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  1. Pakistani shaheens

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    Russian Navy visit furthers warming ties with Pakistan

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    KARACHI, Apr 25 (NNI): Pakistan-Russia relations are witnessing a historic warming, and the visit of two Russian Navy ships is further proof of the close relationship.

    This was said by The Consul General of the Russian Federation Mr. Oleg N. Avdeev, who hosted a reception to celebrate the successful completion of Sochi Olympics games and in honor of the visiting Russian Navy delegation at Friendship House.

    Mr Avdeev said after a gap of 49 years Russian naval ships called at Karachi port. They were the big anti-submarine ship Marshal Shaposhnikov and the rescue tug-ship Alatau.

    The Russian ships docked in Karachi after joint exercises in Indonesian territorial waters which involved the naval fleets of 16 countries. He greeted the detachment chief Rear Admiral Vladimir Dmitriev, and the officers and sailors and said their visit is a manifestation of the growing goodwill between the peoples of Russia and Pakistan.

    The Russian diplomat said the visit’s response in Karachi is so encouraging that the practise of mutual calls should continue but with much shorter intervals. He added that with rapid changes in world geopolitics, the Indian Ocean is getting more and more importance.

    Avdeev concluded his brief address by saying the visit augurs well for the future of Russia Pakistan bilateral relations which have great scope for expansion in various spheres

    The Commanding officer of Russian navy Commander Scegey Vasiliev, said that during the stay in Karachi, Pak and Russian navy will have joint exercise and play sports also.

    He further said that Karachi is beautiful City we are enjoying here and received warm welcome by Pakistan Navy and people of City. He said Pak nay is one of the most experienced Navy in the World. NNI
     
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    ISLAMABAD: Commander-in-Chief, Russian Federation Naval Forces, Admiral Viktor V. Chirkov, has arrived here on a four days first ever historic official visit to Pakistan on the invitation of Chief of the Naval Staff.
    Upon arrival at Naval Headquarters, the Russian Commander-in-Chief was received by Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Mohammad Asif Sandila.

    A smartly turned out contingent of Pakistan Navy clad in ceremonial dress, presented him the Guard of Honour.

    The visiting dignitary was introduced to Principal Staff Officers at Naval Headquarters.

    Later, Admiral Chirkov, called on Chief of the Naval Staff and had detailed discussion on professional matters with his counterpart.

    Various avenues of cooperation including conduct of bilateral Naval Exercises were also discussed in detail.

    A comprehensive brief on Pakistan Navy's Role in Regional Maritime Security Situation and Operational developments in the Indian Ocean was also given to the visiting dignitary.

    During the visit, the Admiral is scheduled to call on Defence Minister, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC), Chief of Air Staff (CAS) in addition to Naval Field Commands at Karachi.

    Admiral Chirkov is a graduate of Higher Naval School, Vladivostok, Russian Naval Academy and Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russian Federation.

    Besides holding the appointment as Commander-in-Chief of Russian Navy, he has had the privilege to serve on coveted appointments including Chief of Staff/First Deputy Commander of the Troops and Forces of North East Flotilla, Commander Pacific Fleet, Chief of Staff/First Deputy Commander and then Commander of the Baltic Fleet.

    Admiral Chirkov is also the recipient of various awards including Order of Service to the Homeland in the Russian Armed Forces, Order of Military Merit and Order of Naval Merit.

    This visit is expected to greatly augment the bilateral cooperation between both the Navies.

    Russian Federal Naval Forces Chief arrives on first ever official visit

    Good to see that our policy is tilting towards north and away from west.
     
  3. waz

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    Dear Admiral Viktor V. Chirkov, welcome.
     
  4. nomi007

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    hope Russian's ships will also visit Pakistan in near future
     
  5. Cyberian

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    I don't know, ever since Pakistan handed over the management of Gwadar Port to China in February 2013, Russia has decided to sell helicopters to Pakistan, application for full membership of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) has been actioned by Pakistan and now this Navy Admiral arrives in Pakistan for the very first time.

    I can only assume as Cold War 2.0 is being ignited, Pakistan is being shifted out of the Western Hemisphere and into the Eastern group. There appears to be lack of discussion and some sort of silence prevailing regarding this within Pakistan.
     
  6. Neptune

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    No no no..Russian naval training and leadership is equal to 3rd World countries in African Coast. No need for Pakistani Navy to bother her time with Russian Navy.
     
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    The SC ELITE MEMBER

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    This is what Pakistan can try to get with ToT:

    Piranhas coming back

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    Piranha-T SSW can attack targets at shallow depths.

    Former Chief of Operations of the Russian Navy General Staff Vice Admiral Victor Patrushev has recently offered an opinion that diesel-electric midget submarines (SSW) are the best choice for defending Russia’s national interests in the Baltic, the Black and the Caspian seas. «Such midget submarine fleets could operate off the Kurils or anywhere else where it is necessary to ensure security with the help of small but efficient means during the threat period.»

    Alexander MOZGOVOY

    What submarines was the admiral talking about? And why did the former Chief of Operations, who is perfectly aware of the environment in the Russian territorial waters, advocate such submarines?

    The Admiralty Shipyards built two Project 865 Piranha special-purpose midget submarines (SSW) (Losos class under the NATO classification) developed by the St. Petersburg-based MalaТhite Marine Engineering Bureau for the Soviet Navy in the late 1980s. These subs boasting a full submerged displacement of 319 t and a crew of three turned out to be extremely efficient. They featured low physical fields, good maneuverability, considerable diving depths (200 m), and easy handling. The subs were armed with two torpedoes and mines in containers and were capable of carrying up to six frogmen. Unfortunately, these submarines were not in demand in the post-Soviet Russia, which plunged into economic and political turmoil. At first they were mothballed and later on scrapped (in 1999).

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    Project 865 Piranha SSW



    However, Malachite designers have kept on working on midget submarines and developed a whole range of small-size subs with a displacement of 130 to 1,000 t.

    While boasting small dimensions, SSWs can carry various weapons including torpedoes and mines, while larger subs, such as P-550s, P-650s and P-750s, can be armed with Club-S or BRAHMOS submarine-launched «submarine-to-ship» and «submarine-to-surface» cruise missiles. In other words, under certain circumstances they can perform strategic missions. State-of-the-art electronics enable SSWs to promptly detect targets and attack the enemy well in advance. Low noise and electromagnetic levels ensure their extraordinary stealth.

    The high maneuverability is provided by the low-noise steerable shrouded propeller and the backup propulsion plant comprising two outboard steering columns, which enable the subs to literally spin on the same spot.

    Another crucial feature, inherent in midget submarines, consists in their highly automated battle management and operation. It is not just a random capability. Malachite is the world leader in integrated automation of submarines. SSWs are manned by combat crews of only four to nine people who operate in quite comfortable conditions. In addition to the organic crew, a midget submarine can carry up to six fully equipped frogmen.

    Piranha-family SSWs can be equipped with Air-Independent Propulsion (AIP) fuel cell modules that significantly boost their submerged range. This system deserves a special mention. It was for Piranha-family submarines that the St. Petersburg-based Special Boiler Design Bureau developed the 130-kW Kristall-20 AIP fuel cell power plant in the late 1980s. The Kristall-20 AIP power plant, incorporating electrochemical generators, produces energy from hydrogen and oxygen. The efficiency factor of an AIP system with electrochemical generators amounts to 70-75 percent. Following extensive tests the Kristall-20 AIP system was fielded by the Russian Defense Ministry in 1991. However, the USSR broke up soon afterwards and neither innovative power plants nor submarines powered by such systems turned out to be in demand.

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    P-550 SSW



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    P-550 SSW fitted with the AIP fuel cell module turns into P-650E SSW.



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    P-750 SSW is armed with cruise missile launchers.



    Meanwhile, according to experts from the Krylov Central Research Institute, submarines fitted with electrochemical generators possess a 450-percent greater submerged endurance than ordinary diesel-electric subs. AIP-equipped submarines are even superior to nuclear-powered subs in littoral areas as far as their cost-efficiency ratio is concerned. The latter fact is of paramount significance since modern naval strategies envision deployment of submarines in friendly or hostile offshore areas rather than in ocean lanes.

    However, let’s get back to midget submarines developed by the Malachite Marine Engineering Bureau. They are primarily designed to operate in littoral areas, shallow waters, and off islands. However, they also boast quite good diving capabilities with their submergence depths ranging from 200 to 300 m. Their operational range varies from 2,000 to 3,000 nautical miles, and their endurance totals 20 to 30 days. For instance, the largest Piranha-family submarine, designated P-750, features the following basic specifications: a normal displacement of 960 t (1,060 t with the AIP fuel cell module), a length of 66.8 m (70.4 m), a hull diameter of 6.4 m, a full submerged speed of 17 knots, an operational range of 3,000 nautical miles, a submerged range of 280 (1,200) nautical miles, a diving depth of 300 m, an endurance of 30 days, and a crew of nine men plus six frogmen.

    The P-750’s armament is of special interest. The sub is fitted with four 533mm torpedo tubes, which can launch both torpedoes and cruise missiles. The torpedo tubes cannot be reloaded at sea, but they are always ready for immediate single or salvo fire. The SSW is also armed with eight 400mm torpedo tubes firing ASW torpedoes. The P-750 is capable of carrying up to 24 seabed mines in outboard mine containers. Finally, the submarine can be equipped with up to four vertical launchers with cruise missiles, including Club-S 3M-14E missiles, designed to hit coast-based targets out to a range of up to 300 km. In other words, such subs can both repulse attacks from the sea and deliver strikes against the enemy territory. On the whole, the armament of the P-750 is superior to that of many larger submarines, which can hardly be included in the subcategory of «small-size» subs. For instance, the WWII-vintage Shchuka class Series III medium submarine had a submerged displacement of 705 t, a maximum diving depth of 90 m, a submerged speed of 2.8 knots, and a weapon load of ten torpedoes and a 45mm gun.

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    P-750 SSW



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    Andrasta coastal submarine for littoral operations



    «These submarines (SSWs – editor’s note) can enter service with the Baltic Fleet, the Black Sea Fleet, and the Caspian Flotilla in the next two or three years. Four to six midget submarines of this kind can completely cut off such closed or semi-closed water areas as the Black, the Baltic, and the Caspian seas. Indeed, SSWs can discharge a wide range of tasks. They can covertly escort nuclear-powered submarines to their combat patrol areas and carry out reconnaissance missions in the Pacific Ocean and the Barents Sea. Such subs are virtually indispensable for setting up ASW defenses in littoral areas,» Vice Admiral Victor Patrushev emphasized.

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    Russian SSWs are superior to similar foreign rivals. The French DCNS shipbuilder displayed a model of the advanced Andrasta coastal submarine for littoral operations, named after the Celtic goddess of war whose name means victorious or invincible, at the Euronaval 2008 international naval show. The sub has a surface displacement of 855 t, a length of 49 m, a submerged speed of over 15 knots, a maximum diving depth of 200 m, an operational range of about 3,000 nautical miles, and a crew of 19 men. It is armed with torpedoes, antiship missiles, and mines. The project did not impress participants in the show. Actually, the project proper is not new. It is a slightly revised version of the SMX-23 submarine demonstrated at Euronaval 2006, which also failed to generate the interest of potential customers. As far as its characteristics and combat capabilities are concerned, the Andrasta submarine is considerably inferior to Malachite’s SSWs.

    Russian midget submarines, on the contrary, attract attention of various navies from the Middle East and Southeast Asia. This trend was pointed out by head of Rosoboronexport’s Navy Department Oleg Azizov in an interview with National Defense. And it is quite justified. Russian submarines feature a great striking power and a low noise level, and are easy to operate. Last but not least, they are relatively cheap, which is an important factor given the global financial crunch.

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    P-550 SSW

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  8. waz

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    Spot on. I don't think there are any such plans in the pipeline.

    We work with China and soon Turkey, when the TF-2000 program takes off. We don't need anyone else.
     
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    Its a courtesy call, thank you.
     
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    Sorry if it was offensive for you.

    China is currently the best partner for Pakistan in all warfare aspects ;)
     
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    Turkey is doing well, why not Turkey?
     
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    Just pointing out what this visit really is. Pakistan is trying to end its alliance with the US, simply because someone has to be stupid to invade us now. We no longer need the US backing for defense and all things related to it. Our new policy is to look towards C.Asia, Turkey, Russia, Iran, GCC and China.

    @waz

    We don't have nor will have the money needed for TF-2000s. We should rather produce these enhanced frigates in strong numbers.

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    When things improve i would rather initiate an indigenous project with the help of China, Korea or Turkey. Pakistan has all the expertise it needs to build a sophisticated ocean going warship.
     
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    Well..as pointed out many times Unlike the country's land and aerial systems, Turkish naval platforms are very expensive even when compared to Europe. Also we are not 100% independent at defence yet..at least for 8-9 years, current ongoing projects will contain European/US parts either way so.

    A good strategy following the new global balance. We should invest more in R&D.

    BTW the ship more looks like the copycat of Lockheed's Global Combat Ship solution to world navies.
     
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