints and Elders is that after the fall of communism,at some point:

6. Monk Abel the Prophet (+1831).
In a conversation with Tsar Paul I (+1801), after prophesying the destinies of all the Tsars from Paul I to Nicholas II:

"What is impossible for man is possible for God. God delays with His help, but it is said that He will give it soon and will raise the horn of Russian salvation. And there will arise a great prince from your race in exile, who stands for the sons of his people. He will be a chosen one of God, and on his head will be blessing. He will be the only one comprehensible to all, the very heart of Russia will sense him. His appearance will be sovereign and radiant, and nobody will say: 'The Tsar is here or there', but all will say: 'That’s him'. The will of the people will submit to the mercy of God, and he himself will confirm his calling. His name has occurred three times in Russian history. Two of the same name have already been on the throne, but not on the Tsar's throne. But he will sit on the Tsar's throne as the third. In him will be the salvation and happiness of the Russian realm."

"Russian hopes will be realized upon [the cathedral of Hagia] Sophia in Tsargrad [Constantinople]; the Orthodox Cross will gleam again; Holy Rus will be filled with the smoke of incense and prayer, and will blossom like a heavenly lily."

7. St. Seraphim of Sarov (+1833):

"Everything that bears the label of 'Decembrists', 'Reformers' and, in a word, belongs to 'the party for the betterment of life' is genuine anti-Christianity, which, in evolving, will bring about the destruction of Christianity and, in part, of Orthodoxy, upon the earth; and which finally will end with the enthronement of the Antichrist over all the nations of the world, except Russia. She will come together into a single united body with the other Slavic nations and comprise a huge ocean 'one mighty realm, fearsome to the foes of Christ' before which all the other tribes of the earth will quail in fear. And this is as sure as 2+2=4."


12. St. John of Kronstadt (+1908):

"I foresee the restoration of a powerful Russia, still stronger and mightier than before. On the bones of these martyrs, remember, as on a strong foundation, will the new Russia we built - according to the old model; strong in her faith in Christ God and in the Holy Trinity! And there will be, in accordance with the covenant of the holy Prince Vladimir, a single Church! Russian people have ceased to understand what Rus is: it is the footstool of the Lord's Throne! The Russian person must understand this and thank God that he is Russian."

14. Martyr-Eldress Duniushka of Siberia (+1918):

"Russia will be supreme in the world. Her name will be 'Holy Rus'. All sects and religions will pour into Orthodoxy . But Orthodoxy, and -- essentially speaking -- religion, will draw closer to what it was in Apostolic times. . . . In those centuries to come, there will no longer be any tsars or kings. In 'Holy Rus' a Prince will reign, who will come from the nation that gave us our religion [i.e., Byzantium]. He will be a supremely spiritual person, who will provide the opportunity for uplifting the moral fibre and the spiritual principles of the nation.

"In the course of one of those centuries, Asia will bestir herself; she will try to penetrate into Europe, but her attempts will be futile. No one will ever overcome 'Holy Rus', and only through her will salvation come to the world."

16. Elder Anatolius (Potapov) of Optina (+1922):

"There will be a storm. And the Russian ship will be destroyed. Yes, it will happen, but, you know, people can be saved on splinters and wreckage. Not all, not all will perish..." But he also prophesied that canonical unity would be restored: "A great miracle of God will be revealed. And all the splinters and wreckage will, by the will of God and His might, be gathered together and united, and the ship will be recreated in its beauty and will go along the path foreordained for it by God. That's how it will be, a miracle manifest to all..."

18. Elder Nectarius of Optina (+1928):

"Russia will arise, and materially she will not be wealthy. But in spirit she will be wealthy, and in Optina there will yet be seven luminaries, seven pillars."

21. Archbishop Theophan of Poltava (+1940):

"The coming of the Antichrist draws nigh and is very near. But before the coming of the Antichrist Russia must yet be restored - to be sure, for a short time. And in Russia there must be a Tsar forechosen by the Lord Himself. He will be a man of burning faith, great mind and iron will. This much has been revealed about him....

"He will not be a Romanov, but he will be of the Romanovs according to the maternal line."

"I do not speak from myself. But that which I have heard from the God-inspired elders, that I have passed on... The Lord will have mercy on Russia for the sake of the small remnant of true believers. In Russia, the elders said, in accordance with the will of the people, the Monarchy, Autocratic power, will be re-established. The Lord has forechosen the future Tsar. He will be a man of fiery faith, having the mind of a genius and a will of iron. First of all he will introduce order in the Orthodox Church, removing all the untrue, heretical and lukewarm hierarchs. And many, very many - with few exceptions, all - will be deposed, and new, true, unshakeable hierarchs will take their place. He will be of the family of the Romanovs according to the female line. Russia will be a powerful state, but only for 'a short time'... And then the Antichrist will come into the world, with all the horrors of the end as described in the Apocalypse."

22. Hieroschemamonk Seraphim (Vyritsky) of Moscow (+1942):

"When the East will get stronger, everything will become shaky. Numbers are on their side. But not only that: they have sober workers and industrious people, while there is such drunkenness with us. There will come a time when Russia will be torn into pieces. At first they will divide it, and then they will begin to steal its wealth. The West will do everything to help the destruction of Russia and for a time will give its eastern part to China. The Far East will fall into the hands of Japan, and Siberia - to the Chinese, who will begin to move into Russia, marry Russian women and in the end by cunning and craftiness will seize the territory of Siberia as far as the Urals. But when China will want to go further, the West will resist and will not allow it. The East will be baptised in Russia. The whole heavenly world, together with those on earth, understand this, and pray for the enlightenment of the East."

23. Elder Theodosius (Kashin) of Minvody (+1948), shortly after the outbreak of war with Germany in 1941:

"Do you really think that that was the war (1941-45)?! The war is still to come. It will begin from the east. And then from all sides, like locusts, the enemies will spread over Russia... That will be the war!"

The elder said that the collapse of Russia, in spite of her apparent strength and the cruelty of the authorities, would take place very quickly. At first the Slavic peoples will be split off, then the Union republics will fall away: the Baltic, Central Asia and Caucasian republics and Moldavia. After this central power in Russia will weaken still more, so that autonomous republics and regions will begin to separate themselves. Then a great collapse will take place: the power of the Centre will cease to be recognized de facto by the autonomous regions, which will try to live independently and will no longer pay any attention to orders from Moscow. The greatest tragedy will be the seizure of Siberia by China. This will not take place through military means: in consequence of the weakening of the authorities and the open frontiers, masses of Chinese will move into Siberia, will snap up property, enterprises and flats. By means of bribery, intimidation and agreements with the authorities, they will gradually take control of the economic life of the towns. Everything will take place in such a way that one morning the Russians living in Siberia will wake up in a Chinese state. The destiny of those who remain there will be tragic, but not hopeless.

The West will assist this creeping conquest of our land and in every way support the military and economic might of China out of hatred for Russia. But then they will see the danger for themselves, and when the Chinese try to conquer the Urals, this time by military might, and go even further, they will by all means hinder this and will even be able to help Russia in deflecting the invasion from the East. Russia must stand her ground in this battle; after sufferings and complete impoverishment she will find in herself the strength to recover. And the coming regeneration will begin in the lands conquered by the enemies, in the midst of Russians left in the former republics of the Union. There Russian people will realise what they have lost, will recognise themselves to be citizens of that Fatherland which is still alive, and will want to help her rise from the ashes. Many Russians living abroad will begin to help the re-establishment of life in Russia. Many of those who are able to flee from persecutions will return to the immemorial Russian lands so as to fill up the abandoned villages, till the neglected fields and use the mineral resources that remain untapped. The Lord will send help, and, in spite of the fact that the country will have lost its main seams of raw materials, they will find the oil and gas without which a contemporary economy cannot work, in Russia.

The elder said that the Lord would permit the loss of huge territories given to Russia because we ourselves were not able to use them worthily, but only spoiled and polluted them. But the Lord will leave in Russia's possession those lands which became the cradle of the Russian people and were the base of the Great Russian state. This is the territory of the Great Muscovite Principality of the 16th century with outlets to the Black, Caspian and North seas. Russia will not be rich, but still she will be able to feed herself and force others to reckon with her.

To the question: What will happen to Ukraine and Belorussia? The elder replied that everything is in the hands of God. Those among those people who are against union with Russia even if they consider themselves to be believers will become servants of the devil. The Slavic peoples have one destiny, and the monastic Fathers of the Kiev Caves [Lavra] will yet utter their weighty word - they together with the choir of the new martyrs of Russia will by their prayers obtain a new Union of the three brother peoples. They posed one more question to him on the possibility of the restoration of a monarchy in Russia. The elder replied that this restoration must be earned. It exists as a possibility, but not as something predetermined. If we are worthy, the Russian people will elect a Tsar, but this will become possible before the very enthronement of the Antichrist or even after it for a very short time."

24. Blessed Pelagia of Ryazan (+1968):

"The bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church will fall away from the truth of the Orthodox Faith, they will not believe in the prophecies of the resurrection of Russia. To reprove them St. Seraphim of Sarov will be raised from the dead. He will reprove the clergy for their treachery and betrayal, and will preach repentance to the whole world. Seraphim of Sarov will explain the whole of history, will recount everything and will reprove the pastors like children, will show them how to cross themselves, and much else. After such wonderful miracles the clergy will have a devotion for the Lord, that is, it will teach the people to serve the batyushka-tsar with all their heart.

"The Antichrist will come to power and will begin to persecute Orthodoxy. And then the Lord will reveal His tsar in Russia. He will be of royal family and will be a strong defender of our faith. When the Lord will give this very intelligent person, life will be good. The Antichrist will declare himself from America. And the whole world will bow down to him except Tsarist Orthodox Russia.

PROPHECY OF Saint Lavrenty of Chernigov
FOR A SHORT WHILE

"The Russian people will repent of deadly sins: that they allowed Jewish impiety [to hold sway] in Russia; that they did not defend God's Anointed Tsar', the Orthodox churches and monasteries, and all that is holy and sacred in Russia. They despised piety and came to love demonic impiety. But there will be a spiritual upheaval! And Russia, together with all the Slavic nations and lands, will constitute a mighty Tsardom. She will be governed by an Orthodox Tsar', by God's Anointed One. Because of him, all schisms and heresies will vanish away in Russia. There will be no persecution of the Orthodox Church. The Lord will have mercy on Holy Rus' because the dreadful time preceding that of antichrist has already taken place in her. Even antichrist himself will fear the Russian Orthodox Tsar'-Samoderzhets [Tsar'-Autocrat].

"But all the other nations, save only Russia and the Slavic lands, will be ruled by antichrist and will undergo all the horrors and torments written of in Holy Scripture. In Russia, however, there will be rejoicing and a blossoming of faith - but only for a short while, for the Dread Judge will come to try both the living and the dead."

An Anonymous Prophet of Mount Athos (1053).
After describing the main events of the early 20th century with amazing accuracy, the prophet continues:

"New European War. Union of Orthodox Peoples with Germany. Submission of the French to the Germans. Rebellion of the Indians and their separation from the English. England for the Saxons only. Victory of the Orthodox, defeat of the Muslims. General slaughter of the Muslims and of the barbarians by the Orthodox peoples. Anxiety of the world. General hopelessness on the earth. Battle of seven states for Constantinople and slaughter for three days. Victory of the largest state over the six. Union of the six states against the seventh, Russia, and slaughter for three days. Cessation of the war by an Angel of Christ God, and handing over of the city to the Greeks. Submission of the Latins to the unerring faith of the Orthodox. Exaltation of the Orthodox faith from the East to the West. Cessation of the Roman papacy. Declaration of one patriarch for the whole of Europe for five or fifty years. In the seventh is no wretched man; no one is banished. Returning to the arms of Mother Church rejoicing. Thus shall it be. Thus shall it be. Amen."


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You & sheikh Imran hosein would get along well :D
 

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