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Russian Foreign Ministry: West Jerusalem is the capital of Israel

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    Foreign Ministry statement regarding Palestinian-Israeli settlement

    Moscow is deeply concerned about the situation in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Palestine and Israel have not held political negotiations for nearly three years, and the situation on the ground has been deteriorating.

    The stalling of the Middle East peace process has created conditions for unilateral moves that undermine the potential for an internationally accepted solution to the Palestinian problem, under which two states – Israel and Palestine – could live in peace and security with each other and with their neighbours.

    Moscow reaffirms its support for the two-state solution as an optimal option that meets the national interests of the Palestinian and Israeli people, both of whom have friendly relations with Russia, and the interests of all other countries in the region and the international community as a whole.

    We reaffirm our commitment to the UN-approved principles for a Palestinian-Israeli settlement, which include the status of East Jerusalem as the capital of the future Palestinian state. At the same time, we must state that in this context we view West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    The concrete parameters of a solution for the entire range of issues regarding the status of Palestinian territories, including Jerusalem, should be coordinated at the direct talks between the parties involved. Using its opportunities as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, a co-sponsor of the peace process and an active member of the Middle East Quartet of international intermediaries, Russia will continue to provide assistance to the achievement of Israeli-Palestinian agreements. We will focus on ensuring free access to Jerusalem’s holy places for all believers.


    http://www.mid.ru/ru/press_service/...r&_101_INSTANCE_t2GCdmD8RNIr_languageId=en_GB
     
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    You do realise you're posting something that is against what the US and Israel has advocated right? Israel seeks the entirety of Jerusalem is its capital. Btw Russia had declared this even before the US.
     
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    @undertakerwwefan what now? You were advertising Russian weapons yesterday saying Russians will never consider Jerusalem as capital of Israel.
     
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    The Russians are slowly getting there.

    Of course they need to know their history that Jews out-numbered Arabs in all of Jerusalem until the Jordanian army came in and ethnically cleansed thousands of Jews in 1948 from their homes in the so-called "East Jerusalem".

    Basically the Arabs removed the Jewish inhabitants and then claimed it as their own. Fast forward a few decades and the Arab narrative backed by an Oil lobby, control of the UN and a Europe always keen to shaft the Jews, recognise it as being 'Arab' and have conveniently forgotten the Jews forcibly removed from East Jerusalem.

    Here are pictures of Jordanian troops kicking out the Jewish natives of East Jerusalem.

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    Trump did not say anything about entire Jerusalem. In fact Jerusalem borders are a subjective thing. Abou Dis which is NOT considered part of Jerusalem and is under Palestinian control is located only 2 km from Al Aqsa Mosque. While Atarot Jerusalem neighborhood is 9 km from Al Aqsa Mosque.
     
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    Arabs have outnumbered any other community in Jerusalem for over 1000 years until the recent occupation

    They have defended Jerusalem, protected it against all enemies from Crusaders to Mongols

    Whilst jews were living it up in Europe and having fun times with the Europeans

    Peace process hinges on eastern Jerusalem being Palestinian capital
     
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    Wrong otherwise there would be no problem. Israel wants all of Jerusalem which includes the east as its 'undivided capital'. At least know what you're trying to present an argument for please.
     
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    Palestinians have been offered 'east Jerusalem' as their capital - this is a fact and President Clinton has said that was the offer on the table when he was President.
     
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    Until Al Aqsa is protected and out of jewish hands how can they or any muslim accept
     
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    This is inaccurate he proposed that whilst Israel would get Jerusalem - except the East - which should be split on ethnic lines. How is that giving the Palestinians East Jerusalem as the capital?
     
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    You don't need some foreigner to tell you that your ancient city now is your capital
     
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    Al Aqsa is under Jordanian control. Not sure what that has to do with a Pakistani in Bradford though.
     
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    Even prior 1967 when Israel controlled only West Jerusalem, it was not recognized as capital of Israel.

    There is nothing about undivided Jerusalem in Trump's speech, yet it still caused major bumhurt.
     
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    Russia generally pursues sort of a balance type of policy in its terms. When takes one step in Syria very positive to us then expect another neutral or even pro israel-Usa step even with no economic benefits. This can be because Russia wants to keep its relations with Europe stable showing a neutral identity instead of pro-muslim countries image even having similar economic relations with us. So it needs to be analysed in its own terms different from Usa.

    There should be no economic reactions or whatsoever if Russia follows Usa in this issue. Generally muslim countries act emotionally reacting to things instead of proactively change ourselves and around. That is because we generally wait for things from outside to happen and when we dont like the results we react to them with sadness or anger instead of changing ourselves-resistance-proactive action-from inside to happen. So for example Iran getting angry about such possible Russian decision and taking even symbolic action would be counterproductive for Syria and region.

    Having said that by Russia I dont mean Putin or any other individual. One can ofcourse trust or doubt his policies and take position without alienating Russia as a country. Balance policy works but its center needs to be reinforced and visible to carry building trust. Also Russia should be seen as a challanger to Usa especially when nato expands to her doorstep and not a follower of Usa decisions sort of imitating Usa if the benefits dont weigh as much. The returns would be higher in that case with more trust. Most of the time he makes positive decisions but ofcourse he has mistakes like sending away trouble maker terror suspects outside borders by possible motivation from Usa which was a follower decision not a challanger one. So although victorious in conflicts and has popular support he should still be careful to win 2018 elections.
     
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    So you think he just made this claim for a Jerusalem capital without the east? Who are you trying to fool?
     
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