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Russian Su-30 fighter jets criticized by Belarus, they want F-16 :P

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  1. Pak-Canuck

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    https://defence-blog.com/news/russian-su-30-fighter-jets-criticized-by-belarus-they-want-f-16.html

    Russia has started implementing a contract on the delivery of a batch of its newest Su-30SM multirole fighter jets to Belarus, but some analysts raised concerns about costs over the entire life cycle of the aircraft, from fabrication to maintenance.

    The publication Lenta.ru reported Friday that a wide range of renowned experts has expressed their concerns regarding Belarus selected Russian-made combat aircraft to replace ageing Soviet-era MiG-29 fleet.

    Andrey Porotnikov, BelarusSecurityBlog’s project leader, said that operating and support costs of Russian aircraft are more expensive than U.S.-made F-16 fighter aircraft.

    Usually, the combat aircraft life-cycle cost for an estimated life of 35 years is 2-2.5 times its purchase price, as a result of which the total cost of maintenance of each Belarus’s Su-30SM will cost $100-125 million.

    “And now, to sum up, the price of aircraft [about $ 50 million], the maintain of airworthiness and modernization. We get the amount from 185 to 210 million dollars for each (!) aircraft in the next 35 years. And the squadron [12 aircraft], respectively, from 2.22 billion to 2.52 billion dollars. The amount is not small, ”- Andrey Porotnikov stated.

    Another disadvantage of the fighter manufactured in Russia is its AL-31FP engines, which six units “eat” during the Su-30SM life cycle (two of them are already installed and paid for at the time of purchase). This circumstance in the publication is explained by the fact that “Soviet (Russian) aircraft engines are traditionally inferior to Western ones not only in fuel efficiency but also in between-repairs and operating life cycles.”

    “The Polish Air Force simultaneously operates the Soviet twin-engine fighter MiG-29 and the American single-engine F-16. It is assumed that the American fighter will fly off all 35 years with the same engine that was originally installed on it. Unfortunately, this does not work out with the MiG-29: eight engines will have to be replaced in the same period, ” explained analyst.

    According to TASS, the Su-30SM is a generation 4++ serial-produced and upgraded two-seat super-maneuverable fighter jet. The Su-30SM is furnished with two AL-31FP thrust-vectoring reheated double-flow turbofan engines. The fighter has an operating range of 1,500 km and flight endurance of 3.5 hours without refueling.
     
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    Jf-17 has also a russian engine !
     
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    Its a good machine with pros and cons like any other machine out there.
     
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    No, it a Chinese clone RD-93 engine called WS-13 which life cycle and lifespan is much higher. Most importantly, it overhaul either by Chinese or PAC which significantly reduce maintenance cost.
     
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    Whole JF-17 is the continuation of russian Mig 33.
     
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    Awesome!!! :enjoy:
     
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    No we still using RD-93 sir, as per various senior and professional members here, and PAF quite satisfied with RD-93's performance, sorry to disappoint you sir
     
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    Every one knows PAF F-16s made shot work of Su-30s.... except ENDians.....
     
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    No almost all of the engines being used on our JFs are rd93. However there fleet few WS13 being tested on earlier versions of block 1 aircrafts currently. Hopefully in a few years, there are high chances that we will shift over two ws13 or another new Chinese engine.
     
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    Do not mix up WS-13 with WS-19... They are different type of engine. WS-19 are new gen engine with TVC and more than 10000kg of thrust with afterburner. WS-13 is a engine similar in class to RD-93 that enter service almost 10 years ago in Chinese military.

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2017-10-27/chinese-fighter-developments-revealed

    The chief engineer of WS-19 is a female and she was awarded for successful completion of this project.
    https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2019-04-17/doc-ihvhiewr6611870.shtml
     
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    WS19. Hmmm, hadn’t head of that one sir. Is WS19 around the same dimensions as WS13? Because I heard somewhere we cannot fit a bigger engine considering the size of JFs engine tunnel.
     
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    WS-19 is new gen engine to replace WS-13, of cos the dimension is similar. Do read up more info for J-31 as the engine is intend for this 5th gen fighter. It interchangeable engine between JF-17 and J-31 engine.
     
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  13. The Accountant

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    Agreed. But RD93 is more reliable then AL#!FP (however, lesser in power). Plus single engine v/s dual engine. Plus, RD93 is a compromise in terms of life as it was a restriction free platform.